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Title: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: AV6NHBP6SPD on December 11, 2011, 10:31:08 AM RL brake install.
disclaimer. im not responsible if you hurt yourself while doing this mod. use common sense Parts needed 1. 05+ Acura RL brake calipers ~$300 2. 05+ Acura RL brake pads (oem(advics) or EBC) ~$90 3. 03+ Nissan 350z/g35 brembo option rotors (paul said to use 05 350z rotors), brackets will work with up to 14" rotors. 350z are 12.688 rotors. for comparison stock accord rotors are 11.1" ~150+ 4. Pauls Brackets $140 shipped (price may change, contact NVA-AV6) 5. honda DOT3 brake fluid (check your dealer for price) optional 6. Stainless Steal brake lines (goodridge is recommended by many, stoptech will work too i guess). goodridge comes as kit of 4 lines front and back. stoptech you can get front and back separate (~$120 for goodridge) tools you gona need 8mm, 10mm, 17mm, 19mm wrench 12mm normal socket, and deep sockets 14mm, 17mm, 19mm sockets impact philips screw driver or cordless impact driver brake bleeding kit or you can get your friend to help 1. Raise the front of the car and support it with safety stands in proper locations 2. since you replacing brakes completely just remove 2 17mm bolts that hold whole assembly to the knuckle. They should be tight so get extended wrench. 3. Remove brake hose mounting bolt (bracket that holds brake line to knuckle) using 12mm socket (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/sy272004/Projects/RL%20brakes/DSC04974-1.jpg) 4. Take bolts out and pull off brake assembly and rest it on control arm or something. DO NOT disconnect brake line at this point because brake fluid will just keep leaking out. 5. Remove brake disk. You will probably need impact philips screw driver (huge screw driver that you can hit with hammer and turn at same time). I used my dewalt cordless driver for this and it worked fine 6. Once that removed you are almost ready to install brackets (order of installation: bracket, brake disk, caliper) 7. The washer goes between the top of the caliper and the nut, it is there to help prevent paint tearing while tightening the nuts down. Also the first time you install the calipers onto the brackets you will notice that the brackets are slightly wider than the notches on the calipers. This is done purposely so that when you tighten the calipers down they will "Bite" into the brackets and mate themselves to the brackets tightly, so you want to make sure the are flush with the bracket. - Note from Paul 8. In order to mount brackets you need to trim brake shield a little like this (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/sy272004/Projects/RL%20brakes/DSC04965.jpg) (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/sy272004/Projects/RL%20brakes/DSC04969-1.jpg) using metal scissors or maybe you can bend it somehow. I choose to cut it off. You might have to bend brake shield a little to it doesn’t scrape brake rotor. 9. Now grease both bolts with anti-seize (I used copper based couse that’s what I had) (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/sy272004/Projects/RL%20brakes/DSC04966.jpg) and put bracket on DO NOT forget to put provided washer on bolt (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/sy272004/Projects/RL%20brakes/DSC04968.jpg) I tightened bolts to 80ft/lbs (Honda torque speck for caliper bracket bolt is 79.6ft/lbs so I guess it should be fine but ask Paul when you order brackets). Once that’s tight you ready to put brake disk on. 10. Put brake disk on. You will probably notice that its not sitting on center couse bore diameter for Nissan is bigger then Honda so you will need some kinda spacer to keep disk centered. I used metal spacers and put them on 3 studs and it centered the disk (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/sy272004/Projects/RL%20brakes/DSC04970.jpg) 11. Once that’s on you can put new caliper on bracket (don’t forget to make notches in bracket or remove notches on caliper or use washer provided) 12. Put caliper on and put some anti-seize on studs. WARNING studs are too long to use with some 17” wheels (in my case TL-S) they will scrape wheel barrel so they need to be trimmed by about half inch (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/sy272004/Projects/RL%20brakes/DSC04971.jpg) (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/sy272004/Projects/RL%20brakes/DSC04976.jpg) I used grinder when brackets were on the car. You can do it off the car and make it easier on yourself. 13. Tighten nuts to about 80ft/lbs (Paul said 60-80ft/lbs) 14. Put brake pads in. 15. This step is if you putting new/stainless steal lines on. You can reuse you old brake line if you want to. Remove clip that holds brake line to bracket, it just slides out with pliers or something. Now you can disconnect brake line with 10mm wrench and remove it. It might be tight on it so be careful not to snap the line. Once you removed lower portion of brake line, put new brake line right back on it and tighten it. 16. Bleed the brakes and dont forget to put new brake fluid in 17. Put wheel back on. Do same for other side comparison before (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/sy272004/Projects/RL%20brakes/DSC04959.jpg) after (http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/sy272004/Projects/RL%20brakes/DSC04980.jpg) Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: timot_one on December 12, 2011, 01:07:43 AM Stickied!
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Milan on December 12, 2011, 10:53:10 PM I freaked out a little when I saw the bottle of loctite until I realized it was anti sieze lol.
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: AV6NHBP6SPD on December 13, 2011, 02:55:57 PM no faith in me ha?
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: NVA-AV6 on December 13, 2011, 07:20:44 PM Just so you guys know, the washer goes between the top of the caliper and the nut, it is there to help prevent paint tearing while tightening the nuts down. Also the first time you install the calipers onto the brackets you will notice that the brackets are slightly wider than the notches on the calipers. This is done purposely so that when you tighten the calipers down they will "Bite" into the brackets and mate themselves to the brackets tightly, so you want to make sure the are flush with the bracket.
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: AV6NHBP6SPD on December 13, 2011, 09:22:34 PM oh ok. thought washer went between caliper and bracket. good thing i didnt put it in that palace. so i guess i shouldnt have modified the brakets. ill change that in write up
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: gargantula99 on May 01, 2012, 10:25:02 PM Would these calipers fit within my stock V6 17" rims without me having to get spacers?
Title: Re: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: CrackerTeg on May 02, 2012, 06:24:34 AM Doubtful.
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: ikethegreat on May 02, 2012, 08:23:30 AM They will not.
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Pascal on February 03, 2014, 10:24:59 PM Made a replica of those brackets Paul makes once for one of my friends. I made some small design modification to make it fit between the tabs of the caliper and also used a long bolt instead of studs so it wouldn't need some lock-tight in the aluminum block. Here's mine vs Paul's ones. Mine (on left) cost me around 40$ a pair with the bolts and all (without labor of fabricating them)
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab109/Pascal_Godin/iPhone003_zps27d3bb86.jpg) (http://s854.photobucket.com/user/Pascal_Godin/media/iPhone003_zps27d3bb86.jpg.html) (http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab109/Pascal_Godin/iPhone004_zps90b61e14.jpg) (http://s854.photobucket.com/user/Pascal_Godin/media/iPhone004_zps90b61e14.jpg.html) Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: timot_one on February 03, 2014, 10:27:06 PM I still prefer the studs over bolts for these calipers.
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Pascal on February 03, 2014, 10:39:22 PM Mechanically speaking they are the same. It may be easier to slide the caliper into the studs than try to line-up the bolts into the holes. I prefer not having studs coming out of the nuts on top and not having to buff them. Both have their good and bad i guess.
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Jeff Likes Bagels on February 03, 2014, 10:45:50 PM I love milling. I need to upgrade to the RL calipers and get bigger wheels just so I can machine me some brackets. :P I'd probably end up over engineering it and using stainless instead. No potential for stripped threads then.
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Pascal on February 03, 2014, 10:55:08 PM Good luck stripping those threads ??? 6061-T6 is a great material to work with. Also, stainless steel is way heavier and harder to machine.
If you want my plans you can have them though. Maybe you could ask Paul his permission before making yourself a pair. ( Sorry I didn't ) (http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab109/Pascal_Godin/bracketbrake-1_zps76531c55.png) (http://s854.photobucket.com/user/Pascal_Godin/media/bracketbrake-1_zps76531c55.png.html) Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Jeff Likes Bagels on February 03, 2014, 11:13:01 PM I'm used to machining stainless now, it's all we use at work lol. I actually have to machine some 440C and then heat treat it for a project; need really good wear resistance as well as corrosion resistance.
Anyways, back on topic, I noticed you have stock 16" wheels in your sig. Don't you need at least 17" for the RL calipers? Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Pascal on February 03, 2014, 11:24:22 PM They weren't installed on my car, made them for a friend. He had to get 18" to have enough room. Some 17" may fit like tl-s wheels but it is tight as hell!
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: timot_one on February 04, 2014, 07:28:58 AM I think the main benefit of using studs over bolts is reducing the potential of stripping out the threads in the aluminum. That and higher clamping force and getting proper torque ratings.
That's one reason why people upgrade from the stock head bolts to aftermarket head studs when building a motor or boosting their motor. Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Pascal on February 04, 2014, 07:50:30 AM Found an interesting article about the use of studs vs bolts.
Stripping the treads would only be a result of cross threading them when the bolt is inserted. If the threads in the hole are dirty /rusted in some cases, there would be a big proportion of the torque applied that would only make the screw turning so at the same time less axial load that desired would be applied. Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Pascal on February 04, 2014, 07:51:24 AM http://m.autoserviceprofessional.com/article/92024/engine-studs-understanding-the-advantages-of-using-studs-vs-bolts-and-tips-on (http://m.autoserviceprofessional.com/article/92024/engine-studs-understanding-the-advantages-of-using-studs-vs-bolts-and-tips-on)
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: CrackerTeg on February 04, 2014, 08:21:45 AM I don't know how I feel about these brackets being cloned and then posted up like they are.
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Pascal on February 04, 2014, 08:27:13 AM I'm not sure to understand your point ( English is only my 2nd language )
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: ikethegreat on February 04, 2014, 10:34:24 AM I don't know how I feel about these brackets being cloned and then posted up like they are. Unless someone has a patent on the design, I don't see the issue. Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: CrackerTeg on February 04, 2014, 11:54:33 AM Not legally but morally.
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Pascal on February 04, 2014, 12:22:40 PM In my defense, I only made them for a friend and it was for free. Only charged material cost. He wanted me to make more to sell them but I didn't want to because I felt bad making money with someone's else design. There's also the fact that ( even if i trusted the quality of what i made) if someone had an accident due to brake failure, I didn't want to be involved into any pursuit of anything.
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: timot_one on February 04, 2014, 06:51:25 PM I don't see anything wrong with him posting pictures of one set of brackets he made for a friend. I'd be pretty damn proud of machining something like that.
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Pascal on February 04, 2014, 07:25:51 PM thanks ;D I've heard today that Paul isn't even making those anymore. Saw them at two places over internet.
Title: Re: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: CrackerTeg on February 04, 2014, 09:45:13 PM In that case, I'm cool with it.
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Pascal on February 04, 2014, 09:50:58 PM Didn't mean to make anyone mad, glad everything's fine ! ;)
Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: AV6NHBP6SPD on February 22, 2014, 07:09:29 PM so paul doesnt make them anymore?
yeah at least 17s Title: Re: How To: RL advics front brake installation Post by: Pascal on February 22, 2014, 11:40:31 PM That is what I heard ! :-[
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