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I was thinking we need a sticky thread where we can have lists of recommended or "good" tires for a variety of performance categories.  Shopping for tires can be dizzying with all of the brands, sizes, and performance ratings.  For now lets have "Summer" and "All-Season" categories.  I'm not a tire expert so I will need the help of others to submit their suggestions and I will add them to the appropriate lists.

Summer Tires    
BFGoodrich g-force sport
BFGoodrich g-force T/A KDW
General Exclaim UHP
Yokohama S.drive
Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
Bridgestone Potenza RE-11
Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Pole Positions
Bridgestone Potenza 760 Sport
Kumho Ecsta SPT
Falken FK-452
Kumho Ecsta XS
Hankook Ventus V12 Evo
Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec

All-Season Tires
Yokohama S.4
Continental ContiExtremeContact
Falken Ziex ZE-912
Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position
Bridgestone Potenza G019 Grid
Bridgestone Turanza w/ Serenity
BFG gForce SuperSport AS

Winter Tires
Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60
Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22
Bridgestone Blizzak LM-25

My vote for Winter is Bridgestone Blizzak WS60

I posted an all-in-one thread for this here: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=441 (http://elitecm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=441)

lol

I saw. I'm thinking it would be better if we have a sticky just about tires and not wheels...as your thread seems to be mostly about "hey do you like these wheels" type of posts. I'm trying to make a database of tires for people to quickly reference.

I just drove on those in a Mazda Speed 6 we just got in, almost brand new.  They're a good looking tire and seemed to perform well in the lil storm we had here. This was the first time I had seen or heard of them.

Kinda funny how I have BF Goodrich g-Force Sports on my summer wheels and Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Positions on my winter wheels.

I run BFG G-Force Sports on all my sets, whether they are OEM Wheels or aftermarket. Got Falken ze-912 all season 215/50/17 on a set of EX-Ls in case I ever have to go up north during the winter though.

Summer Tires

Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
Bridgestone Potenza RE-11
Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Pole Positions
Bridgestone Potenza 760 Sport

All Season Tires

Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Positions
Bridgestone Potenza G019 Grid
Bridgestone Turanza w/ Serenity

Snow Tires

Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60
Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22
Bridgestone Blizzak LM-25

I work for Bridgestone/Firestone.  

Yoko S-Drives. very predictable at limit in dry and wet conditions. wear excellent and a rather quiet for a ultra high performance summer tire

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp ... el=S.drive (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=S.drive)

225/55-16 on the stock EX wheels are plenty for me on the street. Excellent value if you ask me

Can this get a sticky please?

So far I can review the following:

BF Goodrich G-Force Sport 245/45/17 and 265/35/18
Great balance of sound, grip, and wear. Great value too! 4 out of 5 stars

Falken Ziex ZE-912 215/50/17
Extremely quiet, wears like iron, and decent grip for the treadwear and price. 4 out of 5 stars

You may want to toss the idea of including prices.  Different sizes have different pricing, and prices change with the fluctuating economy.  Just my opinion, but there are too many variables when it comes to tire prices to even list a range.

True. I thought about this.  For instance the price of a tire can range from $60-$150 depending on the size. Hrm...I'll delete the prices.

I will also throw in my recommendation for BFG G-force sports.  I will be purchasing my second set at the beginning of next month.

as much as I loved that tire It wore too fast for the amount of dry and espacially wet grip that it provided. I found the Yoko S-drives to be of much beter value handling, noise and wear characteristic wise. It's much quiter, provides a lot more wet grip with less noise [haven't noticed much of a difference in dry grip], and after 5k I haven't even seen a dent in the thread wear where as with the G-sports I'd be getting ready to rotate for the second time. I know tire choice is a difficult decision but look it up and see if you might end up being interested in a set

here's a link

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp ... el=S.drive (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=S.drive)

It's supposed to be the new and improved E100 with yokos latest in-house technology.

that's interesting that you mention the wear... S.drives are rated 300 while G-forces are rated 340.  Reading Tire-Rack's reviews, they are rated better than the G-forces, but the number of people who reviewed G-forces is 4x greater than the number of people who reviewed the S.drives.  I'll take these into consideration...perhaps I need to expand my tire horizons.

Its Bridgestone or nothing Skippy.

I have the Falken 912 and I like em.  no prob so far after 50k on em.

The S-Drive hasn't been out as long as the G-Force hence the difference in review numbers. And tread wear numbers aren't completely standardized among manufacturers

"When looking at UTQG ratings it is important to realize that the Department of Transportation does not conduct the tests. The grades are assigned by the tire manufacturers based on their test results or those conducted by an independent testing company they have hired. The NHTSA has the right to inspect the tire manufacturer's data and can fine them if inconsistencies are found. While most new tire lines have their grades established when they are introduced, they are allowed a 6-month grace period to allow the tire manufacturer to test actual production tires. Once a grade is assigned it must be branded on the tire's upper sidewall and printed on its label.

Unfortunately, the rating that is of the most interest to consumers is the one that appears to be the least consistent. While the Treadwear Grade was originally intended to be assigned purely scientifically, it has also become a marketing tool used by manufacturers to help position and promote their tires."

and here's a link to it if you're interested in reading more http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/ ... ?techid=48 (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=48)

Does anyone have any experience with the Michelin Energy MXV4 S8's?

I bought a set from a guy for $90 each with about 500 miles on them i think and I just want to know if anyone has used them before

As much as I like BFG tires, Falkens are growing on me at a ridiculous pace. Running Azenis ST-115s on my 19" Uberblades and they are downright amazing. Wear like Iron and stick like a dream for a 360AA tire, much like the ZE-912s. I will be getting ZE912s for my TLs because they weigh less and are not directional, but I will be replacing my uberwide tires with Falkens when they wear out, period. These tires have an uber rim lip protector that I like too.

Well..they're only slightly different in tread design from the standard Energy tires that come standard with some of the accords.  I can tell you hands down that The Michelin Energy MXV4 standard tires suck beyond comparison....perhaps they're better with wider wheels but I have SEVERAL gripes with them and I will never buy that tire again.

Here are my complaints:

Tread pattern is not suited for a 16x6 wheel....horrible wheelspin in wet conditions.
Due to the ridiculous intricacy of the tread pattern, it will come off in chunks.  It's so bad that I'm pretty confident that I could give expert testimony in a court of law that these tires were on a suspect's vehicle...because I have NEVER seen a tire on a Honda or Acura wear in this way.  These tires also came stock on the 04 and 05 TSX and possibly higher year models (but I'm not 100% sure) and they all exhibit this trademark wear pattern within the middle of their usable life.  By the time they're 2/3 to 3/4 of their usable life, they look ragged and torn up..chunks of tread missing everywhere.  I only wish I had a picture to show how gross they look.

Granted other tires may exhibit this phenomenon, but I've worked in the industry for 4 years and this is the only tire that I've seen this kind of wear with.

Oh well. That just means I'll have to either get new tires sooner or do my wheels and tires as my next upgrade

I have gone through several brands of tires, so I'll tell you about all of them.

Bridgestone Turanza EL41 205/60/16 (stock tires):
Pros: Last forever due to crappy (yes, crappy) treadwear! Resists hydroplaning for the most part.
Cons: Not grippy at all

Kumho Ecsta AST 225/40/18:
Pros: Good balance of treadwear and grip. Aggressive tread design and low noise.
Cons: May not be sticky enough for you weekend warriors. It's an all season tire afterall.

Kumho Ecsta ASX 225/40/18:
Pros: Lasts a while due to higher treadwear but with the trade off of less grip.  Great tread design that resists hydroplaning.
Cons:Not as sticky as the ASTs. Somewhat noisy and tend to pull to the ruts in the road.

Falken Ziex ZE-912s 225/40/18:
Pros: Stickyyyy and quiet
Cons: Tires don't last too long due to lower tread wear

BFGoodrich T/A KDW 225/45/18:
Pros: Suuuuuuuuuuuper sticky. Aggressive tread design, quiet, and resists hydroplaning.
Cons: None so far.  Still running these. Around 2k miles with the tires on and no issues thus far.

Can anyone speak for the Falken FK452 ?

They seem to be liked on some other forums.

A few CR reviews for everyone to look at.  

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I'm having a hard time deciding on some new tires.  I've decided to go with a performance all-season tire due to better treadwear.  I've been reading on many of the big online sites.  I'm trying to decide which review carry more weight....the tire rack reviews from their test track or the consumer survey reviews.  Often the highest ranking tires according to TR track tests are not the highest ranking tires on the consumer surveys.  

I've narrowed my selection to the following:

Yokohama H4S  $102
Yokohama W4S  $102
BF gforce super-sport A/S  $105
ContiExtremeContact (current tires) $100
Goodyear Eagle GT  $100
Bridgestone Potenza G019 Grid  $125

Thoughts?

Bridgestone Potenza G019 Grid. I personally have these on my TL Type S rims, and I have to say they perform really well all year around. Heavy snow, It got me through with ease. Dry weather, it gripped and hugged the road greatly even with my S/C.

I ended up going with the continentals again. On sale for $89 in a 235/45/17 tire from onlinetires.com.

DONT BUY NANKANG TIRES....

These tires where purchased last September 2008 with the VSR wheel and look at them now 6-7-09.

Wear over time was okay considering the amount of driving I do daily.  However, the down side is look at how they break/split apart.  It’s F-ing scary!!!

I did hit a nice sized pot hole but dam and this is the good tire I took a picture of…  The one I had to replace had four splits in totals.  3 on the out side in the last but biggest in side where the rim bent.
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LOOK THEY ARE NOT OLD TIRES!!!!
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The damage:
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I could've told you not to get Nankangs. Sorry for the bad tires.

Has anyone ever had Cooper Tires. My Dad is an engineer there, so I get a good discount. I think that I am going to get them but Im not sure. He says that they are actually good tires, but you dont hear much about them, I know that they make the tires for the Roush Mustangs. I am going to get a 235/45/17 in this tire (http://coopertire.com/html/products/tires_uhp.aspx?page=zeon_zpt&search=bySize&twtd=235&artw=45&rd=17), if I go Cooper. I get them for $80.00/tire with free installation, so its tempting.

In all honosty. Cooper tires aren't that great. I've seen a lot of bad things with Cooper tires. Tread seperation, blow outs for no reason, very crappy wear.

That's what I have always thought. I have a feeling he is just saying that because he works there. We have never owned a set, so I have no clue. He has nothing to do with making the tire, so I don't know how he would know if they are good tires. I like BFG GSports a lot, based off apearence. I don't rePly want to hurt his feelings by not getting his companies tires, but he is not buying them so I won't feel that bad.

Reputable companies I would go with are as follows: Bridgestone, Yokohama, BF Goodrich, Nitto, and Falkens

I got the Cooper Zeon Sport A/S tires and havent had/experienced any of those type of problems.

--> Ibcnunv

That gash looks like you hit something metal on the road...Thien could tell better than me though.  I detail a couple cars on a regular basis and I saw a very similar gash on a set of Bridgestone tires.

--> Thien

I'm sort of surprised you listed Nitto and Falken.  The past month I spend about an hour a day reading tire reviews from many forums ranging from Honda to Nissan to BMW.  First off, trying to make sense of tire reviews is exhausting and confusing as shit!  You can have one positive review for a tire and the next person say it is complete shit.  Anyways, from what I read it seems folks like the Nitto Invo and Neo-gen tires...not sure about the rest.  Falken is interesting too.  Some people love Falken (FK-452 and ZE-912)...others say they do not wear well and are cheap.  I got the feeling that Nitto and Falken are considered so-so tires by most....but hell I don't work in the industry like you do.  

The problem with tire reviews is that the available data is so variable.  You have company reviews on test tracks (TR), consumer reviews (which may not be accurate) and the industry standards (UTQG) do not appear to be uniform.  You have tires with a wear rating of 300 outlasting tires with a rating of 380...and tires with a traction rating of "A" having better grip in test results than tires labled "AA".  

Craziness!

The reason why I listed the Falken and Nitto is due to the fact they are pretty cheap, and they do perform as well as most. The wear on them I do agree do not last long at all. The mass confusion why some tires with lower treadwear rating last longer then some with higher treadwear rating is behind the tire itself. Its all about how the tire is made, and the compounds that are used in them. It also depends on the car as well. Some cars tend to wear tires faster then other. Mainly smaller compact cars, because they use more power to push or pull the tires. Smaller tires has more rolling inertia then bigger tires.

So the company I ordered tires from didn't have the contis in stock. Went with the BFG gforce sport for $96 each.

Good choice compared to the Conti.

It seems you don't care for Conti tires. Why so? The ExtremeContacts have good reviews...

I now feel like a total sucker because I paid $600 for;

(4) Nankang tires
(4) Valves
Mounting & Balancing

Live and learn. I will never buy tires from a local shop again.  They jack up the prices so much compared to tirerack or discount tire direct.  I can buy 4 tires online for the price of 2 locally.

Toyo Proxes 4 all seasons for me! Work like a charm, sun rain or snow. Though my car has only actually driven through snow once or twice.

Yes, it may have gotten good reviews, but in the long run, those tires do not last long. They have a tendicy to wear unevenly, and it wears down fast. Sure it may grip, but is it really worth it lasting only 10k miles.

my dad has them on his camry, 215/55/17, and they have been great. I think that he has about 8K miles on the car so far and they have about 80% of their tread left. He drives very conservatively though.

So all and all I need some in 235/45/18......what would be the best all season to get? I've been really
checking into Falken and BFG but can't decide.

Well, I cannot personally disagree with any of your claims.  I've never owned this tire from new to old...but the used ones I got with my TL rims all have uneven tread wear....sides wearing out faster than middle...not sure if that is from under inflation (the tires came with nails in them) or because the soft side-walls.  

You've seen these tires wear out in 10k miles? Sheesh...thats horrible for a tire with a 400 tread wear.

You would be better off going with a 235/40/18. There are not too many options in a 235/45/18 size....check out the Falken Ze-912 and the BFG gForce SuperSport AS

I thought the UTQG was 220.

I am looking for a tire between 100-150$ per tire.. preferrable from tire rack.

Which would you reccomend in this range for 225/45/R18?

Should I be looking into 235/40/R18       this is to go on a 18x7.5 wheel!

My important considerations is that the tire must last 3 years. If it is a summer tire that would something like 45000km or 30000 miles at a minimum.

I don't drive spirited, I am a pretty relaxed driver but every now and then like to have a little fun. I don't drive so fast also. I drive daily 160km when I am going to school mostly highway. We do have not so friendly roads with respect to the pot holes or conditions.

I will probably just throw on my old wheels as my winters.

The three tires that stuck out to me were Bridgestone RE760, Yokohama Sdrive, Kuhmo SPT... I am just not sure whether these will fit my conditions with respect to the treadlife

Nope. The ContiExtremeContact has a UTQG rating of 400 A A

Either the 225 or 235 tire should be fine...this is mostly personal preference.  If treadwear is extremely important to you, you may want to consider a UHP All-Season tire.  In general, a true summer tire will wear more quickly than a AS tire but provide better dry traction.  But...considering you are a somewhat conservative driver you should be able to get close to 30K miles out of most summer tires with a wear rating over 300.

The Bridgestone 760, Yoko S.Drive, Kumho SPT, and BFG gforce sport are all good choices...and I think are all under $150 each.

Yoko S-Drive  over BFG G-Force Sports any day. better dry and especially wet traction, AMAZING wear.

Oh, I got confused. The post directly above Thien's post mentions Toyo Proxes, that's what i was talking about. I have no clue about continentals.

Well, I gotta get new tires soon (42k on stock Michelins), and after reading this topic I think I'm going to get the Yokohama S-Drives. Are the stock tires really that shitty? lol

I would have prefered to get new rims then get new tires, but I don't think that's going to happen. So for now, I'm stuck with my EX rims.


I may do what he did. ^

No doubt the Yoko S.Drives are a good summer tire.  Might want to consider a 215/55 tire...a 225 on a 6.5" rim might be kinda squishy.

What do you mean by squishy?

Jeff, yes the OEM tires are that shitty. That's what i currently have on my wheels (bought them with the tires mounted already). I swear, I slide all over the place whenever it rains and they howl like a motherfucker when I take highway on/offramps at any speed above 30. My old shitty Fuzions on my steelies didn't do that. As soon as I have some extra coin, I'm getting rid of the Michelins.

Heh, yeah, during the time span of my ownership of the car, I've hydroplaned about 4-5 times, and I wasn't even doing anything rigorous. One time I was at a stoplight, the light turned green, I LIGHTLY pressed the pedal, like just enough to barely move the car, and the tires started spinning in place, and I was slowly moving to the right lane. So I let off the gas then re-applied even lighter, and the tires STILL spun!

Also, my parents said that getting a wider tire will kill my gas mileage. How much would I suffer if I went from the stock 205/60/16 to a 225/55/16?

I had a hard time finding someone who would mount my tires because I went from a 205/65/15 to a 205/60/16. They said they weren't allowed to because they were not the original size.

Its sort of like wearing a shoe that is 1 size too big for your foot....it will go on...but the fit is not the best.

Ah ok, lol. I guess I'll go with the 215/55/16 then.

What's everyone else's suggestions?

480 miles to a tank [13.5 gallons] 75% highway 25% city. your gas mileage will not suffer. Mine definetly didn't


As much research as you've been doing I figured you'd come up with a better word than squishy. Your analogy is correct, but the explanation is junk. Put your back into it

Whoa, take it easy, parcheesi.  hahaha

I think a better term is that fitting a wider tire on those wheels may result in a vaguer initial turn-in feel (with all things being equal).
But what you give up in turn-in feel, you make up in outright grip.
Of course, it also depends on the manufacturer and the tire you're using.
Some people call it "balloning" the tires.

I wouldn't overdo it on a daily.  I like Matt's set up.  
I've seen lots of autocrossers use 245s on a 6" wheel.
I think Robert Carpenter use to use 265s on his CRX with had the stock alloys.  I believe those came with 5.5" wide wheels.

what do you mean by a vaguer initial turn-in feel? Are we talking body roll, steering responsiveness, or what? lol

what would I do without you Ricardo

I think he means in steering response. Its like if you were running on moon shoes and tried to take a sharp turn.

Right.  The sidewall will be more free to move and flex when turning.  

Using a +2 sized tire for track or autoX purposes is one thing...but for driving on public roads where safety and reliability is most important, I personally would not go wider than 215.  I remember Thien giving this recommendation as well on old G7A.

And I personally wouldn't go wider then a 225. Safety and reliability have nothing to do with this case. If anything it might save your wheels from getting curbed. Stretching tires is a different story but this is not the case.

The tire is only 20mm wider in width. That's 1cm on each side if you need a visual. A 9% increase.

The rim is 165mm wide. Don't think that a 205 is dead on with the rim because in fact it's 24% wider, compared to 36% with a 225. That's 1/3rd more flex you'll see in your turn-in compared to stock. Which is unnoticable.

Also the
OD of a 205/60-16 is 25.7 ~810 revs per mile [~24 lbs.]
OD of a 225/55-16 is 25.7 ~807 rpm [~25 lbs.]
OD of a 215/55-16 is 25.2 ~827 rpm [~25 lbs.]
OD of a 215/60-16 is 26.1 ~796 rpm [~27 lbs.]

In other words a 17 rpm difference would throw your tach off by 4k if you were to keep it til 150k and bought it new.

Before I forget, MINIMUM WIDTH REQUIREMENT for a 225 width tire is 6". So it's still VERY WELL in the green zone.


EDIT

Should be easier to understand now. I'm gonna get a nose bleed if I spend another minute in this thread.

So it's settled then, 225 it is, lol.

I think I have an idea of what you guys are talking about. The wider the tire is, the more of a tendency it has to flex away from the turn while the tread on the road is staying put. Something along the lines of that, right?

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Whoops, typo, lol. 225*

Falken FK-452 is freaken sticky. Doesn't bitch like oem tires. All it wants to do is grab like hell. The only problem that I have is that they are loud since I got them used. I am not sure how much PSI I need either. They are all set to 41psi cold. maybe if I fix it would be better. But when I drive it feels the same as the lighter oem steely. Car uses the same RPM to move. Still doing 80mph using only 2600 rpm. Another I notices is that the car loses a lot of speed faster when it is coasting.

i have them in 235/45/17 with the gen3 TL rims 17by8

I've heard the FK-452 is a good budget summer tire.  Most complaints I've heard is that they can wear fast and get noisy. Any comments on the wear ^ ?

41psi seems a little high to me.  You might want to try lowering the pressure to 35-38psi.

they are now at 37front/ 35 rear i need to testt them i checked last night n one side was 45psi wtf? lol Also I forgot to add that I got them used 4 of them for 100 bucks. they are at 60% so maybe a good 7k left 10k at most?

I deal exclusively with a locally owned tire shop in town. They are good guys, and do good work....but I have found that they are not super careful when inflating tires.  Last time I got new rear tires one tire was inflated to like 40 and the other 35 (I always fine tune the pressure myself right after).  Make sure your tires are cold when you check the pressure....first thing in the morning is good I find.

thanks for the tip. I didn't have him mount it up to the car I just loaded it up on my accord took it home and did it myself after some retouches. Currently they are 35 fronts 32 rear. Still making a lot of noise but screw it I love how they handle. All it wants to do is grip grip grip. I think after I break them in to my car spec it will quiet down. Also I need to re-torque my bolt. The person that did the mounting for me was like since you got some paint in there just be careful. He also told me they were like 41 lbs but I totally forgot. anyways he did a good job mounting the tires on painted rims. the 2 rims that were perfect are still prefect. The other 2 that were so so have some of the paint scrapped off, but I retouched them.

All in all totally recommend the falken FK452. Also the 235 are perfect for the accord I love it how flat the car is on turns.

New affordable summer tire review by car and driver.

Results (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/0706c599ac2062b5edded8e6c0951cf5.pdf)

Link to entire review:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/com ... ison_tests (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q2/tire_test_nine_affordable_summer_tires_take_on_the_michelin_ps2-comparison_tests)

Ok, so now I'm forced by my parents to get all season tires because of the increased tread life. In order to maintain a relatively good quality, I'm going with ultra high performance all season tires. I've been looking at the reviews on Tire Rack, and I'm trying to decide between these tires:

Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position
Yokohama ADVAN S.4.
BFGoodrich g-Force Super Sport A/S

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/CompareTi ... artIndex=0 (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/CompareTires.jsp?sortValue=1&filterType=all&displayResults=10&compare=true&compareList=0%2C1%2C9&RunFlat=All&goWhere=%252Ftires%252FCompare1.jsp&sortCode=&width=225%2F&ratio=55&diameter=16&performance=UHPAS&startIndex=0)

I will be upsizing the tire to 225/55/16. What would you guys recommend, or do you have any other suggestions as far as tire selection goes? The Bridgestone got very good reviews, but they're heavier than the other two.

cant speak for the tires you listed....

will they let you pick the size of the tire?

i would stay with the 225... thats what i have and its nice and wide.... in FL you could even go wider if you wanted since you will see no snow
i have 225/45/zr17
the 45's are nice because they arent like low low profile... but low enough to where its not alot of rubber (ugly)
also the lower you go the more stiff your ride will be

i have a directional thread and love them....awesome in the rain

I personally love the potenzas

Have any specifics as far as improvements go? I'm wondering if the extra weight on them will hinder anything... I'll be going up from my stock 205/60/16 tires.

Anyone else with thoughts on these tires, or any others?

I'm going to call around locally and see what everyone has to offer... I have a hunch that tirerack will be the cheapest, lol.

i went with 215/55/16 potenza g0119 grid. they are great all season performance tires that still offer a 50,000 mile warranty. i noticed a big difference in cornering ability and overall traction. plus the warranty is always something that would please a parents idea of what they are purchasing since im guessing that is the case with you. not to familiar with the pole positions, but bridgestone makes a quality product.

Thanks. I just took a look at those on tirerack, and they look pretty good, plus the 50,000 mile warranty will help. They are $30 cheaper, too. However, they are even heavier than the Pole Positions, lol.

Also, for some reason there are two different versions of the Grid; one has a max PSI rating of 51lbs, and the other one is 44lbs. Does it really matter?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp? ... 255HR6G019 (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Bridgestone&model=Potenza+G+019+Grid&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&partnum=255HR6G019&tirePageLocQty=%26partnum%3D255HR6G019)

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp? ... 255VR6G019 (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Bridgestone&model=Potenza+G+019+Grid&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&partnum=255VR6G019&tirePageLocQty=%26partnum%3D255VR6G019)

From the looks, I think I'll be going with the Grid rather than the Pole Position. The Grid gets 50,000 over the PP's 40,000 warranty, and it's cheaper. I don't think the PP would be worth the extra cost for a daily driver (with some spirited driving).

Edit: I've just been reading the reviews, and there's been a ton of people complaining about road noise. Do you have that problem too?

Edit2: Just found a HP all season tire from Yokohama:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp ... mpare1=yes (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=AVID+V4S&vehicleSearch=false&partnum=255VR6V4S&fromCompare1=yes)

They seem pretty comparable to the Bridgestones, and they are 6 pounds lighter, and have a 60,000 mile warranty. Man I need to make a decision soon, lol. My tires are like 1/100" away from being flush with the wear bars.

Alright, I'm here to chime in on this situation. The difference between the 2 Bridgestone Potenza G019 Grids you have listed is that one is an "H" rated and the other is "V" rated. The difference between the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position and the Bridgestone Potenza G019 Grids is one the speed rating. The 960AS has a "W" while the Grids has an "H" or "V". I personally have both the Grids and 960AS. (Grids 245/45 R17 : 960AS 225/45 R18) The 960AS will perform better in light snow and medium snow. The 960AS has siping that will grip to the road better then the Grids. Of course, the Grids has a better mileage warranty then the 960AS. I have driven the Grids in the snow, and they do track well in light and medium snow. As for road noise on the Grids, you are going to hear road noise no matter what. The Grids aren't that bad on road noise. To me, I can barely hear them.

The reason why the Grids are heavier is because of the compounds put into the tire. The heavier compound helps with wear, traction, handling, and durability. I have recommended a lot of the Grids, and I have not heard one complaint about them. That is me personally, but you can use this information to further your research. Here is another thing about Bridgestone, almost all Firestone, Tire's Plus, Expert Tire, Wheel Works, and Peerless tires will carry them, and this will help you out just in case you need a tire ASAP. Instead of ordering from Tire Rack and waiting around for it to get shipped.

Thanks a ton for that info, Thien! I don't think the snow will be a problem with me, so it'd be a better decision to get the Grids. Would you recommend just getting the "H" Grid? I don't even think that I'll be planning on driving over 130mph, lol. I also was just curious about the road noise... I don't mind it, but when my car starts sounding like a jet engine taking off just from the tires, then it becomes a problem, lol.

Anyways, it looks like I've narrowed down my search to the tire I need! Bridgestone Potenza G019 Grid 225/55/16, coming right up! I'm going to call around tomorrow and see where I can get it locally for a good deal.

"H" rated is fine. You can drop one speed rating down from what your vehicle cars for. I had the Grids on with my SC, and I didn't even have the tires slip at all. I can literally take corners doing about 60+ mph without the tires breaking free.

You'll find those readily available at just about any Firestone around you Jeff. You could get away with H speed rated tires, but if I were to go by what Tire Rack recommends they say to go with a V rated tire. Looks like Thien elaborated before I had a chance to post this.

Okay, thanks. Lol, actually, the V rating is a dollar cheaper at Tirerack. We'll see what Firestone has to offer. If they cost the same, I'll just go with the V rating.

Thanks again for all the help!

i got mine at a local firestone dealer, the cost wasnt any different than tire rack once you figure in shipping and mounting fees. i dont notice any noise because i hear so much other noise from my exhaust, intake and engine torque dampner. but like i said before i love the tires and when i need a new set of tires i will probably get the same ones.

Hey Icebox, did you go with the H rating tire, or the V rating tire? I'm looking at some quotes at Firestone, and the H rating ones are about 7 bucks cheaper per tire. Should I just be safe and get the V rating ones?

I'd say fork out the extra $30. If there's that little of a difference, get what's recommended. The manager may be able to cut you a deal.

Alright. Firestone was my first look at for pricing; I'm still going to be looking around at other places. From Firestone, however, here's the grand total for all four tires, installation, and balancing:


How does that sound to you price-wise? I'll post back if I find any other deals. Firestone does do price-matching, however.

Doesn't sound bad to me, though I was quoted around the same price for 17's. They can't do better than that?

That was just their internet special. I have take that quote to them or whatever. Although, I don't think it'd be any different if I called them. I'm going to anyways; a phone call never hurts.

Edit: Just called, it's roughly the same exact price, give or take a dollar.

Firestone does do a price match. As for going "H" or "V" speed rating, it is totally up to you. You won't do any harm by going with an "H". That sounds about right on the price though. Z as for the price being roughly close to your quote for 17s, a 215/50 R17 are more common compared to a 225/55 R16. The more common a tire size is, the less expensive it is. Its all about supply and demand. A rare tire size that will barely move out of inventory, the more expensive it is. It cost money to make a product, and if the product barely moves out of circulation, it will cost more to make that certain size.

I figured as much. To get the OEM size 205/60/R16 tires for my car, they were like 25 bucks cheaper a piece, lol. I still have to go through the yellow pages and see who else even sells Bridgestones to begin with. I checked yellowpages.com, but there wasn't shit near me. I guess I have to break out the book. I did call a local auto shop that I regularly go to, but they wanted $650 for the same thing, so I said fuck that, lol.

Apparently, Firestone doesn't even offer an H rated Grid at 225/55/16. I guess it just depends on the sizes. At least I can take that out of the equation.

I'm eager to get these tires! I can't wait to feel the difference between them and my OEM Michelins! Lol, when I called Firestone, the guy was giving me shit about how if I go up three sizes that the tires will rub. If Rocketstarter is running 225/55/16 tires on EX rims like me, I don't see how there could be a problem.

Check out Tire's Plus. Tire's Plus also sells Bridgestone and it is actually Firestone's sister stores.

I honestly wasn't even paying attention to what size Jeff was looking for. (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/misc/smiley-vault-misc-160.gif)

My bad.

Sweet, check this out:


They actually have the H rated ones, and they're a fuckton cheaper! Screw the V rating, lol. Never in my life will I go above 130mph! I don't even think my car could handle that anyways. Thanks for the info, yet again!

Also, just to be 110% sure, getting a 225/55/16 tire will not cause any problems with rubbing? I know Rocketstarter got the same size tire, but I don't know if he had to do anything to get them to work or not.

he told me that was the size i should have gone with but i took the advise of the shop installing my tires, they said that it would be too big of a stretch for the tire, but there are alot of people that would say otherwise.

wellll it's time to get new tires.  and after reading through the thread it seems like bfgoodrich are some of the top ones, but they're a bit too much for me.  I'd like to keep it to no more than 150/tire.   I was thinking of sticking with the kumho ecsta spt's that i have.. but i'm not sure if I want to keep the same tire size.  Oh, and these are strickly for the summer due to the fact that I swap out to OEM during the colder months up here in MD.

currently I have 225/45/18 kumho ecsta spt's on my 18"x7.5" rims.  I'm not sure of the offset, but I'm not sure if this tire is the correct size, I'd like to keep the same width, but possibly have a slightly smaller sidewall, unless you guys recommend against it.  i honestly don't know anything abuot tire size and dimensions and such, so any advice would be gladly appreciated.  Thanks guys!

Where are you buying tires bro? I got my BFG g-force sports for $96 each in a 235/45/17.  

Checkout http://www.onlinetires.com (http://www.onlinetires.com)

Thien - I've narrowed it down to one tire - Potenza G019 Grid. It's got a higher treadwear rating than the Fuzions. I hope these last longer.

Same thing that I'm getting. They come with a 50,000 mile warranty, so that may help a little. I'm still calling around though for prices. The cheapest I've gotten is about $90 a tire for H rated ones.

damn, not bad at all.  the site crashes my work computer so I'll check it when i get home.  would it be more though for 18's?

What do you guys think of the Goodyear Eage GT? From what I've read it has superior wet and dry handling.

I'm looking for something that is good in both wet/dry conditions. Need some guidance one way or the other.

Going by Firestone after work to check out all the tires. I could get some Potenzas out the door for under $450. Might go that route, just going to go and line up all the tires and see which one turns me on the most. :)

Well, I've been driving on my Potenzas for about 100 miles now, and I love them. Not only do they look good, but they perform good as well. I pushed them pretty hard, and they have yet to squeal.

I'd definitely recommend getting some if the price is right. Last time I checked, to get the OEM Michelin MXV4s was ridiculously expensive, wasn't it?

It is and they blow. I squeal the shit out of my tires on highway on/ off ramps all the damn time. Forget wet traction. I'm waiting to wear these down to nothing before getting new tires though. I'd hate to see how much noise the tires would make when I throw on a TL-S RSB and AV6 6MT FSTB.

Haha, seconded on the wet traction. On my drive to FSU, I hydroplaned at least 7 times. Good thing we kept going straight, though. Plus, if I ever floored it out of a stoplight, they squealed to kingdom come. I haven't tried it with the Potenzas, but I'm sure that's never going to happen.

Wet traction is a big importance to me because of Florida weather. I feel a lot safer with my new tires on now.

That's good to hear considering I transfer out of here next summer. Its possible I go back to So. Fla, but who knows with the military. Keep us posted on these tires man.

It rained quite a bit today, and it felt kind of different driving though puddles, in a good way. On my Michelins, any kind of puddle would really slow/drag the car down, but now with the Potenzas, the car pretty much just plows through the puddle with no problem. I drove through some wet windy roads, and they held right on through. I think that the tread design on these tires really helps with wet traction.

As far as noise goes, they're about the same as my old Michelins, if not quieter. I never really paid attention to the noise anyways.

Also, judging from the reviews on Tire Rack, these tires may not be suitable for snowy conditions. For me, however, they were perfect for the situation. I've never seen snow in my life. :P

Eh, I'm not too worried about the snow. I know what my car does in the white fluffy stuff. If not, I've got a helicopter pad I can slide around on. Good report though Jeff.

Another thing I noticed when we had torrential rain this weekend, is that when going through decently sized puddles (6-7" deep puddle that's like 6x6'), the water like shoots out in front of the tires as well as going out the sides of the car. I thought it was pretty neat considering the fact that my Michelins never did that, they just sort of threw water out the sides. Seems to me like that more water it can get away from under the tire, the easier job it'll have at getting a grip on the road. I approve of this, lol.

I looked hard at the Eagle GT too.  On paper it looks good...but I've heard that they wear out somewhat quickly.  Definitely not a bad tire, but living in AL you could get a better performing summer tire for less money.  What is your budget? The BFG gforce sports and Yoko S.drives are about $100 each.

I'm looking for a set of tires for one of our cars. I need a 235/55/18. Our main concern is ride comfort/noise with a good utqg at the same time. Does anyone have any recommendations. A good price would help too, dont know if any of you guys can get discounts. My dad is an engineer for a tire company but only gets discounts on two sets of tires per year and those are already used up. Thanks for any help you guys can give!

I suggest the Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza. Tires aren't cheap in that size. In my area, those tires are close to $200 a tire, but they are a great all season tire. They also give awesome ride comfort. I just put a set on my new CR-V, and I have driven on other cars with them. My customer loves how they ride. Its really smooth, and it has almost zero road noise.

Thanks Thien. I suggested that set up to my Dad. His number one choice right now is the Michelin Energy MXV4 S8. It is an OEM tire for the car. If I remember correctly that is the OEM tire that I had on my car and I was not just real impressed with those. I found the Bridgestones for about 170 per tire and the Michelin are 200 per tire. The Lexus dealership, the ones who suggested this tire, has a pretty strong hold on him but he asked me to look so who knows what he will do.

I do give the Michelins credit for ride comfort. The reason behind is because they are so gummy and really soft. The Dueler H/L Alenza will handle a lot better, and be really close to the Michelin's ride comfort. This tire size seems like its going on either a Nissan Murano or Mercedes Benz ML series.

It actually a 08 Lexus RX350 with optional wheels. The wheel upgrade might be what threw you off.

Ahhh yeah, that one did throw me off. I don't see many RX350. More Muranos and MB ML series.

After talking with my Dad about tires, it got me interested in mine. I got 205/60/16 Kumho Solus with a 680 utqg in Sept 07. I went to look at them today and it looks like they have very little tread compared to what they should on them I have put less than 20K miles on my car since then. I took pictures with a penny to see what you guys think. Could I have gotten bad tires? I get them rotated every 6000 miles and balanced every 9000.This would be the perfect excuse to upgrade to a 225/55/16, but if something in wrong I want to get something out of Kumho. Here are the pictures:
Front
(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd296/wtcii/IMG_6831.jpg)
Back
(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd296/wtcii/IMG_6833.jpg)

When you put a penny inside the tread and see the top of Lincoln's head, this signifies that you need to replace your tires. It looks like the front tires are at 4/32nd of tread, and the rears are about 6/32 to 7/32nd of tread. I do not advise getting Kumhos at all. They state having a 65k+ mileage warranty, but you will never see that many miles out of their tires. This doesn't mean you should upsize tires. Every tire is made differently. I have seen Kumhos only lasting 15 to 20k miles. I suggest forking out the money to get a semi decent tire. This is why Kumhos are so cheap. They wear out prematurely, and they tend to wear unevenly.

I was thinking. If I want to go more aggressive I would get a 225/55/16 Bridgestone Potenza Grid but if I wanted to keep the OEM size I thought the Bridgestone Serenity tires  looked nice. The only thing I would worry about with the 225 is rubbing. I have a mild drop so I highly doubt anything would I just wouldnt want to buy some then rub. What do you think about either of these tires?

I approve on both of them, but I would keep the OE size to be on the safe size. The Bridgestone Turanza with Serenity is an awesome tire. It is considered a Grand Touring tire. It has great ride comfort similiar to the H/L Alenza but for a car. The Grids on the other hand will be a tad stiffer, but it will give you better performance in handling over the Serenity. The other thing is that the Grids will more and likely be cheaper then the Serenity. If you are looking for road comfort, go with the Serenity. If you are looking at performance, go with the Grids.

What size would be best for 18x7.5 wheel?

225/45/18
235/40/18


Probably going with Falken Ziex 912 (their 235/40 on website reccomends 8" wheel when using 235)

My Potenza G019 Grids have been running excellent so far. Albeit it's only been about 1,000 miles, they have yet to screech at all. One thing I have noticed though is that after airing them up to 35psi from 25, the steering response diminished a little. Not sure if that's just a general thing for all tires, but I don't mind as long as I get good gas mileage. Tread is still looking good.

^^25 is a little low isnt it?

Yeah, that's why I aired them back up to 35, lol. I didn't realize that I let them get that low.

I'm actually running 225 45's on my 18x8 wheel no prob so that should def be a good fit for 7.5

235/40 R18 is recommened for 8" width rim to I believe 9.5". You can squeeze a 235/40 R18 on a 7.5" width rim without any complications. Are you looking for traction or ride comfort? If you are looking for the traction, then go with the 235/40 R18. For the ride comfort, then go with the 225/45 R18.

Going to go with 225. Thanks for all the thoughts everyone. I am already gaining 20mm in width over stock and I don't need extreme traction for anything.

Just an update Thien. He did end up going with the Alenza, thanks for the suggestion btw. He ended up ordering them at the Lexus dealership. It was a little bit more but he felt the peace of mind was worth the extra $90. Ill report back when they are on the car. Thanks again.

Awesome, Please keep me updated.

Picked up the 225/45/18 Falken Ziex ZE912 yesterday on the EKM3 18x7.5. There is no real bulge around the wheel where the tire sits so its perfect the way I wanted! 235/40 probably would have easily worked too with a small bulge

Does anyone know which way you are supposed to mount the wheel+tire to the car?

The tires have OUTSIDE and INSIDE, but I don't think they have a rotation direction

If the tires are directional there would be a little arrow of sorts on one side that says "rotation".  If its marked inside and outside, the side marked outside faces out.

yea i am only asking because i didnt find direction on it, so i assume all i need to worry about is outside + inside

tires came mounted to the wheel like that

I just did a google search...the ze-912's are non-directional.

I'm having a set of these installed over the weekend. Falken Ziex ZE912 for $127 each.  Hows your review of them?

I have no issues with mine but, I only use them in the summer.

Falken are good tires. I've always had good luck with Potenza's though.

My Potenza Grids are awesome, the only downside is that they're pretty loud. It's nothing that I can't handle though.

My exhaust and windnoise drowns out the tires  ;)

Is $127 Mounted and Balanced a good price for those Falken's?  215/50-R17 is my OE size.  I think it's a pretty good deal, just want to double check.  I only have one set of rims and don't have the space to keep an extra set of tires lying around, so I'm going to be using these year round. 

That's kinda funny that my current winter tires are listed, but my last set of winter tires are not.  I've gotta say that the Nokyan Hakkapeliitta's that I had are a lot better than the Bridgestone LM-25's that I have on my car right now.

damn Tim you beat me to it. I just saw this thread and was just going to recommend Nokian Hakkapeliitta R's.

I just put on a set of these and was amazed at how well they grip. I went out driving for a bit this morning, after getting about a foot and a half of snow, and had 0 problems making it up the steepest hill in town.

I was very happy with my Nokyans.  The Bridgestones I have are pretty good in the snow, but not as good as the Nokyans.  I haven't gone out today yet, but I was able to get around very well in the last snow storm we had.  Compared to the all season tires I was on a few years ago, it's a night and day difference.

Like I said.  I've got zero room for keep an extra set of tires around, so I can't have dedicated winter and summer tires.  Wish I did though.  I would love to be able to do that "WINTER MODE ACTIVATED" thing that Tim does. hahaha.

haha trust me, its not that cool...

I HATE activating winter mode. My  car is so ugly during winter mode  :'(

I guess I could update this. These tires are awesome. I drove them in some winter weather while in TN for the holidays and they did very well. They are also much quieter than the goodyears that used to be on the car. It came time to replace the tires on our other RX, the same 235/55/18 tire. I was going to be taking this one down to the coast so I wanted to get some new tires on it before I left. I went to get the same Bridgestones on it and they were out of stock. I ended up getting the Toyo H/T's. Honestly, I think they are quieter. I read some reviews and they don't do as well in winter weather, but that's about it as far as performance goes. They were a good bit more expensive though, which was a bit of a downfall.

My winter wheels are sexy as hell, so I don't mind switching it up.  The only part that's not fun is raising my car up.

i'm using Toyo T1R 235/35/19. quieter compared to the falken ST115 which i used to have.

good thing no such thing as winter here!

Doesnt sound to bad.

Thanks Mike.

Just spotted this over on DA.

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61309 (http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61309)

An Azeni UHP offering? Sounds pretty damn promising especially with the kind of treadwear warranty they offer and all the other specs of the tire. This guy is intrigued.

Another Azenis. Great...............................................................

If its like other Azenis, they won't last as long as they say, and they'll be noisey and greasy like all Falkens. I'll pass on any and all Falkens.

Tell us how you really feel.  ;D

How I really feel about the Azenis? One, they don't wear as long as they say or even close to that. (All Falkens) They are greasey and noisey. Yes, they are cheap, and are called the best bang for the buck among the auto cross guys. After a few runs, they start to slip around and not track at all. Also, they tend to follow all the little cracks and lines of an unperfect road causing for troublesome steering.

Some Falkens are made in Japan, but some are made in other asian countries like Malaysia and Indonesia. When that happens, the rubber compound tend to be different, and that leads to a lot of times tire pulls and so forth.

My opinion is my opinion, but I don't like any Falkens made to this day. All my buddies who work at Discount Tires even tell me that the Falkens are junk tires. Some people love them to death, and they will swear on their grandmother's grave they are the best tire in the world. Others will tell you outright they are a giant load of shit and a waste of rubber.

I wasn't serious but its still funny.

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i want to get new tires for my car and was looking for high performance all season tires. tirerack has pretty good chart and grading for tires and continental extremecontact dws have highest review out of all those tires and they are about $500 for all 4

I had Conti ExtremeContacts (prev version, not DWS) on my 5th Gen and absolutely loved em.  Real nice grippy tire, but they only lasted for around 30k, which isnt bad but I think they were supposed to last 80k.

The DWS are really nice. By far, one of the best all season performance tire on the market.

^^ Good to know Thien.  Defininitely looking into those tires as replacements.

Getting quotes for some RE-11's..  I think I might pull the trigger.. some pretty good deals..

So how bad is it really going to be for my car if I only replace one tire, as opposed to both?  I really can't afford to spend the money on a second tire..

I don't know the exact answer to that but I would think that it would depend how worn the other tire is.  If you run a brand new tire with one that is bald, the effects would be greater than if the new tire was paired up with a tire that still reads a six or seven.  So maybe someone more qualified can help you, what kind of shape is your other tire in?

the other tire is by no means bald.  there seems to be plenty of tread left on it to last for at the very least another year.

As long as it's not going to cause any kind of damage to the drive-ability of the car, I could care less really.  I hate my car (i have a civic not an accord anymore) and just want the thing to blow up or get totalled somehow so I can get rid of it.

It won't cause any damage unless its has a big varience in tread depth. Like for instant a brand new tire with 10/32nd of tread on the left front and 5/32nd on the right front may cause transmission slippage or wheel speed sensor fault. But if it only has a varience of only 3/32nd, it should be fine but you will have a tire pull to whatever side has the least amount of tread. Thats only if you are putting them on the front. If you they are going on the rear, it won't cause any damange at all.

Then don't worry about the tire Brian.

Oh okay. Thanks thien. Its for my rear tires, so it should be fine. I get paid next week, maybe I'll be able to grab a matching tire then.. we'll see I guess.

I have the same problem with my new car. When we bought the car, it was out of alignment real bad. The front left wheel had wayyy too much toe out, so that tire is at about 4/32" vs. 8/32" on the other three tires. Obviously now that I've got it aligned (lifetime alignment ftw!) the car wants to pull to the right.

I'm just wondering how much tread will be left on the three good tires when the one tire goes bald...

Went to Costco to get new bridgestone potenza re960as pole positions, 4 of them installed for 480and go to check in dude tells me to wait til march 8th for the tires because they'll be 355 installed. ftmfw!

I had those tires.  They were pretty good all season tires.

good to hear, and thien likes um too. have to be better than the dorals that came on the car when i got it.

The reason why you are getting for that much is because they are discontinued. They no longer make the 960AS Pole Position except in a Run Flat Size which is mainly the 205/55 R16, 225/40 R18, 255/35 R18. Its really for BMW. The 970AS Pole Position replaced the 960AS. Just hope you are getting the Japan made 960AS instead of the Mexico or USA made ones.

What's a good cheap tire nowadays that's quiet and gets good gas mileage? Not worried about a high performance tire anymore. Tires Plus recommended me some Firestone Affinity Touring tires, but the average review on Tirerack is a 5.3/10. They also have Bridgestone Ecopias, and they got 7.6/10. Everything else is goddamn expensive and is like $650+ after installation.