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[Mike]

Dude don't get to excited about Arod. He's not going to be 100% until the off season when he gets it all fixed correctly. He basically just put a bandaid on a torn labrum and is hoping it makes it through the season.

[05AccordV6]

he had surgery, LOL.

[Mike]

Right but, he did not have the surgury that he needs. The one he had is just a temporary solution(Like Schilling having tendons stitched together). My god do your home work I know more about your players than you do. He needs to have another procedure done in the off season, and alot of doctors and such don't think he will be near 100%, and that he may not be able to finish the season on what they did.

[Mike]

Anyone catch the game last night??? Rolo, kevin?

[Abailey4]

How bout them Caps!!? Ovechkin and Crosby are goin at it like hell. Both ended up with hat tricks but the Caps are up 2-0. Finally a Washington team to be proud of besides DC United! LOL!!!

[Mike]

It's a good matchup and very fun to watch.

[05AccordV6]

Retracted

[Mike]

Okay I'll be nice to.

[05AccordV6]

I gather you prepared this a while ago.  LOL, listen every single WS Championship is tainted at this point, its just funny cause Sox fans want to be all arrogant about it.  And if you DON'T think Ortiz was jusicing, your just turning a blind eye, the last three years his production has declined rapidly, he is hurt every 2-3 monthes, all classic signs of PED Users.  He's back to being the scrub he was in Minnesota.  You think pedro wasn't using, they all were.

[05AccordV6]

Also I don't know who or where you get your info from, but Scottt Brosius wasn't and isn't on one list, David Justice Yes, Brosius, no.

[05AccordV6]

ont he other your correct, but you need to erase Brosius from all those lists until I see one concrete piece of evidence.

[Mike]

He's on the list I read... Your team is the King of tainted!!! Any way lets forget the past and talk about this year.

[Mike]

BTW, I'd like to add that he tested positive this year. Nothing has come out about the past.

[05AccordV6]

BTW, I'd like to add that he tested positive this year. Nothing has come out about the past.

True, but by him saying "I've taken and passed over 15 Drug Tests the past five seasons", its a bit strange/suspect that he feels the need to mention that, no need to provide that info unless your trying to protect your past accomplishments.  

IDK Bro I'm as big an baseball nut as you but to me, it seems almost every player has done something underhanded or suspect at this point.  Which leads me to my next point and I want your honest opinion:

Since it seems the bulk of great/mediocre players were on the stuff, does that even out the playing field, we keep hearing about all these hitters with blown up stats, but what of the countless pitchers using.  Doesn't that sort of even it all out?  I kind of feel that way at times.

In addition, I think there are quite a few players on both the Yankees/Red Sox who were definitley NOT using over the last ten years:  Unfortunately, as much as i HATE this guy I think Schilling, as big headed and egotistical as he is, was playing the game clean (that hurt to type), as I also feel about guys Like Johnny Damon (both Sox and Yankees years), Derek Lowe, and more recent players like Kevin Youkilis, Dustin Pedroia, Ellsbury, Lowell, Jason Bay, etc, I believe are all clean and just that good, especially as frequently as they get tested these days.  On the Yankees end: Derek Jeter is way, way too high profile, and has way to much respect for the game as a whole, way too much to risk it + too many people would love to tarnish him if they could, so I'm as close to 100% sure as I can be that he didn't juice.  Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Bernie Williams, Paul O'Neill, Scott Brosius and Tino Martinez are the only other guys from alllll those teams from 96 on that I truly believe/am confident didn't touch the stuff, everyone else probably did/was confirmed they did.  Including almost all of our pitching staff (Except Mike Mussina and David Cone).  

I hope to god I am right, but I think Pujols is all natural, he has stayed the same weight, build and condition throughout his whole career, every seasons numbers are pretty much the sazme across the board, Ichiro Suzuki is another amazing player I think is clear on this conversation, as I feel about young studs like Evan Longoria, David Wright, Jose Reyes, and so forth.

[Mike]

I actually disagree with you. I wouldn't be surprised at anyone at this point. There were plenty of guys that were not big that took stuff. The league as a whole is suspect now, and the good players(Non Users) are the ones who get punished for it becasuse they are the only ones that care about there reputations, and the reputation of the game.