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I just merged close to 20 different threads on fog lights.  The majority of them were the same topic, how to wire them up properly or to get them to turn on in a different fashion other than intended by the manufacturer.  There is no reason for that to happen.  At this point, if you create a new thread about fog lights instead of posting in here, you will be immediately banned for one week.  Any fog light related post will now be in this thread only.

OP
I'm searching through the forums of Torontoaccords.com and i came across this topic:
http://torontoaccords.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=57046 (http://torontoaccords.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=57046)

Is it possible?

Yeah, it's definitely possible.  Do you just  want the fog lights to always come on when your car is on, or do you still want to have a switch to turn them on and off?

he still wants to have the switch

Ohhh, so you're asking for another guy on your local forum?  It's really easy to use it with the switch.  So they don't want them as DRL's, but they want them to turn on with the switch.  DRL's are always on when the engine is running, but shut off when the headlights are turned on.  You don't have any sort of switch though.  I'll draw up a wiring diagram when I have time.  It will involve modifying the harness though.  Hopefully the guy is comfortable with that.

I poked through the thread on Toronto Accord's and from reading it I dont think this guy will be comfortable with modifying the harness.

I re-read through the thread again and didn't get that impression.  I did see that lilmalu just copied and pasted my post though.  Hahaha.

Anyway, it's a simple modification.  I just joined up over there so I could post an answer.  I'll also post here too.

Basically, the OEM fog light wiring harness is set up so your fog lights can only be turned on when your headlights are on, and will not turn on when you have your parking lights on or your high beams on.  You can either wire it up under the hood or in your dash.  I would suggest wiring it under your dash because it's an easier space to work in, but I'll list both methods.

Under The Dash
With this connection you basically just wire up the switch to bypass the "disable" relay that engergizes when you turn on your high beams.

• Cut the blue wire on the switch in the dash from the harness plug end (not the switch plug end).
• In the ignition harness found in the steering column, connect the blue wire to either:
  
  • the Ignition wire (black/yellow) for it to provide power when the car is in run *recommended connection
  • the Accessory wire (black/red) for it to provide power when the car is in run or starting
• Make sure to solder and heat shrink (or use electrical tape) all connections
• Test

Under The Hood
With this connection you basically just wire up the harness to bypass the "disable" relay that engergizes when you turn on your high beams.

• Do not connect the white/green or red/green wires to the fuse box in step 15
• Find the relay plug in the harness that has these four wires:
  
  • white/green
  • red/green
  • blue
  • black
• Cut the blue wire from the relay plug
• Find the black/red wire in the underhood fuse box (fuse # 18)
• Connect the blue wire to the black/red wire
• Make sure to solder and heat shrink (or use electrical tape) all connections
• Test

Should've told you that I copied your words Tim, my bad.

I read through it again Tim, and your correct he does seem to have enough knowlege.

I was just busting your chops man.


I can't really comment on the knowledge part.  It seems that he's okay with cutting wires and modifying stuff though.  He sent me an e-mail, but I'm not sure he understood what I originally explained.

im that guy! i have dont my own diys. just to list a few... installed my own fog kit with hids, blacked out my own headlights, and installed oem front lip. im not that bad.

i just want to make sure i have a full understanding. i think i got it!!!!

u connect the blue wire from the switch harness to the yellow/black with in the steering column so that when i turn on my car they will automatically turn on but yet i can still turn them off with the switch? and whenever i high beam it would nt disable my fogs. if this is right than thats amazing. i dont like to use my high beams cuz i dont want to be switching my hids on my fogs on and off. and do i also get to keep my drl fuse out for my headlights? and lastly will this set up work with my fog hids?

once again thanks timot for all your help and registering me
fab

Don't worry, electrical isn't most people's thing.  I just like 12 volt electronics and happen to know more than the average enthusiast.

Just to be perfectly clear, the blue wire you run to the yellow/black wire in your ignition harness is connected to the switch, not the harness.

Please don't take my comment as an insult I just wanted to make sure that you completely understood what Tim was saying, and didn't have an issue cutting into your wiring. Didn't mean to question you it's just my opinion that if your not comfortable with this type of mod then you should probably steer clear because it has the ability to cause major problems. Good luck and welcome to ECM!!!

eh mike no worries i was just kidding around. i find this forum very usefull and friendly.

hey tim what do u mean? the blue wire comes from my fog harness. right? and then the yellow/black wire, is in the steering column and its hooked up to a switch. what switch? i kno i sound dumb but just want a full understanding

thien also check out my reply on the oem shifter

Okay, I'll try to be a little more clear in my explanation.  I know this stuff can get a bit confusing.  Your fog lights came with two harnesses.  A fog light harness that you install in your engine compartment, and a switch harness that you install in your dash (steps 44-54 in the Honda installation guide).  The blue wire that you cut, will be in the switch harness that is installed in the dash.  You will find the blue wire connected to the plug that connects to the switch.  You cut that wire and basically connect the wire coming from the switch to the yellow/black wire.


The yellow black wire is in the steering column and is part of your ignition harness.  It is connected to the keyswitch (ignition switch).

Hope that helps.  If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

the blue wire is from my fog switch. pop of steering column cover and attach to yellow black wire... correct?

Pretty much.

ok i one more thing. when will they come on? any time my engine is running? yet i can turn on or off with the switch? can i run hid with this set up?

Yes, from my understanding that's what you wanted.  When your car is on, you and the switch is closed, your fog lights will be on.  As far as your HID's are concerned, you may want to find out what the current draw of your HID kit is.  I wouldn't recommend using ballasts that draw more than 20 amps of current.  Anything more than that and you should use a relay.

wait... i think i got it. ur disabling the switch because the switch only works with the headlights on!!!... but by making my ignition the switch, every time i turn my key to start the car, the key acts as the switch for my fogs. thus now making the ignition the switch.
so i wont need the regular switch that came with the harness. thats what i meant by "will my switch work". i meant the foglight harness switch

I want to use my foglight harness switch still. i dont know why i just want to have the option. With this connection to the igniton switch i will have to turn off my car to turn off the fog lights too. one thing that i like about my car is.... in the winter if im parked for a few minutes i can keep the car on to stay warm, and when i turn off my headlights my DRLs dont come on because i removed DRL fuse. so you cant even tell that the car is on.

maybe im being to picky. but i dont want drls coming from my headlights. i want them coming from my fog lights (even if i have to remove my hid kit) AND i would still like to turn them on or off using the switch that was given in the first place.

Under The Dash
hooking it up to the accessory wire. this connection works with my park lights? what do u mean by "run or starting"?

Under The Hood

with this connection i bypass the relay, so that even if i have no parking lights or headlights on... If i hit the switch my fogs come on...?  thats exactly what i want!!!.

"Run" is when your car is running, "Start" is when you're starting your car.  Most cars will shut off all accessory components when you're starting your car because it takes a lot of current to start your motor.  It basically shuts off every electrical component except for your ECU, fuel pump, injectors, coil packs, and starter.

Under the hood

with this connection i bypass the relay, so that even if i have no parking lights or headlights on...I can still turn them on? and can I still use the stock switch?

Okay man.  I edited your posts so they're not so redundant.  You don't know me that well, and I don't know you that well either.  Since you don't know me that well I'll let you know right now, I don't fuck around and I try to be direct and to the point.  My responses can be harsh and abrasive, and have no problem with telling you the truth without candy coating it.  Some people think I'm an asshole because of it, but I don't care.  I try to take things at face value and avoid assuming that when people ask for advice, they're actually looking for validation.  This is nothing against you, but it's how I respond to people that keep asking me the same question over and over again.

I'll simplify it for you as much as I can.  Your original request was to have your fog lights on when your engine is running, with the option of turning them off with the OEM switch.  I gave you two options for wiring to get your fog lights to turn on when your car was running and still made your fog light switch fully functional.  I gave very detailed instructions of how to connect the existing wires, which wires to not connect, how to modify your existing harness, and where to find other wires needed.  

If I was not clear enough, I apologize.  I just feel that I have been answering the same question over and over again.

If you want, I can do this modification to my fog lights and take pictures of everything that needs to be modified.  I will probably end up doing this in the spring when the weather is nicer.

it seems that on order to run the fogs whenever i want with the oem switch. i just have to connect the blue wire (that wires up to the switch) to any 12v application.... is this correct?

has anyone used yellow tint spray to tint their fog lenses?

As long as it's 12 volts while your car is running, they will work.

I dont know about spray but myself and other people have used the lamin-x vinyl overlays which prevent any fog light cracking due to pebbles jumping up.They come in a variety of colors. The only problem with the overlays is if you use your fogs a lot over time they will melt or bubble over time. We rarely use ours so they're perfectly fine.

You may want to consider using tint film because that's removable.  I haven't really had good luck with that stuff though.  I'd just get a set of fog housings that are already yellow

From past expirence tint spray is a nightmare. I've never used yellow specificly but, I'd steer clear of this stuff.

that fuse box under the dash board on the drivers side, is there anything thats 12v there? i just dont want to tamper with my ignition harness... i heard another 12v application would be the radio but thats hard to get to. plus anytime my radio would be on with the car off my fogs would be on and i would always have to turn them off.

i agree with u guys totally. thats why i asked first. i have hids on the fogs and i have a feeling that with the film, it might melt, bubble or even get a "burn" mark after so many hours of extreme heat from the hids. and with the tint spray im afraid of discoloration of the lense or even getting run marks on the lenses. i would much rather go with the jdm yellow lenses but there hard to come by for our models (especially the lenses by them selves) andd especially in canada...

Unfortunatly I'll have to say ebay.

My experience was with some of the clear 3M film, and it basically melted when my fog lights were on with aftermarket halogen bulbs.  When the film melted, if I was driving at night in the summer time, mosquitos and bugs would get stuck into the melted film and then burn and turn brown.  Mike's suggestion of eBay is really your only option.  I would buy the cheapest eBay kit that you can find that has glass lenses.  Plastic lenses will melt.  I've done it one already.

I posted this for a reason man.  Accord Wiring Guide (http://elitecm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=139)



Sure, you could wire it to your radio harness if you really want to.  I think you're complicating things by trying to figure out when your fog lights will be on.  I'm going to simplify it for you.  If you follow my instructions, you can turn your fog lights on when your car is in "run".  They will not work when your car is off.  It's just that simple.  If you really want to tap a wire from your fuse box, have at it.  I can't guarantee the results though.

I thought yellow lens foglights was an option from factory for our coupes. Hmmm

I just read that you have HID's in the fog light housings....damn.  I was going to suggest yellow bulbs because it looks really good with a clear lens.  What color temperature are the bulbs? Would you consider stepping down to 3000k if you found them? 3000k are yellow/amber in comparison to the 4000+k bulbs.

i already have the 3000k hidswith clear lense. im not too happy with the yellow tho. they re like more of a white-ish yellow. i would much prefer an ion yellow set up. like the older lexuses.

One of our squad members has yellow fogs that look real good. I'm not sure which route he went though. You can PM and see what he's got- Marioemd.

I know ebay got fog lights that come in yellow lens already. I'm not sure how it would look with the 3000K HID kit. The bulbs that came with the fogs were regular white H11's, but when turned on they gave a nice bright yellow look to me so maybe brighter yellow when paired up with the 3000K.

2003-2005 Sedan:
http://www.handa-accessories.com/accord/03-4drfogs.pdf (http://www.handa-accessories.com/accord/03-4drfogs.pdf)

2003-2005 Coupe
http://www.handa-accessories.com/accord ... glight.pdf (http://www.handa-accessories.com/accord/03-2drfoglight.pdf)

2006-2007 Sedan
http://www.handa-accessories.com/accord ... hts4dr.pdf (http://www.handa-accessories.com/accord/06-accord-foglights4dr.pdf)

2006-2007 Coupe
http://www.handa-accessories.com/accord ... hts2dr.pdf (http://www.handa-accessories.com/accord/06-accord-foglights2dr.pdf)

thanks Johnnyboy!

I couldnt find it on here.  So I waswondering if we could get it transfered to here, or someone could tell me what wire it is that you cut and which wire you splice it too.  BTW im talking about the mod so you can run the fogs without the headlights on

There are a couple of methods.  You can wire them so your fog lights turn on with your parking lights, and so they turn on independently of your parking lights and headlights.  What do you want to do?

I guess when the i turn the parking lights on, I didnt even know there were two different ways.  but since I have HIDs in my fogs do recommend one over the other since they would flash when unlock and lock the car.  Or is there no way around it

Well, you could turn your fog lights off when you get out of your car.  Then they won't flash when you lock and unlock your car.  You could also wire them independently so they turn on and off only with the fog light switch when your car is running, regardless of your parking lights and headlights being on and off.

Read this thread:

Fogs as DRL (http://elitecm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=211)

i have mine wired to parking lights. i just have to remember to press them OFF when i get out to arm my car otherwise they flash. i think driving with just the fogs on might look weird but to each his own

That sounds easy enough.  But I thought on the old DIY someone did they cut the blue wire and then spiced to another wire in the harness instead of splicing it to a wire on the ignition.  Also would this make a difference being that I dont DRLs?

I dont plan on driving at night with just my fogs on because yes it would look a little weird, its more just a parking lot thing or like sunset and sunrise

you wire it to i think the red with black stripe wire (parking light wire) if i remember correctly. maybe try looking for the DIY on v6p?

Rich is correct.  To have your fog lights turn on with your parking lights, on the switch harness in your dash, you would splice the blue wire into the red/black wire.  If you did that, you wouldn't have to connect the red/green and white/green wires in your under hood relay/fuse box.  If you wanted your fog lights to turn on independent of your parking lights, but only when your car is running, you would have to connect the blue wire in the switch harness to the Ignition wire (black/yellow), Accessory wire (black/red), or 2nd Accessory wire (white/red).  I haven't put a meter to the Accessory or 2nd Accessory, so I'm not sure how those act, but I do know that the Ignition wire is hot when your car is running.

I'll post up a DIY next weekend and test the accessory wire for verification

Don't worry man.  It looks like I will be doing a fog light install on Ben's coupe this weekend.  I'll make sure to test all of the wires to let you know how it acts.  Most likely, it will be hot in position I (acc) and II (run).

sounds good. I guess I'll just wire mine up to the ignition harness like I originally planned. Thanks for all the info in this thread Tim

thanks, that pretty much sums up my questions

If I drop the bumper and look behind will there be an indication on where to drill? Like so kind of puncture?

So the last time I bought fogs on ebay, they came in with wrong wiring harness, brackets, and no screws (basically just the lamps....)...

i know the ebay stuff is hit and miss, so i was wondering if anyone here had purchased some ebay fogs that came with all the correct stuff, and if so, if you can give me the sellers name


Thanks,
Sam

well to piggy back on this thread, id like to get just the lamps. So if you know anyone like that, or have them please let me know

Here is the thread over at v6p with pictures if you still have any doubts:

http://v6performance.net/forums/showthread.php?t=97617 (http://v6performance.net/forums/showthread.php?t=97617)

No.  That's why the instructions come with a template of where you need to cut out.

I can go back to some of the older sellers I purchased fog lights from on eBay.  As far as the harness goes, I would just get an OEM harness from the dealership.  I installed Ben's harness a few days ago and it was just a big guessing game since none of the wires matched the OEM wiring diagram.  That made it really hard to modify.

fuk yeah mouhfauckaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa sat inmstall day duuuudejm1111!!!!!

Just a feeler thread... if these fogs could be retrofitted into the 03-05 sedan front bumper, do you think they'd look good?  They're actually Depos, made for the Honda Civic.

(http://depoautolights.com/images/20080812123.jpg)

Product link:

http://depoautolights.com/honda-civic-lights-depo-p-1875.html?osCsid=d2df9287b40dfe15004dfc5d9225b67a

They kinda look like the MDX fogs that I have.

go for it and i think it will look good

Go for it. They look nice.

looks great i would go for it

Yeh they look good, but it's a question of all the wiring working, and if the fogs would even fit right.  Now I'm torn between the Inspire-style ones and this shape.  Damn.

yea the inspires are nice, i think Rolo would tell you to go with the inspires. For the sake of saving you a headache i would say go with the inspires.

How are the inspires going to save him a headache?

Time for some dremelization

Arent the inspires for the accord? If its not a direct fit then i retract my statement about the headache. But i still think you should get the inspires cause they look cool  

Inspire fog lights are not a direct fit.  They will not fit without modification.  Not sure if you guys knew, but the ASEAN Accord and Japanese Inspire bumpers are not the same as the USDM Accords.

As far as having a headache with the install, the only issue would be how they fit.  The wiring should be OEM wiring for the USDM Accord.  Even if it takes a different kind of bulb, the wiring harness can be modified for different bulbs.  Kinda like how I modified my fog light wiring harness for my MDX fogs since they take 9006 bulbs.

lol, they are, but for the Asian Accord bumper.  They won't fit without a headache.

They do look really nice though.  I wonder they'd fit an coupe bumper without much hassle...

Sorry I missed this earlier, but I should probably comment.  To be completely honest, the harness may or may not work.  Considering that it is a harness made for a JDM (my assumption from the website you were looking at) Civic, I would take a wild guess that you will not be able to use that harness as plug and play.

I guess its not a good seller, but maybe it will help everyone stay away from this one.

Matt (rocket starter) and i got the same fogs. horrid. seller was imotorsport.
horrible fitment ( expected) no fuse, wiring harnesses were disgusting. and you need four mounting bolts on each fog light. i got two total and so did matt. EPIC negative feedback. lol.

Well, they're not responsible for selling you a shitty product.  If they sold you the fog lights and the sale was fine, they shouldn't be blamed for a shitty product.  If anything, blame the manufacturer.  In my experience, the manufacturers suck ass.  Their harnesses don't match OEM, so you play fucking guessing games with the goddamn wires that you have to connect under the hood.

I think they would look good. Let us know how that works out..

i think i bought from the same seller in the past...i looked at the brackets and harness and compared to the OEM install manual...they were completely different so I messaged him back and said I wanted refund or I'll dispute, so I sent it back and got a refund

i'm going to see about getting the asean fogs (from the other thread)...if not, i'll be hitting you up for those sellers Tim.

You could be right.

57 steps for coupe. Thank god my vents are removable.

-JT

I could be wrong too.

Doubtful, lol.  It's just nuts how there'd be over $100 in extra oem parts to purchase for fogs like this.  I guess it'd be fog light harness, fog light switch harness, switch, and a relay (or maybe even 2).

What does everyone think of the OEM-style smoked fog lights?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FOG-LIGH ... dZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FOG-LIGHTS-SMOKED-KIT-06-07-HONDA-ACCORD-2D-2DR-COUPE_W0QQitemZ120385888714QQcmdZViewItem)


I already have the OEM kit and would just be replacing the actual housing. I want the smoked lenses to go with my silver and black theme. I'm getting my foglight covers colormatched and i think they'd look cool being black surrounded by silver.

Any word on the quality of these housings? Obviously they're ebay so they're not as good as OEM but I think if i used the nightshades tint spray on the oem lenses it probably would melt.

not a fan of those steve but i do like the fogs in the OP

I like the blacked out fogs.  They'd probably look sick as hell on Rich's car since it's all murdered out.

Ok. Basically I am not satisfied with the options provided by the Honda fog lights when installed correctly, and I don't like the typical DIY parking light mod, so I'm going to modify an OEM harness so that it is set up to run with the parking lights with the use of HID fog lights in mind. With this harness installed the fog lights will do the following:

- Turn ON and OFF with OEM switch
- Turn OFF when parking lights are not on
- Will NOT flash with parking lights when car is OFF


--I'll be using a relay that receives its main power only when the key is in the ACC position (or ON).
--The secondary power will be from the parking lights. This will make sure the fog lights only turn on when the car is on and the parking lights are on.
--The 'device' power will provide power to the fog lights, and will be switched so that I can turn the fog lights on and off with the OEM switch.
--The fourth relay connection is the ground of course.

The typical wiring of the switch in the dash will cause your fog lights to flash when you lock your car if you leave the switch on.
The goal of this harness is to eliminate the flashing even if the switch is left on.


I'll be talking through this with Tim and will post any updates and pictures as I create the harness. If anyone is interested after I am done I can make one for you but I will do a DIY too.

id need to modify mine too couse i sometimes forget to turn it off and then they come on when i open or close the car

mine run off battery with signal wire for relay taped into parking light wire
so i just need another relay

That's a good idea that isn't too hard to pull off.  Basically what you would do is wire the relay like this:

87   - 12 volts ACC wire (hot in run) - can be wired to the black/red Accessory wire or white/red 2nd Accessory wire found in your ignition harness
87a - not used
86   - 12 volts parking light wire - can be wired to fog light harness (details coming soon) or to the red/black wire coming from the large white plug above your fuse box
85   - ground - can be wired to ground on the fog light harness or to the chassis
30   - 12 volts fog light switch - blue wire in fog light switch harness

or like this to reduce wires:

87   - 12 volts to ACC wire (hot in run) - can be wired to the black/red Accessory wire or white/red 2nd Accessory wire found in your ignition harness
87a - not used
86   - 12 volts jumped to terminal 87
85   - ground parking light wire - red/black wire  headlight switch in steering column
30   - 12 volts fog light switch  - blue wire in fog light switch harness

I'm also looking at an option of rewiring your engine harnes so that you can reuse all the wiring with the engine harness.  I will have a wiring diagram in a few days.  I'm just too damn busy right now to be able to make something presentable and coherent.

looking forward to the outcome of this!

I'm thinking of using the OEM switch and the Hella Fog Light kit (if they are still available)....the wiring harness you guys are working on will help me connect the two LOL

Just use the OEM harness and you can convert it to whatever you need to power the bulbs in the hella kit if they're not H11's.

Ordered my set of OEM fogs today. I wish our cars were pre-wired like most top-of-the-line trim models for other makes like Nissan and Toyota. Oh well at least I have a fun project I suppose.

^it's really not that difficult of an install.. especially with an OEM kit. just don't forget the fuse.

I ended up chopping up pieces from the OEM harness and an E-bay harness to create my custom harness.

OEM Parts:

Fog Light Switch
Blue 6-pin Male connector
Gray 2-pin Male connector

eBay parts:

H11 Male connectors
30A 4-Pin Relay
Connector for Fog light Positive(+) from relay to H11 connectors


How I wired the switch (keep in mind I used an 06-07 kit but others should be similar)
Blue (ground)
Green (Positive when Fog Light Switch "ON")
Red/Black (Positive when Ignition switch "ON" - wired to Red/Black wire on Blue 6-pin connector)
Red (Positive when parking lights "ON")
There is another wire Red/Black wire looped to another pin. Leave it alone.

How I wired the Relay:
30 - To Green wire on Switch connector
87 - To Yellow/Black wire in Blue 6-Pin connector
86 - To Fog Light H11 Harness
85 - To Ground

Will try to post pics later on but unfortunately it's already installed. lol

interesting! if you guys have pics that would be awesome! (slowly upping my wiring game lol)

I'm gonna try this sometime, been too lazy lately with mods haha

Sounds like a great project be sure to post a diagram for the diy

dam philly you should come down here and help me with my fog harness when your done with this. or maybe i go to you....

I did finish this a while ago. I could do it again I just don't have actual pictures. Will make a diagram one day though. I swear.

I was thinking of removing the cylinder inside the fog lamp, the one around the bulb, to make it more clean, like the high beam. I was wondering if it will create a wider spectrum or the light just disappear in the road.

Any thoughts?

The beam won't focus properly and it'll just be a glaring nasty ball of light. That cylinder is to have the light reflect off the rear of the housing only. Try projecting an incandescent bulb's light similar to what you want to do and you'll see what it looks like, then make a "cap" for the same rig and compare.

Aftermarket fog lights don't come with that "cylinder".

Now that you mention that Tim, I remembered my fogs don't but the bulbs have that "cylinder" already on them ie. the tip coated. Guess I forgot about that.

All H11 bulbs have that little cap.

Pics taken during the day ~2pm. Nokya Hyper Yellows in fogs.

Stock on drivers side, Nokya on passengers side:

(http://i37.tinypic.com/35i7jmf.jpg)
(http://i35.tinypic.com/157iy5d.jpg)

Stock bulb:

(http://i38.tinypic.com/33vcbye.jpg)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/vxjj2t.jpg)

Nokya:

(http://i35.tinypic.com/20r4dp5.jpg)
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2hcqn9w.jpg)

And finally a blurry comparison between the two bulbs.

(http://i35.tinypic.com/255kfiu.jpg)

Usually people back up a little further from the wall when taking output pictures.

That was just inside my garage to give an indication of the color vs. stock.

It's cool.  You should take some other shots with both yellow fog light bulbs in.

i loved my nokya yellow bulb, and then i bought 2500K hids then i really fell in love

Where??? I would love to get some, but have not found a single place that has them anymore...

I have only seen 3000k HID bulbs myself.

I have seen that a company used to make them, I think it's the one that sponsors v6p... but they stopped producing them.

Seller is providing these images but states they are brand new in packaging. Going to ask for more pics. He's willing to let them go for $150 and he dropped his price for me pretty damn quick. Says all I need is the switch and switch harness.
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showt ... hp?t=37334 (http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=37334)

Hmmmm.  Interesting.  They seem like the real deal, but who's to say.

Yea, who knows. I want to see the boxes and matching things, although we all know those can be fabricated etc, but this doesn't seem to be worth enough to do such a thing.

Well, they seem to be Stanley housings, which are OEM.

Yea, he has pics of the boxes and all, but he says that they don't come with the wiring harnesses because they are different for USDM Accords. I should get these for $150 + cost of switch + switch harness + wiring harness? I don't know why it requires a switch and wiring harness but those are the things I'd think I need to get this to work.

If you don't have a wiring harness and a switch, you will only have the fog light housings without the light.  If you already have fog lights, then you don't need the harness and switch.  You'll only be swapping out the housings.

Nope, don't have foglights yet, these would be my first ones. I know this requires a lot of bumper cutting too, so I might get someone to help me if I do go through with this.

they look nice but trimming the bumper, i'm not such a fan. since you need everything, i will do OEM or ebay + oem parts. still your choice...

You still have to cut the bumper for the OEM fog lights.

Yea, trimming for these are a lot more because for OEM you just cut out the plastic and then the little "tabs" at each corner. For these you have to cut the back out in order for the housing to fit inside the bumper.

That depends on the year you have.  If you have an 03-05 sedan, you have to cut a hole in the bumper no matter what.  If you have reservations about cutting the bumper, then don't get these.

Nah, I have an 06. These basically leave the front of the bumper the same, just you have to cut out the backside of where the fogs go because the housings on these are about double the length of regular OEM. This guys now telling me it's missing more and more stuff though, doesn't seem too good if you ask me.

i bought them a while back on egay (been over a year) but it wouldnt surprise me if they were 3000K and they said 2500K. But they do seem like a different shade of yellow than others. Its a darker shade of yellow , rather than a whitish yellow

How do I get my foglights to stay on, while my low beams are off(preferably safely(As in not melting any wires and such))? I know that Philly Steve made his own harness, but he used another ebay harness which I currently do not posses. I know there was some way of doing it for the 7.0 gens, but the wires are different for the 7.5 gen.

Hope this helps. I am not sure if this is for the 7 or 7.5, if I had to guess I'd say 7, but I thought I would post it just in case it is applicable in both situations.

Thanks, but is this for an 03-05 or 06-07, b/c they are different.

ive done it to mine, let me take some photos and i will post it for you. may take me a few days to post but ill give you a detailed diy.

There's a DIY somewhere.. I thought it transferred here, but I believe its on V6p as well..

I don't know which one it is for. Maybe Tim will chime in since he wrote them.

ok, here is the thread with the info on how to get them working. i installed a switch between the two wires that you are supposed to splice together so i could turn off the fogs when my hibeams are in use.

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6873

The wiring should be the same, but I'd have to look at the wiring diagram for the 06-07's.  That link that David posted seems to have worked, but something seems a little fishy to me.  I'd prefer you not use a wire tap though, since they damage the wire, easily come loose, and could possibly cause a short resulting in a fire.  Give me time to look at the 06+ wiring diagram.

I say, find the blue wire in your engine harness for the fog lights, and ground that.  Ignore that thread on DA.  I don't trust it.

lol, i shall try that, just wondering though, what is the function of the blue wire and how does grounding it let it turn on without low beams being on.

How much time do you have?  Maybe you should hit me up on AIM so I can explain.

I actually followed the steps in the thread on DA.. It works, and I haven't had any issues with it..

What happens when you dim your gauge cluster?

ive had mine wired like that for almost two years with no problems, like i said before, i installed a switch between the two wires so i could manually revert back to the stock wiring.

That sounds like a pretty good idea too.  I think the safe bet, is to just cut that wire and ground both ends of it.  My concern is that it's connected to a variable resistor.  Nobody has answered my question yet.


That will be the true test of how well this mod works.

i was reading an old post about using an OEM harness for inspire fogs. I was reading the old thread and there was a post saying to buy parts 5,6,7,8,9 from this list: http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/aut ... GLIGHT+KIT (http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=ACCORD&catcgry2=2005&catcgry3=4DR+DX&catcgry4=KA5MT&catcgry5=FOGLIGHT+KIT" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

and went i went to majestic honda and searched up foglight parts for the 06 accord sedan (which is the accord model i have), the parts were different. i was thinking the parts would be numbers 5,6,7,8 on this list: http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/aut ... +%28+06%29 (http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=ACCORD&catcgry2=2006&catcgry3=4DR+EXL&catcgry4=KA5AT&catcgry5=FOGLIGHT+KIT+%28+06%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

NOTE: the links are 2 different model years, im pretty sure the first link is for 03-05 accords, and the second is 06-07. I'm probably going to buy the stuff from the 2nd link, but I just want to make sure with the experts here. would I need the parts from the first list or the second list. Sorry if this is confusing, if you ask a question, I'll try to clarify what I'm asking. Thanks for the help guys

That depends on what year your car is.  If you have an 03-05, then you get the parts from the first list.  If you have an 06-07, then you get the parts from the second list.  There isn't a huge difference between the two versions, except how fog lights are controlled in the engine bay.  Either way, get whatever is meant for the model year of your car.

alrighty. im a 06. just wanted to make sure haha. thx tim

I found inspire replicas for $60 shipped, but they only come with the housing

So as mentioned would I only need 5,6,7,8 too and bulbs to work those fogs (plus the obvious hardware to mount the fogs)

I'm assuming you'd need everything minus the OEM housings. Switch, both harnesses, and bulbs.

correct

might just pick up the fogs, and install them next year

So almost all is well when I wired it up. It's just that the green indicator light on the button doesn't work anymore, not sure why, but I can live with it.

The green indicator light that shows your fog lights are on or the backlight for the "fog light" icon?

The one that shows that they are on.

Check your in dash wiring harness ground.

DriveAccord isn't working for me. I want to be able to have them always on (basically if switch is on it will always turn them on if its off it'll keep them off). I bought the housing so far and am awaiting OEM wiring stuff before I take this on. Should I wire them according to the original instructions then when I get it to work that way modify the wiring harness?

That'd be the best way to do it. There's two mods you can choose from. Modify the harness at the switch, or under the hood. I'm not sure what the colors are for the 7.5 gen but mine were modified at the switch.

So, you want your fogs to turn on with a switch, regardless of whether your parking lights or headlights are on?

Basically yes. DriveAccord is up, but I wanted to know if my process would be similar since that is for using them with the parking lights. I'm going to end up wiring them as per the instructions on the Honda PDF then once I confirm they are working would tackle the job to have them light up independently.

im interested to see how this would work. a diy is must when you figure it out. take photos of the process please.

I'd have to double check the diagram, but you'd basically just wire up the power input to a 12 volt source that is on when your car is running.  Not a big deal to make happen.

Anyone have experience with this particular eBay Seller and/or the exact fogs pictured?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fog-Ligh ... ccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fog-Light-Lamp-Left-LH-Honda-Accord-2003-2006_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2c52679b68QQitemZ190361082728QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fog-Ligh ... 2c52679aee (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fog-Light-Lamp-Right-RH-Honda-Accord-2003-2006_W0QQitemZ190361082606QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2c52679aee" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Yes I know that there will need to be some modification done to fit it to the bumper, but anyone done this? Any insight on this? Also, the auctions above don't come with any harness...does anyone know if the USDM harness will fit the above fogs?


(if this is in the wrong forum, please move...i wasn't sure if this would be electronic or just general, since i'm asking more about the particular eBay seller)

just some light modification done to fit it to the bumper, but is pretty easy to do. you can use any after market  or USDM harness  with h11 bulbs..

Moved to the appropriate forum. As for the questions, Lex has it done. Like he said, all you would need is minor mods and the USDM harness plugs right up. The only difference between the ASEAN fogs and the US fogs is the actual light housing.

OEM harness and switch will run you a little bit under $100 + shipping from Bernardi Honda which isn't bad at all. $15 is really cheap even for replicas. I picked up some OEM housings (I guess JDM then LOL) and waiting on my other stuff to get here. I have the PDF for the install on an '06. Shoot me a PM if you want it.

Also, this has been discussed before. Here: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2156 (http://elitecm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2156" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).

As for the ebay seller, no experience with him.

I'd use the OEM USDM harness.  Bernardi Honda and Majestic Honda are in my area, so I can pick up and ship the harness if you want.  I'd contact lemonjelly about the actual installation.  He did an 06-07 front end conversion and has the Depo aftermarket/replica Inspire fog lights.

That's right! I completely forgot that Steve did the same conversion.

the conversion was cake and installing the fogs was the easiest part of it all...

there is just a few little cuts that need to be made to the back of the fog light hols on the 06-07 bumper cover.

I used the OEM harness to wire these. It was incredibly easy to install, the opening of the fuse box and the pinning or some wires scared me a little but once I got to actually doing it I was completely fine and ran into 0 problems. Just follow the instructions.

2003-05 accord sedan - http://www.bernardiparts.com/Images/Install/2005_Accord_Sdn_Foglights_AII27470.pdf
2006 accord sedan - http://www.bernardiparts.com/Images/Install/2006_Accord_Sedan_Fog_Light_AII30265.pdf
2007 accord sedan - http://www.bernardiparts.com/Images/Install/2007_AccordSdn_Foglights_AII32672.pdf

The original front end
(http://www.limongellidesign.com/inspire/car1.jpg)

after the conversion
(http://www.limongellidesign.com/inspire/car2.jpg)

some pics showing the cuts to the back of the bumper cover. (I cut more away then I had to) Also I didn't end up mounting the ballasts there. The ballasts were too big and hit the bumper and prevented me from getting the cover back on.
(http://www.limongellidesign.com/inspire/cut1.jpg)
(http://www.limongellidesign.com/inspire/cut2.jpg)

just remember make many small cuts its a SHIT TON easier to remove a little extra material then it is to put it back lol

I'm planning to do a 06-07 front-end conversion have just bought Ebay fog's to match it.  Has anyone done a Foglight retro before?  I've seen many people state that it's been done, but no actual threads on it or DIYs on such a project.

1) I plan on retrofitting Blazer fog projectors into Ebay 06'07' foglight housings.  My ebay's are metal - is that normal? sounds like a lot of dremel work on metal.

2) I'm planning on purchasing Blazers shipped from Kragen auto parts.  It looks like the newest Blazers on the market today are larger than the older Blazers (http://www.tigeraccessory.com/TAG%20Web ... atalog.pdf (http://www.tigeraccessory.com/TAG%20Web%20Design/Blazer%20Catalog.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) - check page 74 or printed page 71 bottom).  Where should I purchase these Blazers - off Kragen or off CustomLights (http://www.customlightz.com/?p=p_150&sN ... -retrofits (http://www.customlightz.com/?p=p_150&sName=fog-light-retrofits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)) who have the older, smaller, Blazers.

Thanks!

Thanks for all the info and links everyone! After finding out I won't need textbooks for two of my classes (leaving me with a little more spending money than I thought I would have), I've decided to pull the trigger and do this mod. I'm going to go ahead and order the housings, and i'll look into ordering the harness (or i might hit you up Tim). Steve, I'll be shooting you a pm in a little bit about how you mounted the housings and what type of brackets you used.


and a general question:
I looked through the 06 sedan install pdf...and there was one part i'm kind of confused about. Does the Fog harness actually go through the firewall at any point? or does it just connect to the fuse box under the hood, and then from there, is there a connector on the inside that goes to the switch?

I believe there is a wire that goes through the firewall but I'm not 100% sure.

Also, you shouldn't need to use brackets. You can use some self-tapping screws and screw the plastic housing for the fogs on the bumper through the black part of the fogs.

I have the older Blazers that I plan on retroing into my fogs. I found them on egay for about 25 shipped. The egay user was papsandme. HTH. As for the bulbs, I'm going to use 3000k 880's. I was about to convert them to d2s but said fuck it.

There is nothing that goes through the firewall if you use the entire harness. In the insteucions it'll show a flat orange looking connector in the engine bay below the master cylinder.

Nice i had trouble taking my lenses apart from my fogs so i put that project on standby a nice diy would be great if you ever get to them

wouldn't that leave holes in the housing that water can get into?

ahh i see...i guess i missed it the first time looking through the install pdf

no if you look at the back of the housing you will see that there is the actual light housing and then around the outside of that there is a bigger plastic housing with sufficient room around the inner housing to drill into.

Someone on DA did a retro on his OEM fogs. I believe he said the output wasn't as great as he thought it'd be.

Nope. Like Steve said, there is the actual reflector part and it's enclosed inside of a plastic housing that you can use to screw it onto the bumper. I'll take some pics of my fogs later today to show you.

That's because he used es300 fogs. He also put a lexan lens in front of the fogs so that may have messed up his output..

Did it look anything like these Ebay fog projectors MOOKEEH MK1 PROJECTO FOG LIGHTS (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PROJECTOR-FOG-LIGHTS-CHEVY-AVEO-BERETTA-BLAZER-CAMARO_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem588340282fQQitemZ380159141935QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

ahh i see now. I look forward to the pics.

EDIT: Fogs have been ordered and should be on their way. I will order the harness and other parts when I confirm what exactly i need. Tim, I checked Bernardi's shipping prices and it shipping would cost the same as if you were to pick it up and ship, thanks for the offer though!

I"m also ordering from Bernardi all the harnesses and such should run you $98 or so. Shipping for me is about $11 so not bad all in all. You will need to get yourself some zip-ties to keep the wiring neat and a box of self tapping screws since you're going to need a few to keep it secure. I'll have pics up later today.

HID Illusionz does fog light retrofits.  He may be able to give you some advice.

Nothing like those. Look up the eBay user papsnme. He has the ones you want.

Oh wow, thanks for the refer.  Judging by looks, they look like these Item #350304265795 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350304265795&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fmotors.shop.ebay.com%3A80%2F__%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm39%26_nkw%3D350304265795%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1)

Those are the exact ones. Have fun.

Thanks to Steve I have all the harness/screws ordered! Now just waiting for everything to ship out and to find some time and a place to do the install.

What screws did you order from them? Since I know a few are to secure the OEM housing, which ones are needed elsewhere?

This is what Steve sent me for the 06-07 sedan (I hope he doesn't mind me posting it here):

(http://www.limongellidesign.com/inspire/diagram.jpg)
(http://www.limongellidesign.com/inspire/parts.jpg)

And yes, I know you can get some of the parts at autozone/home depot, but i just went ahead and bought it all from them to make my life easy

Nothing wrong with sharing information Sam.  Good shit man.  OEM parts are always a good to go with over Auto Zone stuff.

I have no problems with you sharing the stuff Sam! That is after all the entire reason for this forum lol

Let me know when all the parts come in and if you need some more guidance.

I came across a ton of pics i didnt know I had of the cutting of the bumper as well as the mounting of the fogs. Once I get a chance to pull them off of my work comp I will post them up here for people to see.

Thank you! Ordering soon only that I'm ordering Nokya bulbs for 'em. i really appreciate it!

Got the Blazers in the mail and picked up a DDM 4500 kit.  Had to fuss with some wires and got the switches to work. Here are some pics

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Clean cutoff
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From uptop the white car (in above pic)
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(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3715/img0421.jpg)
W/ Inspire headlights on
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(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2695/img0428s.jpg)
The messy setup
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(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6615/img0438n.jpg)
Testing the other kit for ballast ad light
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I can see why you're doing a conversion. What happened to your bumper?

I hit a chunk of snow/ice on the way down from Mt Baldy.  I'm also doing a 03-05 to 06 front end conversion, so I bought Inspire fog replicas for the 06 bumper.

I want to see the end result on these.

Harness and related items came in from Bernardi today. The housings are still in China according to the shipping info...It's been in the same stage for a couple days now, I wonder how long it takes to pass through customs and such.

It'll show that until it shows up at your door Sam. I've ordered shit from overseas and it takes a while for it to jump the pond in between.

Here my projector fog lights.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f381/JL524/IMAG0212.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f381/JL524/IMAG0114-1.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f381/JL524/IMAG0142-1.jpg)

i got to make me a set of these bad boys...

When did u install em?  Any advice before i bust out the dremel? Thanks! Any help would be appreciated.

So it looks like the fogs were delivered....to Houston, I guess i'll have to wait for the next time I go back home to retrieve them, pisses me of since I told them to ship it to Austin (I have 2 addresses on Paypal)

I also bought myself a pair of those inspires planning to retro with Blazer fogs. They arrived last week but I need to drop by tomorrow to pick it up (Express Mail requires signature of listed receiving person, not even an agent!)

ya, im just hoping my father can sign for it, if not i'll have to contact the seller and tell them they fucked up and shipped it to the wrong place

Gluck.

Went to the PO to pick up my set today. Pics!

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I just noticed the housings I bought didn't have those screws or springs. Now I feel they might be bouncing up and down when I secure them.

Sometimes that's the difference between OEM and aftermarket replicas.

what exactly do the springs do?

Wait what? Are his fogs OEM or replica? Mine say stanley on the back also but I thought they were replica.

Oh, and the spring + screw is to adjust the level of the fog light. Tighten it more it gets higher, loosen and its lower. I'm just going to go to a hardware store  and find a metric screw and a spring that'll fit, don't think it should be too much of a problem.

I'm pretty sure mine are replicas. The finish on the lens, etc isnt the best.

Well, Stanley is the OEM manufacturer.  Unless the aftermarket company is actually selling these as knock off's of the OEM equipment, it appears that these are OEM.  Usually legitimate aftermarket manufacturers have their logo on them.  My guess is that they are either OEM or knock offs, but not aftermarket replicas.

I guess I have knockoffs. I'm just upset that I have to go to a hardware store to hunt some tiny springs and screws. Shouldn't be more than $5.

Went on a screw and spring hunt today and was a success. Going to ghetto mod it though just in case, the spring would ever come lose. Now off to see if I can borrow someones dremel lol.

+

DAM ! This looks sick Lemonjelly props...

can someone post the Honda PDF for removing the front bumper? thanks

Bump to that!


plus, i wanted to get some of your opinions on how I should go about this install. So i'm going back home this weekend and will have my parent's garage, plus all my tools to my disposal, so I could do the entire install this weekend, however i've been planning on having my front bumper repainted (the douche at the state inspection place scraped the front corner while doing a brake check...)

Anyways, i figured it would be useless to install the fogs to just have to remove them for the bumper to be repainted. I figured i can get the wiring harness installed this weekend and maybe cut the bumper to fit the fogs correctly, however, not put in the final screws that will hold the fog in place. The only downside to this would be that I would be rolling around without the black inserts in the front of the bumper (in other words, 2 big gaping holes in the bumper) until I find time to get the bumper repainted and install the fogs.

What do yall think I should do? Should I just do that...and maybe find a way to jerryrig the black pieces back in place?

IMO since you do not have any plans/time to get the bumper painted right now I would install everything and have them working. It is only a few screws that will be holding the fogs in place and those can be removed in a minute or 2. Also once you take the bumper off for the first time you'll see how easy it is to take off and put back on.

To get the bumper off you need to open the hood, remove the plastic radiator cover (there should be 9 clips and 2 plastic philips head screws) Then you will be able to pop the grill off. On each corner of the bumper where it meets the fender there is a philips head screw that needs to be removed, and on the botton of the bumper there are 4 more clips and 4 bolts that need to come out. Once they are all out you can pop the cover off.

I know that is not the most clear description ever, but I couldnt find the tutorial I used when taking my bumper off and everything else I saw was pretty vague...

Link to 06 Bumper Removal. Careful with the clips too, they cost a few bucks to replace.

CLICK (http://www.mediafire.com/file/yvtwjqjmjjn)

So today I got pulled over for having fog lights on. My question is it illegal to have fog lights on when there is no fog out but in poor cloudy about to rain weather. I have projector fog lights aimed down. so there was no way it was blinding.

Pics of output taken from camera phone.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f381/JL524/IMAG0114-1.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f381/JL524/IMAG0142-1.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f381/JL524/IMAG0253.jpg)

LIFE SUCKS!!!  

You definately need to go to court and fight it.  in the meantime research local statutes on automobile lighting, and more specifically fog lights.  they are a safety feature, and are an available option through the manufacture

Did you get a ticket or a warning?

I got a warning, so I cant go to court. Does warnings go on my record? I really do not want a record like this on there. Makes no sense. I talked to a guy at the dealership and he was cracking up when I told him I got pulled over for fog lights.

im pretty sure warnings arent usually written down anywhere just the cop letting you off

Don't think it hurts too much. On the other hand, are those retro'd inside inspire housings or just projectors on OEM garnish?

Fog lights are illegal in MA, and RI for that matter if there is not present weather conditions. I got a ticket for it about 7 years ago, and tried to fight it. Major fail in MA court.

What happen??

well considering its not a nice day out today, visibility was low... which makes sense for me to turn on fog lights.

if you didn't get a ticket or a fine....HELL FUCK NO!

Don't waste your time with a complaint. I was driving down an extremely dark road, and one of my headlights was out so I used my fogs to provide a little extra visibility. They were after market and super bright probably not aimed right and the officer was probably in a bad mood so he wrote me a ticket.

i got a citation... not a fine. not sure how it works...

projectors on OEM garnish

This man is correct.  It is illegal to drive with your fog lights on unless the weather is poor (rain, fog, snow) in MA.  Different states have different laws.  It is a law that is rarely enforced, but cops can use it as a reason to pull people over so they can try and catch them with something else.

i think its illegal to drive with foglights on without having headlights on. but yours seem to be aimed poorly. it needs to aim straight horizontaly, yours are almost high beams

When I asked the police officer who pulled me over for my fog lights, he explained that it is illegal to have your fog lights on because they are an auxiliary light and it is the equivalent to driving around with your high beams on.  I don't think that driving around with fog lights on only (no headlights) is illegal.  You may have noticed that the current MDX and RDX have DRL's in their fog lights.  Anyway, as I mentioned earlier, it's a law that the police don't enforce strictly.  Kind of like how the passing lane on the freeway is supposed to be for passing only, and they want you to use your turn signal whenever you change lanes or make a turn.     Either way, if your fog lights are on and a cop wants to pull you over, it's their excuse to do that.  I have been driving in MA for 8 years and was only pulled over once for having my fog lights on.  It was by a townie cop in a city where the police are known for making stops and ticketing people for minor stuff.  In short, they're assholes.  FWIW, I still drive around with my fog lights on all the time.

you have to crack out your lens for a blazer retro and replace it with lexan.  I am the guy from Drive Accord who did an ES300 retro and I went about it wrong.  I am going to do a blazer retro this summer, but just purchased a blazer retro from a guy (it ends up i like yellow output, but not yellow lens).  PM for more details if you need.

Customlightz seems to have pretty good rates on fog retros. http://www.customlightz.com/?p=p_150&sN ... -retrofits (http://www.customlightz.com/?p=p_150&sName=fog-light-retrofits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Dope!  Bjorn retrofits 2nd Gen TL fogs!!  Now I have an option for my new fogs.

i did one with some Valeo D2S hid projectors. since these pictures i've taken the step out of the cut off for a flat cut off, painted everything flat black, re aligned the drivers side projector, and heat formed lexan covers for them. the lexan has messed up the output slightly but it still works like a charm! paired with rx330 projector headlights...amazing output lol

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I'm taking a guess and saying this thread would go here lol, anyway the other night I was driving around and all of a sudden smelled like burning rubber (I new it had to be like a electrical problem or something like that) near my fog light switch which is where the alarm is on the left, then I noticed my fog lights were off. I tried turning them on but nothing work and the smell lingered for a good 5 mins and disappeared. Now theres no smell anymore and my fog lights don't work anaymore   . Ahhh I figured it could be my wiring harness that just completely fried, but i really don't know. Any input guys??

Well, firstly check behind the switch. Pull the part out yadda yadda, same way you got it in lol.

Second, did you do the splicing method to get them to turn on while your parking lights are on?

Well lol I didn't do the wiring and all that crap just went to a shop for that, so i got no clue how to get behind there. Second, they go on only when my signals are on so yes. Everything else works, just gotta figure a way to get behind there could just be a wire for all i no lol

I'd try to find what was causing the burning smell first.

why not just take it back to the shop who did the job and let them find out...shit you paid for it to be installed right

well update after almost a month I decided to look for the problem. I pulled the part out where our sunroof switch is n our foglight switch, and everything looked fine. I disconnected the wires that go to the foglight switch and just took out the switch. Disassembled the switch and found out thats where the smell was coming from. So my switch burnt out, idk y idk how. Luckily my friend had an extra so I just replaced it and now it works again  

Which switch did you have a ebay one or oem?

+1

Ebay one since it came with the foglights

That's your issue right there. Get rid of the egay swith and replace the switch and harness under the dash with an OEM one. It'll save you headaches later.

well i just replaced the ebay switch with the oem switch and made it work with the ebay harness. As I saw on v6preformance.net..

You're welcome. I take paypal and/ or money orders.

^ lol, ok i'm trying to make it more secure now.....Do you by any chance now the parts number for the pigtails with the wire attached to it? I went to Honda and they gave me pigtails that were wayy to big for the switch... Click the link this is what i'm looking for http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae242/californium90/OEM%20switch%20with%20ebay%20harness%20DIY/DSC03449.jpg (http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae242/californium90/OEM%20switch%20with%20ebay%20harness%20DIY/DSC03449.jpg)

Dear christ.  You're using t-taps?  That's a mistake.

nvm found it, if anyone needs it.... Pigtail Part # 04320-sp0-s00

i recently did this mod to my car about a good month ago. I also have hid's in my foglights but i turn the swith off before i get out. does anyone know if this is bad for the ballast or light ?

If you turn off the switch before getting out, you'll be fine. I have the same mod and tend to forget to turn off the fogs prior to getting out. It is bad since the ballast and bulb aren't designed to withstand the quick flash that halogens can take. You'll get burnt bulbs pretty quick and it'll defeat the purpose of the longevity of the HIDs.

this is a sweet mod but everytime i get out the car i have to double check and make sure that the switch is off

I just accept the fact that I have inexpensive bulbs and ballasts, so I really don't care that they flash.  I don't bother turning my fogs off and they've worked for about a year now.  I'm sure it's not good for the bulbs, but I'll buy another set of $10 bulbs on eBay when these ones die.  They've lasted longer than most halogen bulbs I've put in my fog lights.

Anyway, if you really wanted to, you could add a relay to disable your fog lights when your car is off.  I know that both of you guys are smart enough to figure it out. 

Obviously, I'm not too worried about it now.

where would i be able to buy me a set of ASEAN/Inspire Fogs lights it look so bad ass i live in CA. Near Inland Empire does any one know where to get them and installed here is my bumper (http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a408/yanks4life1/059.jpg)

You can order replicas from Depo or anywhere online.  As for installation, you can do it yourself or pay a body shop to do it.

What he said. Alex and Rolo had them on their 03-05 bumpers before they switched tto the 06-07 front end. Good luck getting ahold of either of them here. They went Casper.

im still here fool..just lurking around. are you back in MIA? whats up

Damn! Back from the dead! I've been gone bro. I'm doing the mid east thing, remember?

Zing!

Ok, so I want my fog lights on with just my parking lights.  I've read about 8 different answers on how to do this and which wire to splice into, all producing different results, no results or fucked up results.  Could somebody clarify this for me?  Thanks.

Get with Tim... He is a wiring god!

Tim, I'm looking right at you. LoL.  I would appreciate your expert advice on this.  Thanks, in advance.

Honda Accord Fog Light Installation Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTad10d171w#)

Hope this helps anyone, came in handy for me because looking at instructions not my thing lmaoOoo...

Good stuff Billy.

Why thank you.... Sticky please!

Tim I just have 1 question regarding that blue wire, if I connect it to the ignition wire under the dash will it allow me to turn the fogs on/off independently from the switch? I only want them on when I press the switch not when the the parking lights or low beams are on.

Another thing I saw you wrote and was wondering if this might also help in the setup I want having the fogs light up independently with the switch only...

"Do not connect the white/green or red/green wires to the fuse box in step 15
Find the relay plug in the harness that has these four wires:
white/green
red/green
blue
black
Cut the blue wire from the relay plug
Find the black/red wire in the underhood fuse box (fuse # 18)
Connect the blue wire to the black/red wire"

Now the wires that are bold and underlined do I just tape them up since they not in use? After I cut the BLUE wire from the relay plug and connect it to the black/red wire in the fuse box do I still connect the relay minus that blue wire? Do I still connect the blue/red wire to the 20 pin connector under the fuse box?



...maybe it was more than one question  :D

FYI, you guys have different fog light wiring harnesses.  You won't be able to compare notes.

Billy, are you trying to modify the wiring harness in the dash or the engine compartment?  Nelson, same question for you.

These questions should have been posted in one of the existing fog light threads though.  Time to research one of them and post your questions there.  I'll edit this thread later and move the questions over to the proper thread.

Which blue wire do I cut and ground from the relay?  There's like 4 for them.  Thanks in advance.  I removed my post from the other thread Tim.

... stressed over this all!   :(

Has anyone actually done the fogs as DRL's on here? If I connect the blue wire from the switch harness to the ignition wire what would be the best way to do so? Im iffy on touching that ignition wire  :-X

Billy, that's the best way.  The blue wire that comes from the switch, you need to wire that to anything that gives you 12v when your car is on.  You can wire it to the positive wire of your cigarette lighter if you want.

Okay, I finally had a minute to take a look at the wiring diagram again.  To get the fog lights on with your parking lights, you would need to cut the solid blue wire that's coming from the relay and ground that.  There are only 4 wires from the relay and they are all different colors.  Blue, green, blue/red, and blue yellow.  This may seem like an odd question, but are you color blind?

Maybe he can't count straight.  :scared:

 :laugh:Haha! Real funny! LoL

Tim I sent you the picture of the wires coming out of the Relay. There are 6 wires, (1) green, (2) blues, (2) blues with yellow and (1) blue With red.

I've given up on that mod until a future date. Tim, can you add this mod to the list of things we gotta do when I head your way?

OK, once the relays come in I will give this a whirl.... gotta look good for Honda Day and my current bumper looks like sh*t! Tim good looking out dude...

I do what I can.

That's odd.  Do you have your fogs hooked up right now?

This may seem like an odd question, but do you listen when I speak? LoL. just teasing tim. Yes, they're currently hooked up. Everything is all wired per the Honda instructions.  Out of curiousity, how many wires are supposed to come out of the relay on the 7th gens.  I ask this since I didn't actually order the harness from the dealership. I got it through Eazy.  Maybe he ordered the wrong year harness. Just a thought.

I actually only half pay attention to everyone.  The Honda OEM relay should only have 4 wires.  I'll take a look at the circuit diagram again and see if there's anything else I may have missed.  Are all 6 wires coming from different terminals on the relay, or does it seem like the 2 blue wires are coming from the same terminal?  Try unplugging the relay and count the terminals on the relay.

That's a possibility, I'll have to double check that one.

Nelson where did you get your relays from...? The relays from Honda for the fogs are 4 pin!

From Mr. Eazy, my neazy! Billy, you and I have different wiring since mines a 7.5 don't know if that makes a difference or not. I think I remember a 20 pin connector and a 14 pin connector.

This tells me that there should only be 4 wires coming from your relay.

(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g274/timot_one/Random%20Car%20Pics/7_5g_fog_circuit.jpg)

Rubbish.

The relay is a 4 pin... what you are talking about is the connectors under the fuse box, yes there is a 14 pin and a 20 pin connector that you have to attach wires from the fog light harness to.

I been studying this sh*t so hard I know it by heart already lmaoOooo  :laugh:

So back to your relay which should be a 4 pin... you should have 2 relays if I'm correct, relay 1 (black) and relay 2 (gray) but the blue wire like Tim said should be grounded! As for me I have to take the blue wire and connect it to a 12v source that is only on when my car is...

Circuit diagrams don't lie.

:laugh:

....they confusing though :exclaim:

Not if you understand DC electronics.  That's a very basic diagram.

what i did on my 7.5 is wired a switch between to of the wires that feed into the oem switch so i could control if the city lights were active or not(for legal reason). cant remeber what colors the wires were but i will check and get back to ya.

That's a pretty good idea too.

So just to clarify...

If you want your fogs on independently then all you need to do is follow the instructions as per Honda on wiring them up under the hood and in the cabin. The only thing you will do different is cut the blue wire from the harness to the dash switch. Now you take the blue wire that is hanging from the switch and connect it to a 12v source (I used the cigarette 12v source cuz it only goes on when the car is on. Some people choose the ignition wire but I didn't wanna go that route!) Now you just tape the end of the other side of the blue wire you just cut leading to the cabin harness and your done!

MY relays came in and they are working fine with just the use of the switch.

Thank you Tim for your expertise on the subject, it really helped out alot!  :) ;) ;D

I'm glad it worked out for you Billy.  I guess it goes to show that I actually know what I'm talking about.  ;)

Yessiirrr!  ;)

so i checked the wires....the blue and the red wires are bridged together with a switch so i can control them but if you want a permanent solution then just simply splice the two together.

Sorry for the long post but before i take it to an electrician to do it for me i rather give it one last shot.  For some reason i cant figure out what im doing wrong when i wired up my fogs yesterday.  I dont know enough about electronics to do it myself from scratch so what i did was i tried replacing the harness that came with the new fogs with the one i already have in place (stupid move) since i had inspire fogs before but then realized that for some reason its not compatible with hids only with the oem lightbulbs.  So i took the new harness out and put the old on back in but now i cant remember the full wiring and the now nothing works.  the foglight switch inside doesnt even turn on anymore.  Tried several things and nothing works.  Can anybody help?
Thanks

Lu, I'm going to start off by suggesting that you read all of the forum rules before creating any new threads, and adjust your sig accordingly.  Second, you haven't really provided much information about the wiring harnesses that you're using.  I have no clue what kind of harness was used.  Was it OEM, is it aftermarket?  If you're going from OEM fogs to Inspires, the wiring harness is identical as long as it's OEM or an OEM style harness.  If you're using some knock off aftermarket harness, then I have no idea who made it or how it's configured.

With the right information, we can help you work through it.  I would recommend that if you do not have an OEM wiring harness, get one.  That way we know what you have and how it's supposed to be wired up.

okay Tim sig was fixed once i read the rules.  Thanks...As far as the details i don't have much...all i know is that i used the original harness the fogs came with which were aftermarket but its time to change them so im going to buy the OEM harness and parts i need and ill be back.

But your previous working harness was for a set of OEM replicas, or just aftermarket fogs?

It was aftermarket i believe because they came with the inspire fogs.  My car was never equipped with fogs when i got it.  I have the OEM switch though that's about it.  Everything else was modified.

It may be a good idea to start fresh with an OEM harness.  That way you know what you're getting and know that it's not some hack job.

^This.

Especially since the OEM harness is straight PnP and you can find the OEM instructions online. Shouldn't take you more than an hour and that's including pulling off the front bumper.

yea i think im going to go ahead and order it...cheapest place i saw it was on majestic...any other sites?
BTW since i never had OEM harness and connection i never had a problem with having the high beams and fog lights on at the same time...can i still do the same with the OEM connectivity?

Lu

Order from South Bay Honda (http://www.hondapartscheap.com/southbay/jsp/home.jsp) and get the following part numbers... I would call them an make sure that the parts below will work for your year since I have a 2003. I know the wiring harness maybe different! 1-877-475-1145

Engine compartment harness, cabin harness, oem switch, relay 1 and relay 2  all PNP (plug and play) literally takes like 45 minutes to do!

08V31-SDA-10030
08V31-SDA-10031
08V31-SDA-1M035
39795-SB2-003 RC-2201
39796-SXO-003 RC-2402

Yeah, what year is your car Lu?

I have an 06 Tim.
Thanks for the p/n Billy, ill look into that...as far a s the oem switch i have that.

Call them and tell them you need the (2) relays, which those are the part numbers for the 2003 model!

Billy, the 06 has one relay.  I'll pull up a parts list of what you need later today or tomorrow Lu.  Whatever you do, don't get the parts Billy said to get because they are different from what you need.

Yeah, all I used was kne relay.

Yeah because I only remember having one relay in the hood.  But I do have another under the steering wheek by the fuse bix thats linked to the oem switch.  Maybe thats why Billy said two relays.

I didn't have a relay under the steering wheel.  There was a plug down there that I plugged the switch too, but that was about it. 

Billy gave you the correct information for the wrong car.  Trust me when I tell you that your wiring harness should only have one relay.  You may have something else under your dash because it's aftermarket, or you may have mistaken an electrical connector for a relay.  Whatever you do, get the wiring harness for your car.  Here are the parts you need:

08V31-SDA-10130 - #5
08V31-SDA-10131 - #6
08V31-SDA-1M035 - #7
39795-SB2-003 - #8

(http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/catimgs/14sda01_xel2901.png) (http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=ACCORD&catcgry2=2006&catcgry3=4DR+LX&catcgry4=KA5MT&catcgry5=FOGLIGHT+KIT+%28+06%29)

I  try to be helpful when I can, I did however say that the parts were for an 03-05... wasn't sure what year Lu had!  :flip:

That's why I asked what year he had before giving advice.  ;) no homo

This is the same diagram I was referencing from thats whys it was wierd about the two relays...but thnx again guys...ill order these parts asap...

Both my inspire fogs failed me tonight.  Don't know if it's a relay or fuse issue.  I'll have to check it out tomorrow.  Maybe an issue with the HiD's? Will update as soon as I find an answer.

What the.... check all connections Nelson, if you wired them according to the Honda instructions you should be fine. Hopefully...

They worked fine for weeks before the hid's Were put in.  I'm gonna shoot you a text.

I'm thinking it's the relay that blew.  Any idea how to check a relay? I looked at the fuse guides and didn't find one that said fog light so I checked them all one by one. Good thing too bc I was missing a fuse. No idea how that happened. Anyways, thoughts, advice, is always welcome.

Yea i think it might just be fuse.  Or maybe the power to the HID's since it happened after trhe HIDs were installed 

Anybody know how to test a relay? I hear it clicking when I push the switch.  There's no fuse that I know of.

I think in your engine bay fuse box it is Fuse Slot #10... takes a 20 amp fuse. I will have to check when I get home but i'm sure that's the one!

It is #10 fuse slot because I just put a 20amp fuse in mine as well....
So I finally got the oem parts for the fog lights and using the dealer installation guide I installed.....but it doesnt work...the fog light switch light doesnt even come on as if theres no power...need help...

I'll have to double check that fuse.  Even though I think it's the blue wire at the switch that's my issue. I cut that once, not a good idea.

Did you ground the harness going to the passenger foglight...? Follow the harness it should be grounded at the hood latch. Did you ground the foglight switch harness under the steering column...? 2 things you could check!

...your a lost case  :D seriously though just solder the blue wire back together and wrapped it in electrical tape as a precaustion. As to what else to do i'm clueless at this point :exclaim:  :flip:

LoL! Double checked the fuse, it's was blown. Billy let me borrow your soldering iron.

Double checked the wire at the switch. I did solder and heat shrink it. So that's not the issue. I'm at a loss.

Fuck HID's in my fogs, I'm going back to the stock setup next week when I'm home and I can take the bumper off.

Loco, OoH I don't own a soldering iron... Radio Shack FTMFW!

Just thought I'd give an update on the foglight situation...So i installed all the OEM foglight harness's myself but still had a problem so i decided to take it to a real electrician where he then told me it was a simple mistake and fixed it with an extra relay and direct wire to the fogs so they can go on by themselves.
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/biglu1889/IMAG0528.jpg)
6k's but look more like 8K's in the picture.
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Switchback LED's
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Also moved the license plate to the other side but couldn't do anything about the grill fitment and placed a HFP emblem on front grill.  What do you guys think?

Looks good!  I like the blue turns!

What's that weird blue blotches in like the first 4 pics?  Glare from the HIDs?  And your right, they def look just like my 8000ks in the first pics without the headlights on.

Lol @ the last two pics, it looks like the car is leanin to the left... from the weight of the license plate ;)

Haha yea it does...plate does seem a bit off...but as far as the blue blotches idk just noticed it when i posted them up...must be the glare. Thanks on the reply

Looks good Lu. I'm slightly jealous.

Looking good Lu!

Thanks guys...shouldnt be jealous ...we all got nice cars

Yeah, but your fogs work! LoL!!!  Also your hybrid mirrors too.   :'(

looks great nice work

looks good. Could you give me any info on how you moved the plate over like that?

Im sure your problem with the fogs is minor...just have to look closely...as far as the plate relocation; its simple, $15 plate relocator from ebay (projectjdm-seller) and its ez assemble but you will have to remove your current plate holder and the new one can be screw in to the top of bumper underneath by the lower grill

i couldn't find the seller, could ya link me please :)

Go to ebay and type License Plate Relocator... and whaalaa they come in colorz

lol figured that, just wanted to see who you got it from since you had a good experience with them, thanks though!

My fogs are working again. The people who installed my HID's are comPlete and utter idiots.  I generally don't know what I'm doing, but even i know what they did was wrong.

LMAO! Sometimes you just gotta do shit yourself...

OK, this is for the wiring and electronic gurus here.  I have OEM fog lights (07 Sedan) that I installed few years ago.  Through messing with them and some other stuff, they no longer work.  Here are the things I have tried:
1) I ordered a new relay.  No luck.  If I use the grey relay that comes in the 05 sedan kit, I can get the fogs on (all the time though, even when car is locked).  This seems to tell me that the engine bay harness is ok, which I have checked the wiring in it and it is all ok.
2) At one point I had the mod to my fogs worked with the parking lights.  I have removed that so that the set up is currently stock.  Since I used a tap on the wires on the switch harness, I went ahead and cut all the wires and resoldered them to ensure a solid connection.
3) The switch will illuminate when headlights are on, however, no matter what, the green power light will not go on (just like the fogs).  This leads me to believe the switch is not getting the power.  I also tried another OEM switch with no luck.

In the end, I have checked and rechecked the wiring and it is all set up how it is suppose to.  Does anyone have any ideas what I can do to get my damn fogs working?!?!

only thing i can think of that you havent tried is using a multi meter to find the problem

I have one, but don't really know how to use it or test the wires.

This

Alright, it's gonna happen tomorrow!

I had a similar issue when I installed mine.  I too tested the relays and such but through the use of a multimeter found that one of the relays was getting power at times it shouldn't.  The problem was with how my dad and I added those loose wires into the 13pin connector? (It's been awhile so don't remember exacts).  One of us, I'll blame it on him, glanced at the diagram upside down for one of the wires and places it on the opposite side.  As far as I can remember, that is the only place you can really screw this up.  If it were wired correctly and it still didn't work it should be a little easier to troubleshoot.  You can hear the relays click as the fog lights are turned on and the other when the high beams are turned on (I believe).  Follow the power from the source and see where you lose it when the headlights are on and they should have power.  I personally like using the multimeter on the continuity setting.  This just tells you if what you are touching the two prongs to are connected by usually buzzing.  Meaning if you put one of multimeter leads to either side of the relay, it shouldn't buzz but once you turn the headlights on and the relay is activated, those to wires you have the lead on should be connected and then it will buzz.  Not all multimeters have this feature.  Otherwise you'd have to set it to read volts dc and put one lead to a ground and the other to the point you want to test.  It should read around 12volts everywhere there is power or less for whatever reason.  Either way, I'd check that 13 pin connector first and look over the directions again for any places that could have been screwed up, like anything other than plugging in two wire clips. 

On a side note, when I got mine, the led's in the switch were bad and nothing lit up.  I replaced the on/off indicator led but left the backlight one alone because the color of light coming through was off and looked cheap next to all the other lights on the dash though it does come on randomly.  The point is, even if your lights aren't on, you may still be getting power up there, it's just the leds.  That's why it's pretty helpful to get used to trouble shooting with a multimeter.

Thanks for the replies.  I do know that the pins are good.  I haven't moved them in 2 years, but I did check to make sure they were still in and double checked the position.  I have checked about 5 times to make sure wiring is good and I cant find anything.  Tomorrow is multimeter time.  This is what I have:
http://www.harborfreight.com/7-function-digital-multimeter-90899.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/7-function-digital-multimeter-90899.html)

OK I just did some testing with my multimeter.  Everything on the switch harness was getting power.  I checked the other plugs as well on the switch harness (except for the blue connector one) and they all had power.  I check the part that plugs in to the relay and it was good.  I check the 2 pins going into the hood fuse panel and the blue wire was good and the blue w/ red stripe seemed to have an issue, so I will try to explain.  With the fog switch in on position, original Honda relay connected, the blue wire w/red stripe had no power.  If I left everything the same but removed the relay, that wire then got power.  The fog lights the entire time never received power.  My only conclusion right now is something is up with that blue wire w/red stripe that goes in to the 20 pin connector.  Any ideas?

First of all, it's not clear what you mean when you say you're "getting power" from all the wires.  You shouldn't get 12v from all the wires you test.  When you say you're getting power, do you mean that you're getting continuity, or do you mean that when you ground your DMM to the battery ground you're getting 12v from all the wires?

The blue/red wire is the wire that comes from your fuse box, that is the wire that's connected to the fuse.  From looking the wiring diagram, you should get 12v from that wire at all times, regardless of what position your key switch is in or your light switch is in.  Ignoring your relay for the moment, do you get 12v from both sides of the fuse, and do you get 12 from the blue/red wire when you test it at the relay?

Well that's just the wire that takes the power from the relay to the fog lights.  First make sure that when the headlights on are and the fog light switch is on that there is power to the white wire that goes into that relay.  If the white wire has power, now put one lead on the white wire side of the relay and the other lead on the prong with the blue with red stripe wire on it.  It should still be showing the same voltage becasue the headlights and fog lights are on.  If there is no voltage after the relay then either the relay is bad or something is wrong with the wiring that send the power to the relay to trip the switch. Check that first and that will tell you where to look next.

Or by Tim's post am I looking at the wrong wiring diagram?  Let me dig mine out and make sure, sorry if that turned out to be the wrong wiring diagram.

And yeah it was I'm sorry.  Tim is right that the blue/red wire is the one from the fuse box and it  should always be hot unless the fuse is blown.

Yea, there is no white wire.

As I just tested it: door open, no key in, headlight and fog light switch on, the blue w/red strip had power at the relay and in the fuse panel.

It seems like things that are suppose to be getting power do when they should and shouldn't, except for the bulbs (which I know work).  Is it possible the engine bay harness is not grounded correctly?  I just don't quite get how the one relay for my car won't work with it (I have 2 actually, bought a brand new one) but the grey one for the 05 will power it.

Looking at your sig pic, I would assume that you have 03-05 coupe?  If that's the case, then your wiring diagram is different from the wiring diagram from the OP.  He has an 07.  They changed the wiring from the 7 to the 7.5.  Your wiring diagram is different.


First off, the grey relay is the wrong one and is not meant to be used with your car and you're just confusing yourself by using it.  You need to either throw it away, sell it, or put it on a shelf.  Do NOT use that relay any more if you expect to get accurate results from your testing.

As I explained when we talked about it on AIM, the grey relay for the 03-05 is normally closed.  That means that with that relay connected, your fog lights will always be on, unless you activate the relay.  You told me before that no matter what, your fog lights were always on with the grey relay.  What that means is that your problem could be with the wire for your front fog light control circuit (the blue wire that goes from the 14 pin connector in your engine fuse box to your relay), or the circuit itself.  It could also be the green wire that goes from the switch to the relay or the red/black wire from your under dash fuse box to the switch.

If you want to know what I would do to fix it, here are the steps I would take:

1.  test the blue/red wire of the fog light engine harness for 12v at the engine fuse box terminal and at the relay terminal
- if you are not getting 12v at the engine fuse box terminal, replace the 20a fuse and repeat step 1
- if you are not getting 12v at the relay terminal, but you are getting 12v at the engine fuse box terminal, find the damage to the wire and fix it
- if you are getting 12v at both the engine fuse box terminal and relay terminal, go on to step 2
2.  with your headlights on (low beam only) and your fog lights off, test the blue wire of the fog light engine harness for ground (continuity) at the engine fuse box terminal and at the relay terminal
- if you are not getting ground at the engine fuse box terminal, replace the front fog light control circuit and repeat step 2
- if you are not getting ground at the relay terminal, but you are getting ground at the engine fuse box terminal, find the damage to the wire and fix it
- if you are getting ground at both the engine fuse box terminal and relay terminal, go on to step 3
3.  with your headlights on and the fog light switch on, test the green wire of the fog light engine harness for 12v at the relay and at the 3 pin connector under the fuse box
- if you are not getting 12v at the relay, but you are getting 12v at the 3 pin connector under the fuse box, find the damage to the wire and repair it and repeat step 3
- if you are not getting 12v at the relay and the 3 pin connector, move on to step 4
4.  with your headlights on and the fog light switch on, test the green wire of the fog light dash harness for 12v at the fog light switch terminal and at the 3 pin connector under the dash
- if you are getting 12v at the fog light switch terminal, but not at the under dash connector, find the damage to the wire and repair it, then repeat steps 3 and 4
- if you are not getting 12v at both the fog light switch terminal and the under dash connector, move on to step 5
5.  with your headlights on (low beam only), test for 12v at the red/black wire on the fog light dash harness at both terminals on the switch connector (yes, there are 2) and at the 6 pin connector
- if you get 12v at the 6 pin under dash fuse box connector, but not at the fog light switch connector, find the damage to the wire and repair it, then repeat steps 3, 4, and 5
- if you get 12v at the 6 pin under dash fuse box connector and the fog light switch connector, move on to step 6
6.  with the fog light switch connected and in the "on" position, check for continuity between the red/black and green wires
- if you do not have continuity, replace the switch
- if you do have continuity, move on to step 7
7.  with your headlights on, put the fog light switch in the "on" position and listen for the relay to click
- if the relay doesn't click, replace your relay with the proper relay (p/n: 39795-SB2-003)
- if the relay does click, move on to step 8
8. with your headlights and fog lights on, test for 12v at the green wire of the relay connector
- if you do not have 12v, replace your engine and dash fog light wiring harness
- if you have 12v, move on to step 9
9.  soak your interior with about a gallon of gasoline, light a match and toss it in your car, walk away

If you follow these steps exactly, your fog lights should work before you get to step 9.  PM me if you need my phone number so you can call me for any additional explanation.

Thanks I will do those steps...minus 9.

Also, the only reason I ever use the grey relay is to make sure the bulbs still work.  Otherwise I keep one of the actual relays for my car connected or none connected.

umm.. ok..

If Tim's steps don't help, either consider step 9 or perform the following:

1.  Remove fog lights and all related harnesses, switches, etc.
2.  Put the fog light covers back on your bumper.
3.  Have a beer (if you're at least 21).

If his steps fail, I will probably just skip all the OEM wiring and wire straight through the firewall to a switch.

Or put a picture of a lit up foglight over the lens so it looks like they are on, hahaha....

Here's to you stupid fogs  :flip:

That's a roundabout way to get to Step 9 actually.

This is how you do it using all ebay stuff. I did it and it been working for the pass year. If you want to do HID on the fogs. Repin the H11 to 9006 using the connectors provide on the HID bulbs. Just rip those outs. Take out the heads, remove the OEM H11 and swap it. The 9006 is Left red, right black. Compared to the H11 which is left black, right red. It's opposite. Test it out and see if it work. If not repin them and swap the wiring again.


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12v from either batter of cigarette wiring
trigger from TCS or moon roof Dimming wiring (tap it)

So now that I finally fixed my fogs, I did the mod to use my fogs whenever I want (07 Sedan).  Using my OEM switch (with OEM wiring), I can now turn the fogs on and off with the headlight switch Off, On, or with Parking Lights.  Here are the Steps:
1) On the engine harness, remove the soled blue wire that you put in to the underhood fuse panel.  You will need to cut the pin off, extend the wire, and put a ring terminal on it.  Then you want to ground it to the chasis.  I actually have it grounded to the bracket that hold the fog light relay.
2) On the switch harness (in the cabin), you need to cut the red w/ black stripe wire.  I would cut this 8-10 inches back from the actual pin connector that goes in to switch.
3) You will notice that Pins 1 and 4 have the black w/ red stripe wire.  You need to splice/tap (I used taps...I know that people say don't, but I did) the loop with the the other red w/black stripe wire coming out of Pin 4, using a new wire (it acts as a bridge).  At this point, the wires coming out of Pins 1 and 4 are connected, but not connected the the harness itself since we cut the wire.
4) Next, you need to choose a spot on that "bridge wire" where you have Pins 1 and 4 spliced together, and run a wire from there to ACC/Hot (I used cig lighter). 

You are now done.  Any time that the cig lighter has power, your switch has power and you can use the fog lights as you wish.  I did not take any pics, but I can if I have to.  Just lemme know if anyone has questions.

P.S. timot_one is the man.  Not only did he help me fix my fog lights, he helped me figure this out (OK, he didn't help, he figured it all out and I just did the work, haha).

do the lights still cut off when the car is turned off, or do you manually have to turn them off?

Greg, you can use my real name.  Most of these mooks know my name.


The way that it's wired, the fog lights will only be on when your car is on.  You will not have to manually turn your fog lights off when you shut your car off. 

Oh ok Tim.

@Icebox, since the power to the switch is no coming from the cigarette lighter, it will cut off with the car since the cig lighter does not always get power.

I just merged close to 20 different threads on fog lights.  The majority of them were the same topic, how to wire them up properly or to get them to turn on in a different fashion other than intended by the manufacturer.  There is no reason for that to happen.  At this point, if you create a new thread about fog lights instead of posting in here, you will be immediately banned for one week.  Any fog light related post will now be in this thread only.

Seems like you were a bit bored and decided to do a bit of cleaning up. I like that they all got consolidated into one. This is why I spend most of my time here rather than other forums as they're all a fucking mess of repetitive shit. If only I had mod powers in those forums that piss me off to boot some dickheads and close up repetitive threads.

ok so i lost the brackets to mine on. whats a good diy bracket you guys have used?

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=ACCORD&catcgry2=2003&catcgry3=2DR+LX&catcgry4=KA5MT&catcgry5=FOGLIGHT+KIT (http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=ACCORD&catcgry2=2003&catcgry3=2DR+LX&catcgry4=KA5MT&catcgry5=FOGLIGHT+KIT)

I fucking hate wiring of course the eBay kit I have is the more complicated harness :/ my head hurts.

Austin, I suggested in your profile thread that you replace the eBay harness with an OEM one.  It will be less of a hassle.

+1 to that!

Mine was so ass backwards that I had to have Tim rip it out and put in his extra one. If you got lucky and everything is in the right place you can just follow the OEM fog light directions located Here (http://www.handa-accessories.com/accord/03-2drfoglight.pdf).

Wasn't really sure where to post this question, but I wanted to know which wires are "hot" when the ignition is on, so i connect my fogs to it. Im trying to achieve a DRL. as of now the wire is tapped into the accessory, but i want the lights to be only when the ignition is on.

Run it to your lighter like I did! Well I bi-passed the blue wire on the switch directly to the lighter since it is only active when the car is on.  ;)

are you sure the cigarette lighter is only on when the ignition is on? im pretty sure i used my phone charger when only the accessory was on..

edit: you said the blue wire is only hot when the ignition is on...correct?

Get out a DMM and test the wires.  That's the best way to find out if I'm wrong.  :thumbsup:

When wired directly to the lighter the fogs will have power whenever the key is on ACC. That's how I wired mine up.

Yup, well when your key is turned once in the ACC position. If I turn my car completely off the lights go off!


^what this man said  :flip: Lolz

What's the best way to wire my fog lights to turn on only when my low beams are on...besides splicing the headlight wire??

Keep in mind that the wiring is different for 03-05 and 06-07's.

Follow the install guide for your year car.  That's how they normally operate.

Okay so following the diagram below, it looks like the red/blk coming out of the switch is what is getting triggered to allow the lights to turn on. If I cut red/blk and run it to a +12V source (maybe ignition or I'll just find another wire that is hot with only ignition) my fogs should turn on with just the switch right?

EDIT: Will this affect the dash dimmer at all? Seems like that will also control the dash dimmer.

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With the 06-07 Accord, you must ground the blue wire if you want the fog lights to turn on independently of anything.  The next step would be to find out which red/black wire goes to the correct pin on the switch so it doesn't mess with your illumination (the backlight for the fog light switch when your lights are on).  I have never done an install on an 06-07, so I've never seen the switch, but it should be a 5 pin switch.  Double check that first.

Why do I have to ground the blue out of the switch? Trying to understand it in terms of the circuit itself, cuz I didn't think it had to be grounded since that blue being grounded wouldn't that always meant he indicator would be on?

I'm going to pull the switch out and just pull out the red/blk cables and see which one makes the illumination go out then I know that its the other one lol.

Is this what it should look like after the modifications are made?

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Yeah.  Pretty much.  Look at the wiring diagram again and follow the blue wire.  Where does it go?  Do you know what that control circuit does?  I do!  ;D

What does the control circuit do that requires the blue wire to be grounded? I'm just actually trying to learn how everything works, wiring it up is cake.

Basically, the control circuit will only allow your fog lights to turn on when your headlights are on, by providing ground for that relay.  When your headlights are off, your parking lights are on or your high beams are on, the fog lights will not turn on if you have that blue wire still connected to the control circuit.  As I said before, you must ground the blue wire or the fog lights will not work the way you want them to.

That definitely clears it up. (I'm majoring in Electrical Engineering so I always try to understand what I'm doing lol). Grounding that blue means you'll always have a complete circuit.

Thanks Tim!

Glad I could help Eric.  Most people wouldn't understand why it needs to be done, nor do they care to understand why.  The 06-07 is so much easier to mod the harness to have the fog lights come on with your parking lights.  No soldering is required.  All you need to do is ground the blue wire and you're done.

So after reading through this long ass thread I didn't see a post about this. (hopefully I didn't just miss it since my eyes are blurry now LOL). I'm in Canada so our cars come with DRL's, by default it is wired to the highbeam and is activated as long as the car is on and handbrake is released. My fogs are installed and fully functional as per default Honda wiring. What I would like to do is have my DRL work with my fogs instead of the highbeam and be able to still turn the fogs off/on once lowbeams are on. This is because once you turn on lowbeams, the DRL is deactivated so I would like to be able to use fogs in inclement weather. Thanks guys! (especially Tim, cause I'm guessing you're the one who's gonna figure this out for me  :D)

Ground the blue wire going into the relay.  What you want is basically my setup.  The fogs work when my parking lights are on and DRL's.

In this setup, the DRL is only the fogs right? I've seen the DIY's about grounding the blue wire in the switch so that it can be operated without parking or lowbeams on. Also which relay would I be grounding it into?

I'll look into it when I have some free time.  Is yours an 03-05 or 06-07?

He has the 03-05 Cananananananadian version.

Yeah. It's pretty obvious actually.

Yes it's an 05 Sedan. Take your time, it's not a rush project, just something I wanted to do to be a little more "unique"  :D

I gathered that from another thread where he copied my Plastidipped grill along with the DRL reference. I gotz decent memoriez.

Blue wire from relay in engine bay grounded.

Blue wire in switch grounded.

For shits and giggles red from switch to a 12V source and you can turn them on whenever you want and I believe they won't turn off when you turn on high beams. I haven't done it yet.

The fog light wiring for 05 is different than the 06.

 Woops. :gay2:

It is indeed very different and slightly more confusing. I'll try taking a look at it during my lunch break or something.

Just keep me updated if you guys figure this one out.  8-)

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Looks like:

white/grn from relay to a +12V
red/grn from relay to a +12V

And you can turn it on when you want. The illumination control on the switch is where Tim can jump in. He can also probably give you an easier way of doing it.

It's a bit different with the Canadian Accords and how he wants it to function.  Again, I'll have to take a look at the wiring and stuff when I have time.  I'm traveling for work right now and just a bit busy right now to spend any time thumbing through service manuals right now.

Hey Tim, just wondering if you've had a chance to look into this for me?

I have not. Do me a favor and shoot me a pm tomorrow sometime as a reminder. I have a few conference calls in the morning, but I should be free enough the rest of the day to look into it.

I could send a harassing text as well.  ;)

did you send him that harassing text Z? lol Tim, not sure if you got my PM the other day to remind you... but if not... can you please check into this at some point? :P

I haven't. I was never asked to but he is a busy guy. He hasn't forgotten about you.

Sorry, I have been very busy lately.  I haven't really had much time off between work and family over the past few weeks.  I'll try to look through my electrical service manual though.

No problem dude. I was just wondering if my pm went through... when I was pm'ing back and forth with billy he said there were a couple of times where it didn't show I had sent one. Once again, this is not a rush project so no need to prioritize it at all. Whenever you have the time.

I ordered the cheap ebay fogs, okay, so I threw out the switch harness and relay because they were obviously the wrong set and I've read plenty about them causing problems.
I ordered the OEM harness and switch but when I go to order the relay, they are $40 each! What I am willing to do is create my own relay basically from parts, but what I need to know is the wiring schematic for each of them.

Can anyone tell me wha the diagram looks like or do they know what wire does what, such as which two are the coil and the other two are NO (normally open) or NC (normally closed) I have found through searching that one is NC and I would say because its when the High beams come on, it wants to turn off the fogs. I hjust need to know whether the blue or brown is which one and which pair is the coil and if there are any jumpers at the relay.

I think the Honda parts pages usually list which one is NO and NC.  The wiring diagram (circuit schematics) are on the last page of the installation guide.  You can download it from College Hills Honda's site.  If you're planning on using the fog lights like the stock set up, then you will need 2 relays.  If you want to modify the fog lights to turn on with your parking lights and stay on with your high beams, then you only need only relay and you can modify the wiring harness.  On a side note, contact Ryan or Rich at Auto Fair Honda and have them quote you a price for the relays.  They'll get you the best deal possible and price match any other site.

No wonder everyone likes you Tim :) thanks for the quick response too sir
Yes, I would like to oprate my fogs independently. I did see how some people modified the switch at the dash, but you have the better idea of just modifying the harness to skip right past the mechanics of the relay.
I did locate one relay notes NC but in that diagram, it doesn't show the location, just in a list. I did have trouble finding the installation guide however.
You sir, are saving me even more money which just means money to be spent some other mod :p

You haven't been here long.  Nobody likes me.  They just tolerate me.


You can do it many different ways, but modifying the harness and connecting it a different way in the fuse box is the way I've preferred to do it.  I also looked on the Majestic site, and the NO relay is like $32.  The easiest way to do what you want is to just get the NO relay and modify the cabin harness.  You don't have to modify the engine bay harness or connect the other relay.


So, here's how you would have your fog lights act as your DRL's, yet function normally when your headlights are on.  Here's the easiest way to do what you want.  The wire from the DRL relay to turn your DRL's on in your high beams goes to the left high beam bulb.  On the left high beam bulb harness there is a Red/Black wire.  You cut that wire a few inches from the harness that plugs into the high beam.  The end of the wire that goes to the high beam, you ground.  The end of the wire that goes into the harness (back to the relay), you run to the NO relay on the fog light wire harness and tap that into the green wire.

This way, instead of turning your high beam bulbs on, it will trigger your relays to turn on.  Even if your fog light switch is in the off position, your fog lights will turn on as your DRL's.  When you turn your headlights on, everything will continue to act normally.

If you were a little closer, I'd help you out.  Unfortunately, when I'm in Canada, I'm usually in Windsor.

Thanks for the info Tim! So by left light you mean when facing the car from the front (that would be passenger side) or from inside the car (driver's side)? As for the connections, I think I get what you're saying... I'd ground the wire that I'm cutting off the actual high-beam side to the chassis then run the harness side into the green wire (which would be the NO relay?) on the foglight harness inside the cabin?

I'm not the best with wiring but splicing wires is not a problem, just wanna make sure I know which ones need to be cut. Thanks again dude!

Left side is driver's side. The wire that comes from the high beam bulb side is grounded and the wire from the harness side goes to the green wire on the NO relay of the fog harness.

Hey guys, I am wondering if anybody has the part numbers for the OEM fog light harnesses? Will I need a OEM switch or can I use the cheapo one that came with my aftermarket kit?

If you're going to use OEM harnesses, you'll need the OEM switch.

I love how people like to save 4 bucks by using a non-oem switch versus an oem one.  If you're going the oem route, go all the way.

Use the OEM switch.  We can't give you part numbers until we know what year Accord you have.  Sorry.  :confused:

Sorry about that, I have a 2006.

08V31-SDA-10130       FOGLIGHT SWITCH HARNESS      
08V31-SDA-10131        FOGLIGHT HARNESS      
08V31-SDA-1M035        SWITCH, FOGLIGHT

You're welcome.

Dont for get the relay.  ;D

39795-SB2-003

Meh. Relays are overrated.

So are working fog lights.

True.

Sorry for the delay, I've been busy as hell!

 Thanks for your help Tim and Z. BTW Z, I still haven't installed the springs yet.. someday soon.  :laugh:

What's the best place to buy H11 yellow halogen light bulbs for my fogs? One of my light bulbs blew out and do I'd figure I'd switch to yellow bulbs.

Depends on how much much you want to spend. PIAA bulbs are like $80. I had Nokya Hyper Yellows (~$20) in my fogs and they are yellow. I still have them (yes they are used) but if you want to try em out and see if you like the color without having to drop cash you can have them.

I'll text you Eric.

Does anybody have any experience with Luminics JDM H11 yellow bulbs? 

I'm just going to buy the bulbs off of amazon, since I can get free shipping.

I have tried nokya 2500k there decent if your looking for the deep jdm, yellow look

Okay guys, the seller that I bought my inspires from threw in a set of what I am assuming are nokya h11 55w yellow bulbs. Has anyone replaced their fog light glass lense with polycarbonate and is running those bulbs? I used lexan and it literally melted it...

I've had that happen before with plastic lenses.  Those Nokya bulbs get pretty hot.  Your best bet is to go back to glass lenses if you want to use those bulbs.

I was thinking of painting the plastic around the fogs to match my car...can i paint over the plastic or does it need a little sanding?

A good sanding and some adhesion promoter.

S
Yeah they do. I held a sheet of lexan to a flame and it didn't seem to be affected. I want to avoid the glass lense as mine broke within two days of installation. If this doesn't workout I'll go back to halogen bulbs and use yellow polycarbonate sheets

That might be your best bet man.

So question for the wiring pros.

I have a 2003 EX and I currently have the OEM fog lights with OEM harness that I had installed a few years ago and last night just picked up a set of retrofitted fog lights with Lexus IS300 projectors that I would like to have run independently so I could use the fog lights as DRL in addition to not have them flick on and off when I switch to my high beams.  Any advice/input is greatly appreciated and thank you in advanced!

Here's how you do it:
http://www.v6performance.net/forums/7th-generation-honda-accord-2003-2007/4179-oem-fog-light-mod.html (http://www.v6performance.net/forums/7th-generation-honda-accord-2003-2007/4179-oem-fog-light-mod.html)

So in the off-season, I'd like to throw in some HIDs for my Inspire-style fogs.  Anyone have any recommendations on a ballast and bulb brand that's good bang for the buck?  I don't need suggestions on what type of light color I'm going for, just recommendations on brands or kits.  Thanks team.

Can't go wrong with the morimoto stuff from TRS.

I have the "Stanley" stamped replicas on mine and the glare like a mofo (I have DDM 35w 3000k). I mean, I have 'em pretty low and I am definitely blinding other drivers lol.

I assume you need some sort of adapters to make the hids pnp for the fog housings?

What do you mean by adapters? Just get an H11 HID kit, it will work fine. The problem is you don't have a shield over the bulb, so the glare is really crazy. I've seen some places that sell "shielded HID bulbs" but I think its more of a gimmick than actually doing anything.

^This.

My brain is off when I post sometimes.  Was thinking AMP -> D2S connectors for some reason.

Still looking for decent pnp HID bulbs, prolly 5,000k.  Who's running what in their fogs?  Give impressions / pics.  I'm a visual learner.

I would recommend morimoto 3five for the fog lights they are worth every penny and highly reliable .the slim built in igniters makes a easy clean install. I like there design  technology  over most competitors,

Agreed. I'm currently running DDM tuning 35w 5000k in my fogs but when they die, the morimotos will take their place.

Z, don't you have projectors custom built into your fog housings?  I won't be going the projector route, just plannin on sticking whatever I get into the stock housing.  They're on H11 base, right? (I'm blanking now)

I did. Replaced those with OEM replicas. They're h11.