Tanabe DF210 Springs -- Advice.

[CYANiDE]

http://throwdownperformance.com/index.p ... ucts_id=63

2.0" Front. 1.7" Rear.

I'm interested in this since it's only $210. I know coilovers, coilovers, I just don't have $$ for 'em.

I wanted to know if I'd need a camber kit with that drop. I'm not thinking I will, but if I have to then I might as well go with coilovers. I basically want to drop on these springs, slap on some 8th gen V6 coupe wheels with hub-centric spacers.

Any/all advice is welcome.

Thanks!

[MyNameIsThien]

Any drop will need a rear camber. May I ask why you would want to run spacers?

[slipkord]

Thien is the man, listen to him. Camber kits are your friend

[CYANiDE]

Any drop will need a rear camber. May I ask why you would want to run spacers?

Want to make the wheels come out more. I've seen a 7.5 gen running 8th gen V6 rims and I'd want them to be closer to the fender. Not "flush" but at bit more outward if you understand what I'm saying. If I'm getting a camber kit, I might buy these springs for now and switch out to Tein Basics in the future.

Should I go with a 3-arm from get go?

[Asim]

There are plenty of $200 springs to look at with the larger type drops:

Tein S Tech
Neuspeed Race
Eibach Sportline

[MyNameIsThien]

I don't condone wheel spacers. The reason being is that you shortening the lug nut to stud ratio. Meaning the lug nut is held on by short threads on the stud. Second, majority of spacers does not sit on the hub bore. Thus, the weight of the wheels are all on the studs. With the spacers, the whole wheel will stick out an even rate. When you drop your car, the rear camber will go in negative. Now, you will be putting more stress on the studs because the angle of the wheel and tire have change. If you were to correct camber, you will have less room of clearing the fender. (If you are tucked or have 0 finger gap)

[MyNameIsThien]

If you want to stick out and sit somewhat flush with the fender, try to find a wheel with a higher offset. The offset of each wheel makes a difference in lowering and fender clearance.

[CYANiDE]

There are plenty of $200 springs to look at with the larger type drops:

Tein S Tech
Neuspeed Race
Eibach Sportline

I was looking at Neuspeed Supercup Kit also. But if I'm dropped $700 I might as well get coilovers, no?

I don't condone wheel spacers. The reason being is that you shortening the lug nut to stud ratio. Meaning the lug nut is held on by short threads on the stud. Second, majority of spacers does not sit on the hub bore. Thus, the weight of the wheels are all on the studs. With the spacers, the whole wheel will stick out an even rate. When you drop your car, the rear camber will go in negative. Now, you will be putting more stress on the studs because the angle of the wheel and tire have change. If you were to correct camber, you will have less room of clearing the fender. (If you are tucked or have 0 finger gap)

If you want to stick out and sit somewhat flush with the fender, try to find a wheel with a higher offset. The offset of each wheel makes a difference in lowering and fender clearance.

I didn't know about that. Thanks for the advice, guess I'll stick to just the stock size for now since I really love those wheels. Maybe MB wheels though...thanks for the advice, looks like I'll still keep lookin' for a better suspension.

[Asim]

There are plenty of $200 springs to look at with the larger type drops:

Tein S Tech
Neuspeed Race
Eibach Sportline

I was looking at Neuspeed Supercup Kit also. But if I'm dropped $700 I might as well get coilovers, no?

I don't condone wheel spacers. The reason being is that you shortening the lug nut to stud ratio. Meaning the lug nut is held on by short threads on the stud. Second, majority of spacers does not sit on the hub bore. Thus, the weight of the wheels are all on the studs. With the spacers, the whole wheel will stick out an even rate. When you drop your car, the rear camber will go in negative. Now, you will be putting more stress on the studs because the angle of the wheel and tire have change. If you were to correct camber, you will have less room of clearing the fender. (If you are tucked or have 0 finger gap)

If you want to stick out and sit somewhat flush with the fender, try to find a wheel with a higher offset. The offset of each wheel makes a difference in lowering and fender clearance.

I didn't know about that. Thanks for the advice, guess I'll stick to just the stock size for now since I really love those wheels. Maybe MB wheels though...thanks for the advice, looks like I'll still keep lookin' for a better suspension.

I didn't say the supercup kit. I was just talking about the springs on their own. I'd cross shop the springs I listed, I am sure you can find them for similar prices or even less if used..

[CYANiDE]

I didn't say the supercup kit. I was just talking about the springs on their own. I'd cross shop the springs I listed, I am sure you can find them for similar prices or even less if used..

I know that, I'm just saying I was looking at the Supercup kit. Their springs do offer a lower drop, and the link is just for reference that I put up, haven't shopped for prices yet since I'm not set on which I want. I'm thinking of just saving up for coils now. Might as well do it right the first time.

[Icebox]

I'm thinking of just saving up for coils now. Might as well do it right the first time.

that was my thought process when i dropped my car, no point in wasting money cause you want the lowered car and dont feel like spending the money on what you need to do it right.

[Mike]

I'm thinking of just saving up for coils now. Might as well do it right the first time.

that was my thought process when i dropped my car, no point in wasting money cause you want the lowered car and dont feel like spending the money on what you need to do it right.

I wouldn't consider the Cup Kit (or similar) not doing it right. It's comparable or better than most coils in my opinion. You just can get as low. Springs on stock shocks is the wrong way to go but, a good shock and spring combo is a great alternative to coils.

[Icebox]

I'm thinking of just saving up for coils now. Might as well do it right the first time.

that was my thought process when i dropped my car, no point in wasting money cause you want the lowered car and dont feel like spending the money on what you need to do it right.

I wouldn't consider the Cup Kit (or similar) not doing it right. It's comparable or better than most coils in my opinion. You just can get as low. Springs on stock shocks is the wrong way to go but, a good shock and spring combo is a great alternative to coils.

true but he wasnt talking about the kit, he was talking about just the springs with stock struts, hence my statement.

[alpha]

If what you are looking for out of coilovers is just ride height adjustability, you could look at getting ground control sleeves with the supercup kit.  Or ground control sleeves with any spring/strut combination.

Also, with wheel spacers, there are many options when it comes to wheel spacers.  I would agree with Thien on finding wheels with a lower offset if you want to sit flush with the fender.  But if those are the wheels you like, then get spacers.  Just make sure you get quality spacers and that they are hubcentric and not lugcentric.  Some spacers include built in studs and other spacers do not.  The spacers that include built in studs have holes for your factory studs to go through and you tighten the spacer down to the hub with nuts.  Depending on the wheel style, you may have to cut your lug studs down so you can fit your wheel.  Here's a video a friend of mine that helps explain what I mean:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Kiw8PD7Iw&feature=related

*Note: there are some things in the video he explains in the description, such as its not recommended to use a torque wrench to break torque.

If the wheel spacer doesn't have built in studs, then you'll need to use extended lug studs.  This requires replacing your factory studs with longer ones.

Both of those prevent shortening the lug nut to stud ratio.  Do not use spacers with the factory lug studs.

[CYANiDE]

Thanks for the advice guys. I think I'm just going to wait and shop around more and narrow down what I'm considering. I really do feel like I should go with coils...