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How do I go about getting k pro......
06 Honda accord SE, engine code K24A8. Current mods include CAI, RBC Intake manifold, dc sport header, megan racing test pipe, greddy evo2 exhaust


For me, there is never enough detail when I ask shops/tuners about getting Kpro, so any and all details/prices/connection or people to talk to is greatly appreciated.

Also, I am not dead set on having to have Kpro, so any other fully tunable ecu anyone knows about...ID LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT



Thanks for all the future info

ONE WORD..... SEARCH  
http://elitecm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57

This thread has this specific topic discussed. Look through it and find answers. The later pages have where Blinx has your same year, engine, etc.
http://elitecm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57
This next thread has Blinx's trials and tribulations with getting flash pro to work and ended up going with kpro.
http://elitecm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1303
Youre new here so I'm not going to come down on you as hard as I would others but if you did a little bit of searching and reading in the particular threads I linked, there would not have been a need for this thread to be opened. Welcome to ECM and be sure to read up on te forum rules in the General Discussion subforum.

Searching is a good idea.  Since you have a K24A8, there will be challenges.  Right now, there is no conversion harness like the K24A4 guys have, but Paul (NVA-AV6) does a conversion for the K24A8's.  If you have the time and the money, that would be your best bet.

The reason I asked out right is because it seems everyone is having issues trying to run kpro...but ice box gave me a lead on the new hypertech sport they are releasing for the k24a8. I don't know if that will allow me to put in new camshafts, but it will give me more than I have now, and for 550...that's going to be a steal

The hypertech thing seems to be a giant waste of money when you compare it to kpro.  It doesn't really look like it does much of anything except change your rev limiter, top speed governor, and possibly adjust the fuel.  It doesn't even control VTEC or VTC.  You're probably better off with a VAFC or the AEM FIC.  I know that K Pro is the most expensive EMS, but it's also the best one out there.  I know there are guys that are running aftermarket cams on their stock ECU.  If you want to get the most out of your cams, you're better off with some form of engine management that is tunable.  I don't trust those "power tuners" that you just answer yes/no questions and don't know what it's actually doing.  If you really want K Pro on your car, you're going to want to talk to Paul (NVA-AV6).  He is the only person who has successfully installed K Pro on a K24A8.  You could also contact Cham (cstyleaccord) since he developed the dual ECU K Pro harness for the K24A4 and if he had time with a K24A8, should be able to adapt it to the DBW.

So when we are talking kpro is alot more expensive, how much are we talking....ballpark

I got my entire K Pro set up for a steal for $1200.  You can find a used K Pro ECU for like $900.  The conversion harness Cham makes is $300.  The RSX Type S a/f sensor is about $180-275, but you can find it for less if you search on k20a.  I do not know how much Paul charges for his K Pro conversion though.  It requires more parts and I am unsure of what he charges for labor.

Just so I know, what kind of k pro am I going to be looking for, is it for the rsx k20a? I am assuming so due to the comment about the a/f sensor, and is it 02-04 rsx?

this is the link to one i found on ebay....can u let me know if im headed in the right direction....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/02-04-AC ... ccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/02-04-ACURA-RSX-TYPE-S-GOOD-4-HONDATA-K-PRO-PRB-ECU-NR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1e59e04ab4QQitemZ130356890292QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDATA- ... ccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDATA-K-pro-ECU-Modification-PRB-PND-PRC-RSX-Kpro_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem45ef6a05e0QQitemZ300369446368QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

The first link is for a RSX ECU, the second link is for the K Pro modification.  If you're going to do that, you're better off buying a used K Pro'd ECU off of someone on k20a or just buy it from Hondata directly.  You can use a PRB, PND, PRC, PPA, and PNF ECU's.  FWIW, all of this information can be found on the Hondata (http://www.hondata.com/kpro.html) website.  Have you done any research on the subject yet?

i would only get the prb ecu because the conversion for the a8 is more specific, there is a full list of parts needed on the thread i posted.

Well, first Id like to say thanks for all the help. I have been trying to do the research, but to be honest, Im normally the guy who pays someone else to do all the upgrades on my car. However, while I may know about bolt ons......ecu, and all the codes and stuff everyones talking about is completely new to me. Once I grasp the whole concept and understand, I assure you I wont need to ask again.

Thanks for the patience, and all the help

There's no need for that man. We all will have questions even if we do understand shit. Happens to the best of us. If it seemed like we jumped all over you, don't take it that way. After our experiences with "other" forums, we got soured on answering the same questions over and over again and those threads cluttered up a clean forum. We strive to keep our forum neat and uncluttered because of the other forums that don't give a shit. No worries man. You didn't know. Feel free to ask away. Just make sure you post in appropriate forums. We (the mods) will move posts around to the right threads, forums, whatever until we feel you got a feel for how we operate. After that, we start giving you shit. Don't worry man. We don't bite or go ban happy unless its well deserved. Believe me. You don't fit that criteria. Yet. J/K.

Well, I would like to thank you for the clean forums, because it is pretty nice, and extremely easy to find shit.

This is what I have gathered so far...
acquire a prb hondata k pro,
as well as the 02-04 rsx type s ecu,
find a custom conversion harness,
the type s wideband a/f sensors

You really only need to get a K Pro'd ECU, there's no need to buy 2 ECU's.

also the hypertech isnt so great, it has minimal gains,and being that it has a base map already, you cant adjust anything, so what they say goes. COMPLETE waste of money, go with the fi-c tfor that then, but id wait for krpo.

the prb ecu is the same as a 02-04 type-s ecu.

so I only need the prb hondata Kpro?

You need the Prb ecu if you are going to send it to Hondata so they can put the Kpro in it. If you buy a used kproed ecu then you dont have to do any mods to that ecu.

PRB (RSX ECU) + Send to hondata for KPro = Used/new Kproed ecu.  In total you will have your stock ecu and a Kproed PRB ECU in your car.

ahhhhhhhh......now I understand, thanks for the breakdown...lol

Well, just talked to my hondata dealer, and he told me to wait a lil bit longer for k pro because they are going to be making flashpro for all drive by wire models......Any thoughts

Also, The element has the same engine, and immobilizer as I do, but they make a dual harness and Kpro for the element....whats the difference?

I'd like to see what happens with the F-Pro and all DBW vehicles.  It would be nice if that happened, but I'm a bit skeptical.  As far as the Element is concerned, I know they have the same K24A4, but I don't know them well enough to know if they ever had a DBW version.  A little research will tell you if they did though.  My guess is that there's something different and a reason why they only offer the harness for the Element.  I know that the ECU in our cars runs the gauges and HVAC, while other K series Hondas don't.  Nobody has tried it, so the only thing I could recommend is buying the harness and seeing what happens.

Sorry, when I meant all dbw, I meant like the accords, and newer SI......I cant find anything on the throttle body difference yet, but ill keep looking

Another guy already tried the current F Pro on his K24A8 and it didn't work.  I'm guessing that it will be the same unless Hondata intends on making it backwards compatible with older K Series ECUs.

I've been searching around the forum and haven't come across hardly anyone running a K24a8 with K-pro. If anyone that is running that setup or anyone that might have some insight is willing to give me some advice on the best way to achieve a K-pro/K24a8 setup that would be awesome!

There are only 2 cars that I know of with a K24A8 that are running KPro.  The first guy that had it done was active here, but then sold his car and is no longer active.  The second guy has been successfully running it for a few years now.  They were both installed/converted by the same person.  The one thing that I never liked about the conversion is that you had to use a RSX Type S gauge cluster.  That should be something that is no longer necessary because there is a company that can make an interface to allow the KPro unit to communicate with your stock gauge cluster.

I'm sure that either David (Icebox) or Paul (NVA-AV6) can provide more specific details on this since they have more hands on experience.  Here is what I know you would need to do though.  You would need to convert your car from a DBW TB to a cable TB.  You'd need to get a K24A4 cable TB and intake manifold, a RSX Type S engine harness and cruise control unit, and an 03-05 Accord throttle and cruise control cables.  In addition to that you would need a KPro ECU and the CAN Interface that I mentioned.  The CAN Interface is something that should be available soon.

Paul is really the one to talk to because he did the install, i just funded it. as tim mentioned, you have to do tb conversion but i recommend getting the rsx-s tb and tsx intake manifold which will have to fabricated to work together. paul can do that as well. make sure the kproed ecu and engine harness are from the same year rsx-s.  you will also need a secondary o2 sensor for a rsx-s and afr gauge for tuning purposes. i am not familiar with the CAN interface as tim mentioned but once i find a new job, i will be acquiring it. pm me your number and i would be glad to call you and answer any questions.

I know I'll probably be crucified for suggesting this, but in an effort to minimize total changes to my engine, would an AEM F/IC be less complex to setup, even if until I graduate college. I know Kpro is better, but If the AEM unit is a more direct approach, I think that is what I might pursue. Is there anyone who is running the F/IC or knows about it enough to offer any insight?

the aem fic only retards the timing so it would be useless, if you want to be a cheap bastard go for it but when your motor blows up dont come complaining to us. quit asking ignorant questions. SEARCH AND READ!

Leave it to Dave to be harsh as hell.

I thought I was the one that's supposed to be an asshole.  Not David.

Anyway Jeff.  Honestly, you can do whatever you want.  Regardless of whether you take our advice or not, it's your motor.  I'm not going to lose any sleep if you destroy it by cutting corners.  The AEM F/IC is a waste of time and money when you have the option of using KPro.  As David pointed out, you can only retard the timing with the F/IC.  What does that mean?  You won't make as much power as you could with KPro. 

To do a KPro set up with a K24A8, the initial investment would be higher than just buying KPro.  It may seem like a lot of work, but it's really not that hard to accomplish.

not trying to be an asshole but when people create multiple threads and ask the same questions, and continue to ignore what advice is provided, it gets a bit annoying. i spent the time to research just as many others have done, i just wish that others would do the same and not waste our time.

Preach on brother David.

I agree David.  Just trying to bust your chops a little.  You are absolutely correct though.  This topic seems to come up in every thread Jeff has created.  It seems like he's looking for validation to cut corners even though in every single thread he's posted (fuel system, cams, this one) the response has been the same (to use KPro).  What it comes down to is that you're either going to take our advice or you aren't.  Whatever you decide to do is your business and hopefully you achieve good results.  As David has already mentioned, it's annoying to get asked the same question repeatedly and then have you disregard the answer.  It's only a matter of time before people start ignoring your questions and then you'll be stuck either doing your own research or finding another group of people to pester.

I will say this.  There was another guy that tried to use the AEM F/IC to save money.  It didn't work after paying a shop to install it and try to get his car to run.  He got smart and realized that his best option was to do it properly and get KPro.  After his car was down for months and after spending thousands of dollars on his car, he was finally able to drive it again and when tuned he made 350 whp/400 tq.  What's the lesson?  He wasted time and money trying to save time and money.  Do it properly the first time and you won't have to spend extra money fixing your mistakes because you were cheap and cut corners.  If you're not prepared to spend the money up front, then don't modify your car.  Buy some bolt ons and call it a day or save your money before you build.