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Title: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Skippy on May 05, 2009, 01:45:38 PM
To all new members, and all existing members reading this for the first time, welcome to Elite CM!

My name is Steve (though most everybody calls me 'Skippy'), and I am one of four individuals who started this forum with our administrator Tim.

I'd like to give a chronological account of how we came about, what our mission is, and how we intend to fulfill our goals.

First and foremost, we cannot forget our roots.  The founding members of this forum; Timot_One, MyNameIsThien, Myself, and Alpha are all from Gen7accord.com, a web forum dedicated to 7th generation Honda Accords.  With the exception of Alpha, we were all moderators there.  I will be frank about how this started.  News came from the admin that the site was changing and getting hosted in a different format, more geared to social networking.  We, the moderators did not like the idea and strongly urged the Admin to reconsider.  Our requests were not granted and the site was changed over to a new format.  The core elements of the site remained, but we lost something in the process.  The site was now widely popular and could be found by a vast number of people, but a lot of people left for a few reasons, namely because they were used to the old format.  

I still post over at Gen7accord.com occasionally and I would like to clear up one matter once and for all.  Elite CM is not a condemnation of Gen7accord.com.  We are a separate entity who retain some members from that site.  Elite CM is just a name, and we do not advertise that we are better than anybody else.  The name came up as part of a campaign to design a site that would offer a traditional format layout.  We wrestled with many names and eventually we approved the name "Elite CM".  Our philosophy here is to get the right information the first time.  Those who are enlightened by our knowledge become Elite in the same way that we did when we acquired that knowledge.  The right information leads to proper modification techniques, which results in well-modified vehicles that are reliable, powerful, and cost effective.  The traditional builder's triangle only allows for two of the aforementioned positives, and the one you do not choose becomes your con.  We at Elite CM believe that you CAN have all three because if you do something the wrong way, you're really not doing things the right way.  You end up paying more money for something that shouldn't have cost as much.  We do not challenge the system, we re-engineer it.

Our mission is to provide quality technical knowledge in ways that help you modify your car correctly, and even learn a little.  We are not a group of "one-uppers".  We only brag when necessary to prove a point or to laugh a little.  The reason that we started Elite CM is to provide a comprehensive database of knowledge on 7th generation Honda Accords in an environment that suits the user in search of instruction, help, and camaraderie.  This web forum is not a group of users who communicate on a day to day basis.  We are a group of friends looking to expand our knowledge base.  The members that are helping you out are well versed in their fields and only offer the best quality advice and intelligence.

This thread is currently under construction, I am going to have a biography section for all of our administration so that people can get to know who we are as a team.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Icebox on May 05, 2009, 03:30:25 PM
well done!


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on May 05, 2009, 04:58:42 PM
Good story Skippy.  I think we need to add more of the history from when we originally started and before we came popular as a result of the "watering down" of gen7accord.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrackerTeg on May 05, 2009, 06:21:45 PM
Well done Skip. Its actually a good thing you mentioned that we are not a condemnation of g7a. Though some of us feel that is the case (or some non members reading posts by former members of g7a), but like you said, it isn't. I would actually like to see more on this thread. Just a thought, but is there a way to make this a stickie on the main forum page instead of putting it into a subforum? Kind of like a missin statement you know?


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Skippy on May 05, 2009, 06:37:49 PM
I would like to put it up on the front page, but I'm not sure how that would come about...but here are my thoughts:

When you register for ECM, Tim has the system set up to PM the new user with a welcome and I was thinking of inserting this thread link into the PM when I'm done with the thread...it's going to take a little while..it's not complete and I'd like to put in some pretty pictures and stuff like that, plus I want to put in biographies for the admins and mods.  This thread is far from being over, I need to trim down on some things and elaborate on others so this isn't the final product yet.

And yes, Timmy, I will definitely elaborate on our roots a bit more, but I'd like to speak with you to get some input on what I would say.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrazyCreashunz on May 05, 2009, 06:40:02 PM
Nice job Skip...


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrackerTeg on May 05, 2009, 06:40:49 PM
Cool man. However you guys do this works. I think it'll be the first time I see a biography/ background/ mission statement on a forum so props to you sir on throwing this out there.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Skippy on May 05, 2009, 06:53:36 PM
Thanks Billy :)

That's what we're all about, Z.  Traditional forums are full of people who know a lot about cars and how they work, but you never get to meet them and you never really know who they are.  The difference we had on G7A was that it was a clean place to discuss cars and we were happy with it.  Before the switch I was trying to do this over there.  Now that we have our own playground where we make the rules, my ideas will be expressed that much easier.  We're real people here and we want everybody to know who we are.  So far the site has been doing great, we have a fair amount of members and we're comfortable, and now I think it is time to expand and start getting more people in.  Sure it's fun doing stuff on the advanced level, but the world isn't the same without having people to teach in it.  Since I'm working with Innovative on the 4cyl engine mount project, I'm going to spread the word when production begins so that we can attract more people here.  Instead of having the incredibly awesome group buy I'm going to set up with Innovative across multiple sites, it will all be done from here.  The incentive to register with us will be the discount that we'll be getting with the group buy.  Hopefully then we'll attract some keepers and also people new to the arena so we can have people to drop knowledge upon.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrackerTeg on May 05, 2009, 07:00:39 PM
That would be killer if pulled off. As far as the keepers, we have over 140 members, but maybe a good 25% are "active" if you get what I'm saying. I get what you're trying to do, but we may attract new members as a result of the group buy and never see them again. I was thinking of a possible inactive member purge. You know? Maybe even knock off the display of number of members. I kind of see that as an advertisement for a "new" site and may deter future enrollment. I don't know.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Anthony212 on May 05, 2009, 08:54:44 PM
A job well done Skip...


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: mnkyman on May 05, 2009, 09:43:16 PM
good job. just a suggestion, but maybe add why g7a was changing to a new format (due to old software and high sever costs...)


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: rich on May 06, 2009, 10:36:00 AM
Elite CM still PWNZ g7a!!!


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Blackhawk on May 07, 2009, 08:05:45 AM
Great write-up, Skip. I was a late bloomer in the 7th gen Accord ownership circle, however I was quickly able to appreciate the efforts that you and others put into R&D for these cars. I extend my appreciation out to you for sharing your knowledge on this forum.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Skippy on May 07, 2009, 09:13:00 AM
Thank you for all the positive feedback!

I will ammend this thread as stated above because there's a lot that needs to be said and I have a way with writing encyclopedias about stuff and this mission statement should really be short and to the point...I don't want people to be turned away because I go on and on and on and on about stuff...sure I make people suffer through it when I post...but joining shouldn't automatically subject you to it ;)

Rich...this is exactly the kind of crap I don't want to see...I bust my ass defending our reasons for creating a different forum and people like you keep making my job harder...We may not agree with the changes made to G7A and what necessitated this sites' creation, but we have developed a new entitiy not to be considered superior or inferior by anybody.  Trash talking, as on G7A will not be tolerated here.  I know you did not mean to start a fight, but that's what these kinds of statments do..

BTW Thank you JT! It will be good to see you at the end of May!


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Mike on May 07, 2009, 09:31:43 AM
Skippy this is very good to see, and I'm glad that your doing your best to put out the small battle between the two sites there really is no need for it.

Again thank you, and welcome back after your short hiatus.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on May 07, 2009, 10:48:05 AM
I think that Skippy, Thien, Mark, and I need to try and get a chat going to try and outline our history to add to this thread.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Skippy on May 07, 2009, 12:04:14 PM
NP i'll be available on Sunday to do so.  I'll be unavailable until then.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: rich on May 07, 2009, 03:19:48 PM
not to be a dick but everyone is entitled to their own opinions!

and i just think that elitecm has a much better layout now. i'm sure not a lot a people (no offense to Tim) would be on this site if gen7 just stayed the way it was instead of turning into like a "myspace forum". skip i havent met u nor tim but i have nothing against you so dont think i am trying to bash gen7 b/c of the way it is now. i just dont go on it mainly b/c of the format now and all the good useful threads are gone & lost forever.

that's just my .02


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Skippy on May 07, 2009, 04:43:26 PM
FYI Rich...the G7A issue goes way beyond what you've heard and seen...I'm good friends with Timmy and he brought me into the light a long time ago about G7A...Now in our present situation we have control and we're doing things the way we want to...I know you haven't met Timmy or myself, but you're still undermining my efforts to keep issues down between G7A and us.  I don't like trash talking.  Timmy doesn't care about G7A but I'd prefer to keep my reputation intact.  Am I asking too much for you to not say anything about G7A? Yes we had history there, and now we're making history here...just do me a favor and drop it alright?  I know you didn't mean to start a fight...but people misreading stuff starts fights.  I'm walking a thin rope as it is and I just want to keep things civil...


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on May 07, 2009, 05:04:35 PM
Even though I have an "indifferent" attitude about what g7a has become, that doesn't mean that I condone trash talking.  I do however condone promoting and supporting ECM in a postive way.  In short, we don't need to put down others to make ourselves look better.  The proof will be in the pages and we can let people decide what forum they choose to be a part of for information and advice that is specific to their CM Accords.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: rich on May 08, 2009, 10:32:51 AM
then i will just promote EliteCM :)


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on May 08, 2009, 02:43:10 PM
I like that idea.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Fenix on May 08, 2009, 03:33:06 PM
I dig this place so much im gonna get it tatted on me...ok thats a lie, but i am getting the EliteCM.net sticker made.


On a side, but sort of relevent note, Skip you have been SUPER helpful to me in the past with all my questions. Look foward to meeting you in person, sometime in the future
Tim, Ill see you in june, im interested in the numbers your gonna put down


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: lilmalu on May 08, 2009, 06:21:56 PM
This was a good write up. I greatly appreciate the time and effort that the admins have put into creating a site that's dedicated to the 7th gens. I look forward to the extravagant work and infor that you guys will being putting into here.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrazyCreashunz on May 08, 2009, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: "lilmalu"
This was a good write up. I greatly appreciate the time and effort that the admins have put into creating a site that's dedicated to the 7th gens. I look forward to the extravagant work and infor that you guys will being putting into here.
+1000


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Blackhawk on May 12, 2009, 11:07:04 AM
And the guy is great with ballistics too! :P

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y186/xzel/SL740531-1.jpg)


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on May 12, 2009, 11:32:34 AM
I'd make that my desktop picture on my work computer if it wasn't NWS.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Skippy on May 12, 2009, 02:48:34 PM
I'll never forget that day...


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: mitchigan on May 19, 2009, 03:26:48 PM
I guess this is the proper time to ask... Does "CM" stand for something??? Sorry I'm totally lost on that one and I apologize if I was slow to have caught on.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on May 19, 2009, 04:10:26 PM
Yes it does.  CM is the 03-07 Accord chassis code.  I actually just explained this to someone the other day.

CM5 = i4 Sedan
CM6 = V6 Sedan
CM7 = i4 Coupe
CM8 = V6 Coupe


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: mitchigan on May 19, 2009, 04:48:14 PM
*brain light comes on* ohhhh... the "CM#" off the VIN, very thoughtful and creative I always wondered why some people had like CM55 in their sigs. You know I like that, I think I might personalize my plates to my chassis code... i'm a noob


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on May 19, 2009, 05:53:29 PM
Yes, exactly.  It's very clever.  We put a lot of thought into it when we created the forum.  I know you can't get a MI vanity plate with 7TH GEN at least, because it's on my car.  Although, I've always wanted to get something a little less obvious that most people wouldn't pick up on.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Skippy on May 19, 2009, 07:05:26 PM
Although we were thoughtful, the name isn't all that original.  Several honda enthusiasts have designed their forum names (and car clubs) from the chassis codes.  Sites like EPhatch.com, CB7tuner among others get their names from the chassis code.  Scores of shirts have been made advertising DC5's, EP3's, DC2's, EG's, EK's, DA's, they all correspond to a specific car.  It is our own unique brand and it solidifies us in the Honda-verse.

As a remark, I'm only sad I didn't get to post first....I typed a response, then closed the window because something caught my eye and it never got posted....


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on June 29, 2009, 12:42:47 AM
Ummm, what??


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Skippy on June 29, 2009, 01:22:24 AM
+1


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: MyNameIsThien on June 29, 2009, 01:37:36 AM
+2


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrackerTeg on June 29, 2009, 07:58:03 AM
+3?


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on June 29, 2009, 12:52:48 PM
+4

I'll say it again.  What the fuck?


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrackerTeg on June 29, 2009, 12:59:11 PM
LOL


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Jeff Likes Bagels on June 29, 2009, 02:54:34 PM
I haven't been around long enough to see the old style of Gen7Accord, but I have to admit, I loathe the new layout over there! It's like the F from Forum, and the LOG from Blog. Like, a Flog, lol. There's too much freedom around it, so there's always duplicate information, and it's very hard to find the right info.

I found ECM out when I saw a post on Gen7Accord about the DIY for LED interior lights, which linked to here. After that, I browsed the forum a lot more, and noticed how clean and informative every topic and post was. So I decided to ditch g7a, and registered here. As Tim can vouch for, I wasn't really the best new member, lol. I waited for days for my account to be activated, then eventually rage emailed the admin account. So, Tim basically shot me down to the ground with a link showing what I was SUPPOSED to do to become activated, lol.

So here I am now, browsing the site every day, looking for a new interesting mod/topic about the Gen7's! Maybe one day when I become very experienced like Tim, Skippy, Thien, and all you other people, I'll be the one providing the help!


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Skippy on June 29, 2009, 06:24:38 PM
We're glad to have you here, Jeff, thanks for the kind words!  We're still in our relative infancy, things are going rather slow at the moment.  We transferred the good information from the old G7A before it was taken down, and we're trying to get everything in place here.  There are a few stubs that need to be worked on, and a few threads that need to be brought back from the dead, but pretty much we're concentrated G7A refugees.  This is the way the old forum used to be...when we were there taking care of it.  ECM started as an offshoot of G7A when the moderator team became frustrated with the future plans for the site.  As you can see, the moderator team has migrated here and we're doing our jobs in this haven for the way we liked things.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrackerTeg on June 29, 2009, 09:55:37 PM
Yup. And the new gen7space doesn't have ANY mods because they're all here.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on October 06, 2009, 04:09:48 PM
I'm probably going to be changing my vanity plate to something like M62 K24 on the next round.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrackerTeg on October 06, 2009, 05:21:01 PM
Quote from: "timot_one"
I'm probably going to be changing my vanity plate to something like M62 K24 on the next round.

Haha, nice.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: redHFPcm7 on August 02, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
i never really like gen7accord lol



Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrackerTeg on August 02, 2010, 02:48:39 PM
Were you on before the switch? Just an FYI, don't bash. There was a thread around a while back that turned into a bash fest and quickly got removed.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on August 02, 2010, 04:09:55 PM
i never really like gen7accord lol

It was good back in the day when I first became a moderator over there.  The real problem is that Art is just lazy and didn't really put much effort into it.  I believe that he changed the format to what it is today because there is less maintenance.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: (K) on September 28, 2010, 06:36:06 PM
That's some good history.

I, for one, have gone through a few layout changes in my "forum career" as well. Most of the time it's acceptable but when it's something radical it really confuses the members and even detracts from the content of the site. Some people might say "it's the same content just a different layout", but in reality if you aren't comfortable with it then you won't contribute like you used to.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on March 23, 2012, 01:39:09 AM
I just wanted to bump this thread.  As some of you guys may know, a little over a month ago Art was going to shut down gen7accord.net.  I offered to take over the domain and responsibilities.  After the switch over, traffic on gen7accord.net had dwindled down to people barely posting.  I decided to take the confusing ning format down, and have a redirect page for gen7accord.net bring people to EliteCM.net with an explanation about what happened and an invitation to join here.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: thisaznboi88 on March 23, 2012, 03:13:15 AM
Die Ning :flip: :flip:

good stuff Tim


Title: Re: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrackerTeg on March 23, 2012, 07:37:07 AM
I saw that ban bot on the site and was curious about it.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: ikethegreat on March 23, 2012, 07:57:59 AM
What happened to quality over quantity?   :(


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: gargantula99 on March 23, 2012, 08:27:25 AM
Guaranteed a lot if those people won't post anything worth while in here.  But that's just my 2 cents.


Title: Re: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrackerTeg on March 23, 2012, 08:58:23 AM
That's what we're here for.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: HEcreated487 on March 23, 2012, 12:05:09 PM
Good stuff Tim!  If the posting has been significantly reduced on gen7accord, the traffic redirected to ECM shouldn't be tremendous (in a good way :))... As Ike commented on and Z responded to, ECM will still retain more of quality than quantity, IMO.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: alpha on March 23, 2012, 12:56:02 PM
What happened to quality over quantity?   :(
Guaranteed a lot if those people won't post anything worth while in here.  But that's just my 2 cents.
Guys, the purpose of this forum is to provide an environment that is both welcoming and nonjudgmental.  We have become a tight-knit group of folks that share the same interest, and sometimes our posts may portray judgement.  We may tease each other and post jokes, but I think that is more of a statement of how close we have become.  BUT please, please do not misconstrue this as free reign to talk down about others.

We are not here to judge; we are here to educate.  The forum was started with the idea of having an environment that people can feel comfortable during their visit and to learn something.  We want to educate people when they have questions; and to provide advice that is both proper and safe.

And why does it have to be quality over quantity or vice versa?  Why can't we have both quantity and quality?  We strive to break the boundaries, so why set a limit on ourselves?  

If we can gain members that feel this site can be a place to learn without fear of asking stupid questions, we also gain members that feel comfortable enough to share their knowledge; in that case, I welcome new members.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: ikethegreat on March 23, 2012, 02:29:44 PM
Got mine today too.  For the record, I'd rather have quality over quantity.

Straight from the horse's mouth from the elitecm.net card thread...  I didn't just pull it out of my ass...


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: alpha on March 23, 2012, 04:52:38 PM
Got mine today too.  For the record, I'd rather have quality over quantity.

Straight from the horse's mouth from the elitecm.net card thread...  I didn't just pull it out of my ass...
I know you didn't, but I've always taken that to mean quality information over quantity of repeated threads; which is why we have so many, "Official [Topic] Thread" threads.  

We always strive to provide accurate and safe information.  If that means we have to grow in member size in order for people to learn from our plethora of technical information, then cool.  We have a lot of info here, but we could always use more; so if some of the new members can contribute, then that's awesome.  

All I'm saying is let's not generalize about our potential new members; let's give them a chance before we automatically assume that they don't know anything.  Given how we operate, natural forum attrition will keep the people that want to learn and want to contribute vs. the people that are following fads.  At least, that's what I would like to see as our forum grows.  I'm not saying that we should turn out like V6P; but I believe that we can grow in size without losing our forum character.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: CrackerTeg on March 23, 2012, 06:42:00 PM
Agreed. I have seen some pretty good stuff in the currently deceased g7aspace but I've also seen some pure shit. That's the case with any forum. Like we have always done, we'll help steer a thread in the right direction if it goes astray as well as direct previously asked questions to the appropriate area. Who knows, there may be something we haven't already seen or heard done before and that comes with new minds being added to the mix.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: Mike on March 23, 2012, 08:56:28 PM
More members will be a good thing maybe someone already here will see a new mod they like... The more ideas flowing the better.


Title: Re: The Elite CM story (New members should read this)
Post by: timot_one on March 24, 2012, 12:13:11 AM
What happened to quality over quantity?   :(

I do want to be clear about one thing. Please don't view this as an attempt to get more members. I could care less about how many people join. I take the time to comb through the member list and delete accounts of non posting members that have never signed on or haven't visited the site in the past 6 months.

The main reason why all this happened is because I found out that Art was going to abandon g7a because it was too expensive for him. Since I was one of the original members and moderators of g7a, I saw this as an opportunity to keep the name for nostalgic reasons. At the same time, if people like the forum style format and want to come over here, they are welcome to join. Of they want to go elsewhere, then that is their business.

I will always keep the philosophy of quality over quantity. I just want to be able to share our community with anyone interested in becoming a part of it.


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