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Good evening, gentlemen.

I know I've been a stranger recently...but I've been working hard at school, and all my hard work has paid off.  I completed the hardest semester I've ever had and now it's time to stretch my legs.

I'm currently in Mass in an undisclosed location performing a K24a2 swap in Timmy's car.  I arrived on Thursday and set up the vehicle with Tim and his friend Dominic.  

The status update for tonight is short and unfortunately, no pictures are available.  I'll just say this...

I worked for a couple of hours with Tim and Dom setting the car up for the work I'd be untertaking.  We unloaded the fresh K24a2 from Dominic's truck and put the car on jackstands.  After about 2 hours of actual work, we went to sleep.

Tim and Dom went to work this morning and I pulled the motor myself.  It took just about 8 hours.  I'm dreadfully sorry about the lack of pictures.  There will be plenty to come since I will be returning to work tonight to install the new camshafts, help out with the LSD, and begin assembly of the new motor.

Stay on the edge of your seats...

This is going to be sick!!! Good luck and congrat's on getting through that semester.

Damn I wish I knew you were up here doing the work Skip. You have been MIA for a good bit and I'm happy for you that school is over with for you for this semester. Awesome man. As I told Mike, I want lots of pictures when you guys can because I'd love to see this as a play by play. I know I'm asking for a lot but I'm a demanding kind of guy. lol

Fucking tease lol!  Can't wait to see the results.  Tim's always a sneaky, sneaky!

Congrats on getting through the semester. Can't wait for pics.

Good luck with that shit man!

Pics or Ban, pick one, LOL

Okay.  I can ban you if you want.  Here are a few pics of the progress.  Right now we have the new motor ready to drop in.  We just need to put my UR crank pulley on, and we'll be ready to go.

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very nice man swap man. LSD FTW. Are you doing 50* VTC?

who is that asian dude? everything so red..gangster!

I definitely would not be able to do any of that shit with out some help...and sorry for the ignorance, but who is who in the pics?  Tim u with the glasses, and Skippy with the skully?

Yes, the Type R intake cam has a 50º cam gear.



You mean this guy?

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I'll clear things up since we usually post pics of our cars and not ourselves.  Sorry guys, I'm breaking the anonymity.

This is me.
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This is Dominic.
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This is Skippy.
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This is Cham.
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Yesss I see skipp is wrenching on your engine probably as i speak. Is 9:30pm here in Rotterdam. I needed a vacation too from all that work and i am glad you can get a break too Skippy. Keep up the good work man and keep the pics coming too.  That car is going to be a monster.

I'm liking the pics of the motor and tranny. The bunch of dudes, not so much. J/P. I'd love to go for a ride in this thing once the work is done and tuned. This is full of win Tim. Hell, all you guys rock in doing this build.

That is one serious list of "guests"  hopefully Dom is able to hang

whats that plastic thing in trany. i guess its not needed since you removed it?

It drips fluid over the diff.......

We didn't remove it.  We just took it out to install the LSD.

Here are the pics from today.  There is a whole bunch missing in the middle of the day because our friend Keith came over and took a bunch of pics with his camera while we were working.  If I had the correct length belt, it would be running right now.
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Amazing work... Congratulations on creating a monster.

I'm seriously envious of this build. Damn you Tim!

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Cham is so asian, he doesn't need air to operate pneumatic tools...


Good morning, boys!

Last night we finished major work on the swap and we're almost ready to start the motor.  I performed the valve adjustment yesterday morning before we hoisted the motor with the engine crane.  After Dom and I drove around for an hour trying to find a harmonic dampener tool, we were able to get the crank pulley off of the TSX motor and remove Tim's UR crank pulley to swap over.  Once the motor mounts were engaged we basically split up to cover more ground and that explains the lack of pictures for some of what we did.  As it sits, the motor has oil, the tranny is filled, the radiator has been pre-filled, and we're waiting on a properly sized belt to fill the P/S reservoir.  After that, it's time to prime the fuel system and begin the nerve-wracking 5 minute starting procedure.  It's always scary for me, especially when a LOT of work went into preparation and we were poking around in the head installing the new camshafts.  

I will say that the motor Tim got was MINT.  So mint in fact, that I've never seen one so new.  The valves were still shiny, the head was glistening when we removed the valve cover, and the camshafts just began to show wear on the lobes...

Tim and Dom are out plowing the driveway since we did get a bit of snow last night.  After they are done, we're going to the store to pick up Timmy's belts and then it's time to crank and pray.  Updates will be posted as soon as they are available.

Helluvan update Skip. MOAR PICS! lol

i dont get it. is it some kinda inside joke or something?

It is a joke Misha. Seems like it went over your head.

i am here anticipating this start up...i know you did it correct skip cause you got my car still running on the BC cams


HOPE it goes welll

:thumbup: Good stuff man your going to be flying on the highway

For a minute, I thought Skippy and Dom were twins, till you labeled who was who. Looks like Timmy is getting what he always wanted in time for Xmas.

Here's the update.  After digging out Dom's truck and his wife's car from 12"-18" of snow and clearing his entire driveway (Dom did almost all the work with his snow blower), we went to the store to pick up the much needed belts.  We got back and were ultimately plagued with the car not starting due to a bad MAP sensor.  It took us almost all day to diagnose the problem.  After figuring out the problem at the end of the day Cham went home and Skippy hit the sack.  I decided to stay up late to put more of the engine bay back together.  The list of left over stuff to do is:

- tighten header bolts
- reinstall the splash guards
- run the motor to check for leaks
- top off the coolant
- top off the power steering fluid
- reinstall the front bumper
- reinstall the hood
- street tune

I want to use this opportunity to express my gratitude for the hard work done by my friends Skippy, Cham, and Dominic.  If it wasn't for their help and support, this would have never happened.  I appreciate all the work that Skippy has done to pull the old motor and make sure the new motor went in properly without too much of a problem.  I want to thank Cham for sourcing all the parts and providing a practically brand new motor, LSD, and lots of other much needed parts, in addition to taking time out of his extremely busy schedule to come do the LSD installation, assist with swapping the cams, and diagnose the problem we had today.  I'd like to thank Dominic for providing his home and his garage so we could have a place to do the work, in addition to helping do a lot of the work and spending time away from his wife to help us.  I'd like to also thank Keith for showing up to take pictures and lend a much needed hand, and to Steve for also showing up with a much needed (but easily destroyed) tool, spare parts in case the tool we destroyed didn't work, and lending a helping hand when it was needed.  I'd also like to thank Dominic's wife for putting up with me and Skippy stealing her husband away, invading her home, and making her garage smell.  Finally, I'd like to also thank my wonderful fiance Robyn for dealing with all my bullshit, picking up parts for me, and having to spend time apart while I'm away from home working on my car.  Thank you to everyone who supported me and helped make this happen.

Wow!  This is friggin amazing!  I came back just in time!  :D

And those are some gorgeous and detailed photos.  

Great work, and great post.

(PS.  Timmy, you have PM!)

For the record, only Skippy is allowed to call me that.  Nobody else is able to call me that under any circumstances.  I just got back from driving Skippy home to NJ and meeting up with Cham to give him some parts.  I'm fucking beat.  I can say, the drive was enjoyable having some more power.  We started with my old SC tune, but switched to a pre-existing Hondata tune that they made for this exact same set up with a JRSC M62.  It made a very noticeable difference when the tune was uploaded.  I have to change my belt for something a little smaller since my belt is slipping at about 4500-6000 RPM from the belt being a little too big.  Then Cham and I can tweak my tune so I can hit my 7800 RPM redline.  I still have to install my RC 750 cc injectors and modify my auto tensioner/power steering pump bracket to fit my Skunk2 fuel rail.  After I hit 1000 miles, I also need to change my oil and tranny fluid.

good stuff Tim. got pic of completed built?

Excellent work guys.

I can't wait to get blown away by this beast!!!

yeah I think the completed swap pics are in his profile thread.

I'll give my own list of thank you's and acknowledgements.

Thanks goes out to Dominic for giving me a place to sleep and breakfast every morning (and driving an hour trying to find a harmonic balancer tool).  Thanks goes out to Jen (Dom's wife) for being patient with us and dealing with all kinds of interesting smelly situations.  A VERY big thanks goes out to Cham, whom I met for the first time during this swap.  I was honored to work with him and actually share the same working space.  There are very few people that have as much K series knowledge as he does.  Thanks to Keith for being the one person at times to see me frantically waiving my hand from under a wheel well when I needed something but Dom and Timmy were too busy talking to hear me ;) .  Thanks to Steve for helping to break that stupid crank bolt loose.  Finally, thanks to Timmy for shipping $1000 worth of my tools from Florida to Mass in order to complete the swap.  Thanks also for actually doing what I say and buying the parts I recommend so I didn't have to jerry rig crap up and deal with stuff that I'm not comfortable working with.  Finally, thanks goes to Timmy and Dom for making it warm in the garage for me while I worked.  It was pleasantly warm enough for me to conduct my business without much extra clothing, and I wasn't slowed down at all by having to warm up in the house.

The end of the story went a bit like this:

After the motor was fully installed we went to start it.  It amazingly started on the first turn of the key and we quickly filled the garage with gray smoke and carbon monoxide.  After clearing the garage, we decided to pull the car out and start it again.  We did so and the car ran ridiculously rich.  I made the mistake of connecting the TPS connector to the MAP sensor, and vice versa.  After a couple of starts, the car failed to turn over.  We had destroyed the element inside the MAP sensor by forcing voltage through it, when it was supposed to be supplying voltage in the first place.  Cham came over later that day and after 2 hours of driving back and forth, we tried to upload the tune from his laptop.  After that failed, we checked for fuel, air, and spark.  Coming up good on all three fronts, we were annoyed and tired.  Finally, Cham noticed that the MAP sensor was reading 0.0, not atmospheric as it should.  He asked me to disconnect the sensor tube and blow into it.  I did so, and when the sensor did not respond, we knew where the problem came from.  We swapped over to the sensor still on the TSX manifold and the car started right up for us.

Tim stayed up and installed some suspension components while Cham left and I went to sleep.  The next morning, I woke up to Timmy saying that there was a puddle of tranny fluid under the car.  I got up, showered, and went downstairs to the wonderful smell of new HG tranny fluid.  After confirming that the driver's axle was not fully seated in the transmission, I took the assembly apart and had Tim and Dom re-seat the axle while I watched the clearance.  After putting the rest of the side back together, we installed the wheels and took the car outside for its first actual idle time.  After topping off the radiator and watching the AFR and water temps, we packed up our clothes and other stuff and started the street evaluation.  

I started driving the car on the street and noticed a definite increase in power.  The AFR stayed consistent, so I took the liberty of beating on it a little.  In our rush to get things done, we had incorrectly calibrated the TPS, so when Kpro saw a TPS reading of 113%, it threw a CEL and disabled VTEC.  After recalibrating the TPS and messing around with some things, Timmy got to drive.  He was the first to hit VTEC now that the TPS issue was cleared.  Oh what a glorious sound....We changed the tune when we went to advance auto parts to pick up two smaller belts, and the car pulled that much harder.  

We then went to Dom's to pick up my keys (which I had left on the workbench), and then we made the trip to NJ.  Timmy drove for the first two hours, and after dinner, I drove the final two.  

Most of you know that my short term memory is shot...well..here's a funny story.  So I was driving the car home..and going on my knowledge, Timmy and I were both running TSX transmissions, so I assumed that the speed correction was the same on his as it was for me...Basically when the speedo says 85 on my car, I know I'm doing somewhere around 75.  So on the way home, I was doing my usual thing and driving what I thought was 10 over.  A while of this (approximately an hour's worth) later, Tim asked me why I was speeding, so I replied, "well, the speedo says I'm doing 90, we're in a 65 zone, and that puts me at about 10 over".  Then he said "No dude, you're doing 90".  So I said..."You have a modifry and you didn't tell me?!?!?!" "I've been doing 90mph since Connecticut!?!?!" to which he replied "yeah dude...I TOLD you that I installed one directly into the Kpro harness".  We laughed and kept on driving.  

I arrived home just shy of 9pm and had Timmy come in for some food.  After some BSing, he decided he needed to leave, and I forgot my sunglasses in his car...I forget things all the time...

So that's it in a nutshell...a successful swap.  Who's next?

Helluva story Skip. I wish I had the cash to fork out for this kind of a monstrous setup as well as have you, Cham, and Tim helping me with it. Now I absolutely have to go for a ride in this beast.

This was a sight to see. I couldn't believe all the parts strewn across Dom's garage, and how you all seemed to know exactly where everything was.

I am really looking forward to going for a ride in this beast!

It was a please meeting you Skippy and being involved in the "850 ft lbs of dude" required to break loose the bolt on the crank pulley.

what a monster.  im impressed all around

There is only one picture that is missing from the mess that has already been uploaded, and it's the one that was delivered via my cellphone of Tim's old motor suspended in the air above his engine bay.  I can't wait to see the rest of the pictures from all the other cameras that were involved in the swap, they tell a great story.  The best in my opinion were the ones of Cham and I dismantling the transmission.  Manual transmissions are so beautiful to look at, and it was such a rush to be tearing one apart in somebody's garage, rather than the environment I'm used to seeing it done in...I'm still looking at all of the pictures they took...

Awesome work guys. I regret not being able to make it our there to see this in person, and shake the hand of a legend in our community.

well done guys......awsome job

I'm glad I got to see some of this swap being done in person, and I'm also glad I finally got to meet Skip.  However, I'm not glad that I had to drive home afterwards in whiteout conditions.  

But doesn't Tim's swap plus the others that were there make the whiteout drive home worth it?

Whitnessing some of this build has done horrible things to my mind and my bank account is screaming in horror. I'll get the missing pictures to Tim soon.

First thing's first...no more monster truck stylee!

Hahaha.  Keith has been bitten by the bug again and still hasn't gotten a ride in my car yet.  It's pretty sad since I see him every day at work.  It was great seeing all the guys that came out.  I love it when I can also show off some of my work to other members (i.e. - Dave's stereo).

awesome work guys!  skip although we haven't met maybe we will down the road? you were from florida right??.....and im next!!! =]

matt, you have other priorties first, like a completed retro lol

we need some videos...c'mon tim!

You mean this picture?

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Those will come a little bit later.  I still need to button a few things up before I start making any videos.  The other problem is that the roads are pretty shitty around here because of the recent snow storm we got.  Funny story though, on Tuesday night I picked up Cham from South Station in Boston because he was taking the bus back from NJ.  We did a little street tuning on the way back and I had to pull off the freeway so he could make some adjustments after datalogging a pull.  After we uploaded the new changes, I went to go back on the freeway and was in 2nd on the on ramp.  I was at about 50% throttle and getting up to speed, so I went WOT and got loose at about 4500-5000 RPM, so I lifted.  Cham and I just looked at each other and started laughing.  Since I put on a better belt on Tuesday night and have been driving it for a couple of days now, I have a better impression of how it runs.  When Cham and I installed the SC on my K24A4, it was kinda quick compared to a K24A4 with full bolt ons.  Now, with the K24A2, the cams, and the SC, it is a huge difference.  If my car makes anywhere close to the numbers that Hondata got with this same set up and a JRSC (I'm also running the same tune), I should have doubled my whp compared to a bone stock Accord.  I'm going to try and dyno my car in a few weeks to see what I'm making with my current set up.  Once I get the aftercooler and the water/meth installed and tuned, I should be making around 350 whp.

damn.... thats nice.... i want vtec... =T

You guys are fucking crazy, you know that right! Skippy, good to see you alive and out from under those books. I'd really love for you to make it over to one of the Cars and Cafe events. Next one is 1/30. Not to mention every month in 2010 for the first 5 months there are some kick ass shows coming up.

When is the show in February Scott?  I will probably be down in FL then.

we need to set up a meet tim for when you come down to FL..lmk

@Driveaccord: Yes I'm located in Orlando.

@Scott: I really want to show up but the only problem is that they're on Saturdays and I always work.  I will attempt to take off on that day so I can come out and chill.  

I'm glad the new belt tightened up the redline area (no pun intended).  The laugh you and Cham shared was NOTHING compared to the laugh that Cham and I shared going down the highway in his car when he lit up 3rd gear.  Now THAT was a laugh!  

I need to know what's going on in February as soon as you guys know something, my schedule is EXTREMELY limited in that timeframe.  I have a GSSF pistol competition the second weekend, and then sometime around the end of the month I'm going to Seattle for a week for an AAFS conference...and sometime in the mess of all that, I need to be in Cape Coral for Ben's birthday party.  Please contact me with dates when they are available.

“Im not worthy”

Coño I have to tip my hat to you guys, you all know your shit and that is why I have always followed your advise.  


Great work guys, great work...

Wow. congrats on the swap and everything. i'll be next    hahah. but, i nkow it's a long and hard process with time and money and determination and what not. but seeing as how you guys are real close and help eah other out, esepcially with eah other car's, i'd be glad to be next. i know it won't be for a while, cause of boot camp, school, and etc. but i'm really interested in doing the swap as well. As well as a TSX 6MT swap. i'm sure time was a big factor, but would you , skippy, cham, and possibly tim, be up for helping a fellow accord member do the swap? if i read right, skippy's in orlando? i have my A school and there and might be stationed there so i could meet up with you? i can source out all the parts, motor, transmision and all the other misc items that are required, and willing to bring that along with my car to the location. but of course, this is down the road. but seeing as how tim's car got done and which i'm assuming is a monster, i'd like to give it a shot.



congrats on the swap guys. im jealous of tim. now. hah

Well, you are correct about Skippy.  Cham is now out of the country, though I'm unsure if he's coming back to the US or not.  As for me, I'm hoping to be further south in the next few years.  I fucking hate living in MA and need to go to a warmer climate with nicer people.

somewhere like TX  

TX was actually on my list at one point.  Just a quick update for those of you who are interested.  The car still runs awesome.  I just got an email the other day from the guy that's fabricating aftercooler.  It should be done by the end of the week and on it's way to me.  I will be installing that and the water/meth kit shortly after I receive the aftercooler.  I'll keep you guys updated with pics when it comes in.

One big factor that I'd like to address is the ease of swapping.  The ease of swapping falls upon the technician doing the swap, and is mostly under the control of the person receiving the swap.  Things like proper setup, availability of parts and tools, and the condition of a motor to be swapped in must all be perfectly synched in order to be installed on time and run properly.  In that respect, I will say that this swap was the easiest that I've done in recent memory.  The motor we were going to drop in was flawless, no parts we needed to use on it were broken, and Timmy did a FABULOUS job in following my directions on how I wanted everything to be set up before I arrived on site.

Tim shipped up all of my essential tools (and luckily I brought every single one I knew I'd need) at his cost.  He also procured at my request several important items like a cherry picker, all genuine honda fluids, and spare parts here and there in case I needed them.  Needless to say, doing something like this has quite a few hidden costs and things like that.  

Apart from what I just said, the other part of the operation lies in the skill of the technician performing the swap.  Generally speaking, the more swaps the tech has performed, the easier it becomes.  Typically speaking, the less amount of people working on the car, the better...less stuff gets lost and less stuff gets put back together incorrectly.  I was happy that I had an entire day to myself to pull the motor on Tim's car.  I was able to put parts where I wanted to, and this assured that when I did have help putting everything back together, I knew where to have people looking for what I needed while I was under the car.  I hated to ruin the moment of seeing Tim's face while I removed the motor from his car, but I figured it would be funny to send him a cell-phone pic of the motor suspended in the air above the engine bay.  

Since Timmy had everything I wanted and needed to get the swap done, I was able to relax, turn on some music, and pull the car apart the way I wanted to...not rushed, and not worried about stuff I might be missing later.

With that said, yeah...motor swaps are pretty straightforward.  Be cautioned though, if you want one done, have money set aside (and ready to spend) on parts or equipment that may be needed during the swap.  My experience with most people who want to do stuff to their cars is that they want the cheapest available option and they're hesitant to spend money on what they need to complete the work.  In this regard...you can't be like that...when you're investing near $4000 into a swap...an extra $200 in pocket ready to throw away if needed shouldn't be a concern.

And me!

Yeah I'm back bitches!!

wholy shit!

WHAT THE FUCK!!

Just finished reading the whole story Tim!  Awesomeness and jealosness!  I'm really proud of you for getting that CT SC on the Accord though!  I KNEW IT COULD BE DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats brother!  Good work Skippy!

Welcome back welcome back welcome baaaaaack....

Jon?...really could it be? is he back  

Thanks Jon, it's amazing to see an old friend again :)

What's that Tim?

Oh and, I've ridden in this badass bitch!

Ditto.

All the pictures of the swap are missing. Is there a way i could see them ?

Is have to look for them and fix all the links. It's been a while. Is there something specific you're looking for?

Nothing in particular. I wanted to read about your swap but without photos it isn't as much relevant. My engine is not in its best shape so I am looking to my options when I'll be sick of adding oil like if I had a two stroke engine haha

I bet your cams look like mine did on my k24a4. I'll try to get these pics back up later tonight when I'm home.

Thanks that would be great. Didn't check them yet but I know the exhaust cams are probably looking like shit. Still runs great for now so I'm keeping it but I know it won't get better.

Only gonna get worse. My exhaust cams were trashed. There was about 2-3mm worn out of the lobe from the roller.

I have to set money aside for the day I decide to swap it. I believe/hope doing this swap is easier now that back in 2009 when almost nobody has done it before. As a ultimate goal, I would like to do the 5AT --> 6MT swap at the same time so I thought is would be more cost effective to get a totalled TSX from an auction (think I can get one for around 3k or 4K) and I would have almost all the parts needed for the swap except the K-Pro and dual ecu harness.

That's a good way to look at it. You'll probably want to replace the clutch while you're at it. I'm not 100% sure about the axles too.

Would probably do an engine/tranny overhaul before it and throw a rsx-s flywheel and clutch at the same time. But I'm still just thinking about it. I don't plan doing it very soon.

How much of an overhaul are you talking about?

Thinking about gasket kit and maybe piston rings too. Mainly disassembling the block to make sure it is in good condition. Not much in the tranny thought. Seems a lot scarier to mess into it than an engine.

I felt the same way about transmissions until I rebuilt mine. When it comes to the motor, I can handle the assembly. The part that I don't have the tools or experience with is measuring all the proper clearances in the bottom end. That's the point where I bring my motor to an experienced machine shop.

As a mechanical engineering student I have acces to the university's machine shop so it make it easier for me.

You suck. My university stopped giving access to students because too many retards were getting injured. Fuck!

Well it isn't that easy lol. You got to prove that you have the qualifications to use the machines (e.g. I already am a mechanical engineering's technician).  ::)

But back to the main subject:

Did you find the pictures of your swap Tim ?  :rofl:
 

That's understandable. The tough part is getting the experience with the tools you're using.

yes i would also like to see the pictures  ;D

Instead of editing the old posts, I decided to just repost everything.  These are basically all the pictures I have from the swap.  I'll be posting a new thread with some pictures when I put my new motor back together in a few months.

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Wow what a inspiration!! Makes me want to start saving up!! :o

Trust me, that was just a stock longblock swap.  I think I have some build pictures of my other motor in my profile thread.  I'm also going to be building my motor again, so I'll be creating a new thread for that.

A lot of work involved !!  ??? Good Job !

You don't know the half of it.  I'll probably create a new build thread when I get my short block back in a few weeks.

Questions about swapping a k24a2 engine, is it possible to run it with my stock accord auto ecu ? I know it wont have the most power out of it but can it be done ? Searched but didn't find any answers. I'll replace the engine this summer and I want to know what I need to make it run with my auto transmission. If it can't be done, do I need to go dual ecu with a k24a2 ecu, does it matter if it's a auto or manual version ?

It's not a matter of whether or not you can, it's more of a matter of whether or not you should.  Which in this case, you should not.  The fuel maps are not the same between the two motors/ecu's and you will end up leaning out the k24a2 and ultimately melting the pistons and destroy it.  The proper/practical way to accomplish what you're trying to do is to get a dual ecu harness and kpro.  I don't think anyone makes a harness though, so you may have to make your own or have someone make one for you.

Could a ktuner work too? Or Tsx ecu. K-Pro isn't on the cheap side. I'll have to check with them if it even is possible to run it with an automatic transmission.

KPro was more expensive until they dropped the price last year.  I forgot about KTuner.  I have no experience with it, but that may be the best option.  Honestly, engine management is the most important performance upgrade you can purchase.  Don't be cheap about it.  I guarantee that it will cost you more money in the end when you try to cut corners.

I'm sure KTuner is good though, but I haven't really read anyones feedback about it yet.  It may be limited when compared to KPro, but then again, it may be what you need right now for the cost and capabilities.  The only other engine management I would use besides KPro is MoTec.

I emailed ktuner to see if they have a product for me. I know they have an ecu for the automatic accords so that's a good start. I'll do the same later with hondata and compare both pros/cons with price. Don't want to be the
Cheapest possible but I know k-pro was overpriced last time I checked.

KPro used to be $1000, now it's $700. 

If KTuner has an ecu option that will work with the Accord, then you're fine.  You just want to be able to tune the motor with the ecu, which is what KTuner will do.

Ktuner told me it would work using only their unit, no need for dual ecu. I am just waiting for a price tag for the ecu (need a 05 only ecu), ktuner mod and maybe a basic tune for the a2 engine.

That's honestly the best option for you.  For what you want/need, KTuner sounds like the best solution.  You'll be able to make good power safely with that option and not have the additional expense and complexity of running a dual ecu set up.  I'm glad I ditched the dual ecu's and have been able to just use the one KPro ecu.

What year k24a2 do you have ? 04-05 or 06-08 ? The question is related to your thottle body. I saw on your profile that you used a rsx type s throttle body. Are they bolt on or do they need an adapter plate ? can you still use the cruise control on this TB and is there a coolant port too ?

I had an 05 k24a2 long block.  That set up is long gone and the only thing left of it is just the engine block and crank that has been sleeved and built to the 2.5l motor I have today.  Yes, I was using a k20a2 throttle body when we did the swap, but I was already using that throttle body because of the supercharger.  Since it was a supercharger meant for the RSX Type S, I needed to run it to fit the inlet of the supercharger in the CT set up.  Since you have the ability to tune, you're probably better off using a different intake manifold that's not the TSX or Accord.  If you're not planning on using a better intake manifold, then an adapter plate will be needed.  The k20a2 throttle body does retain cruise control, but the cables are different lengths.  I think I had to have a cable bracket modified to work with the Accord cables.  Honestly, it's not a big deal to do.  I may even have the old set up I used with the bracket somewhere in my garage.  The k20a2 also has the coolant passages for the IACV.

Okay that's some good info, since i dont have your supercharger setup, maybe the k20a2 TB isn't really such a necessity.

Meanwhile, I checked the TSX IM thread and figured out that the easiest way to make it work is , if 04-05 k24a2, just put my accord TB and call it a day, and if a 06-08 k24a2, swap the IM for a 04-05 and then put my accord TB.

Does all of this makes sense ?

That's exactly what I would do.  It makes perfect sense to me.

Thanks man! Your help is always appreciated !

Dose this mean you have K24A2 with a CABLE throttle body rather than a DBW? If yes this is really fine, the response of the cable throttle body is quite helpful.

Yes. I guess you could say that. Since I have an 03 Accord, it already has a cable throttle body. No changes or conversion was necessary. If you have a car that came with a DBW throttle body, it would require some modification to convert.

What? Did you just repin your harness? I'm about done remaking Chams harness :'( all that time wasted...

It's a little more complex than repinning my ECU harness. I ended up getting my hands on a CAN converter that was made by a company for a very short period of time. This allowed me to use just my kpro ECU and still run my gauges and ac. I just had to repin my ECU harness for the kpro/ep3 ECU.

It's not perfect and there are some minor bugs. It took a bunch of trial and error with the calibration of the board for my specific set up for the speedo to read correctly. In some ways it's easier, but in others it's not.

My hope is that the CAN output on kpro v4 will work with our gauge cluster. The problem is that I won't know until I get it and try it out. Hondata said it doesn't work, but to try it anyway.

Good luck with that. I guess your dammed one way or another. I was thinking of just getting a racepak and be done with it ;D

I know someone that works for Haltech that has been trying to get me to make the switch. For me, I'd like to be able to run two sets of injectors, but only have the second set operate during high boost/rpm situations.

tim,I get jdm k24a swapped to my accord with control by tsx 08 ecu today, car runs well with a small issue, the water temperature seems higher than a k24a8,the fan triggers frequently with environment temparature 4 to 10 degree, im still running stock radiator, do I need to upgrade it?

tim, the engine is marked as RBB-2 on engine head side.

You shouldn't need to upgrade the radiator. I ran a 500 hp supercharged set up on a stock radiator.

They probably didn't bleed the coolant properly. What temperatures are you logging for the engine?

I didnt check numbers today,No difference from gauge,I just niticed the cooling fan acts not like it being with k24a8, in past days cooling fan had few chances to be triggerred, obviously the fan is so busy today, the upper pipe is too hot to touch,the lower one feels not being cooled enough and its still very hot.

I'd check the numbers to be sure. I'm not sure what temp the fans kick in at, but it could be air in the coolant.

I checked the numbers, the logic is correct,fans trigger at 199F, no over heat till now, it seems 10.5 compression ratio makes more heat then fans work frequently,will keep monitor and prepare next step.

One more question,I dont feel significant improvements on low end torque eve less than k24a8. I saw a8 intake manifold owns a plastic plenum under it,this should be for performance low end, do you have any info fir it, I even thought to swap that stock manifold to this JDM K24a to have a look.
BTW, do you replace your intake/header gasket each time you uninstall them like the service manual required?

Tim, i ve got jdm k24a swap done from stock 07 a8 weeks ago.I dont feel significant change daily drive.Its even a little bit worse on low end and mid range as vtec engage on 6000. I m considering to swap back 07 manifold as there is plenum under manifold for low end torque, But i m not quite sure how much I will gain on loe end and lost on high end?

BTW, do you think 0708 tsxmanifold will gain obviously on low end if swapping?

You probably won't notice a huge difference, but it shouldn't be worse. An 07-08 TSX manifold would help. Which manifold are you using.

Do you have an AT? What are you using for tuning?

its stock rbb manifold which i guess a 0405,i have stock DCLA AT on it,maybe i 'm not on correct tuning as I am running stock 08 tsx ecu in my car.will try to get flashpro to let vittune do some work.I live overseas so not sure difficulties for purchasing a 08 rbb manifold.