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I'm at the point where I either am going to trade my Accord in on something with a manual, or start putting money aside for a swap.  Does anyone know what all is involved and how hard is it?  Is it something I could complete?

I've done a few on some front clip Celica's and a couple civics, but they weren't nice cars to begin with.

Is the pedal swap involved, what about the shifter?  How much would i be looking to pay someone (who knows that the fuck their doing, because if they didn't i would do it) to do something like this?

Thanks guys.

I think msedeca has done it, so you might want to PM him if he doesn't chime in at some point. As for anything else, I dont have a clue.

Bill, you're right. Mike has done it. He's been a bit inactive lately but Skip has had his hand in some of those as well. Skip would be the guy to talk to.

Here's the thread where the swap was mentioned to Lex (K24Low20z). There's some links in it with regards to what you're talking to Cole.

http://elitecm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1275&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=0

HTH.

I'm glad you posted this. I've been thinking about doing this swap later down the road.

Skippy would be the guy to talk to about 6MT and what not. There is a 5MT swap package on sale on gen7

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ok guys.. my tranny took a shit on me last night and i would love to the the at to mt swap but not sure where to start.. any type of help would be really helpfull..

You'd need the pedal assembly, tranny, ECU (I think), clutch lines, clutch assembly, flywheel (might as well get the RSX-S one as its lighter than the Accord one), and I'm not sure if there's anything else.

Here is a list of what I know you would definitely need.

transmission
flywheel
clutch
mt brake pedal
clutch pedal
clutch master cylinder
clutch slave cylinder
clutch lines (I recommend an aftermarket line from K-Tuned)
front and rear transmission mounts

I'm pretty sure you don't need a MT ECU, but it may be a good idea to get that and a MT gauge cluster.  That's what I would get if I were doing the swap.  Your best bet is to try and get a hold of Mike (msedacca) since he has done the swap.  There's another guy Wai Pang or something that did a MT to AT swap.

Also, if you want, I have an Accord 5MT for sale that's sitting at Skippy's place in Orlando.  His MT is also for sale too.

Yeah, we've been texting back and forth all day.

K24Low20z: you do not need the wiring harness, ecu or gauge cluster.
you will need axles for the one side (not sure which until I see what I have)
You will be receiving the accord LW FW (not RSX)
various transmission mount and assembly bolts (I reused most of my bolts from my swap)
Clutch and brake pedal
Master and slave cylinder
various clutch lines

I'd like to know how you killed your transmission.

Probably normal driving... Honda Tranny's aren't exactly bullet proof..

Pang, I suggested the RSX-S FW as its lighter than the boat anchor of a flywheel the Accord is equipped with. As for the guage cluster, why run an AT cluster when its a manual?

Z, wouldn't you have to get the correct mileage programmed into the new cluster? Also, what's the difference between the two clusters, besides the gear lights?

@Mike: I have heard of AT tranny's on the V6 blowing but not on the K24. this is why I am asking. upon further communication with Alex (K24low20z); he said he has a lot of bolt on and mentioned that a solenoid inside the tranny went; I am assuming that he is referring to a valve body blew or malfunctioned.

@Crackerteg: I understand that you are only suggesting but the fw that I am including in his transaction is a F1 LW FW and new exedy oem clutch. The FW is approximately 13 lbs (i'm not positive about the weight, it's been a while since I bought this).

Are you comparing stock to stock weight?

Yes, the accord FW is heavy, this is why I bought the F1 LW FW for my original plans of just doing the clutch job instead of what I ended up doing.

I know some or most of you guys would only suggest brand name products or oem but I have used this brand of fw in other applications and it works flawlessly, this is why I bought this FW in the first place.

@Jeff: I am not sure about the programability of the gauge cluster. My shift indicator on the shift console works well enough so I will not bother with swapping gauge cluster.

I don't think the gauge cluster is programmable.  Another thing to consider is whether or not it's really necessary.  If you do an AT to MT swap, you'll have a constant blinking light because the cluster will not sense the AT.  As far as the flywheel discussion, I'm sure that Z recommended the RSX Type S flywheel because it is 14 lbs, compared to the 22.5 lbs of the stock Accord flywheel, there are a lot more aftermarket options for the RSX Type S, and because of OEM reliability and cost.  In my experience, aftermarket lightweight flywheels are more expensive than OEM.  A 13 lb flywheel should be alright for his sedan.  If you go too light, you may have better throttle response, but you'll have to rev higher to get moving since Alex has a heavier sedan.

I've seen several problems with the transmission in 4 cylinders as well. CrazyCreashuns is the most recent from this site.

@K24low20Z- If this is indeed just a solenoid issue, and didnt take anything else with it you should look into having the solenoid changed. I had a couple of solenoids go on my other halfs car, and I found a local shop and they changed them for $200.

lol :D
@Mike: I'm not the one having the issues. Alex is. he said he got three codes, one was for an internal solenoid (I think it is the valve body) and another one for the shift solenoid and one other one which I have no idea of.

@ Timot_one: which light will be blinking? the "D" light?

I know who is having the issues my comment was pointed at him...  According to the codes I'd be looking into

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=ACCORD&catcgry2=2004&catcgry3=4DR+EX&catcgry4=KA5AT&catcgry5=AT+SOLENOID+VALVE+SET+%28L4%29 (http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=ACCORD&catcgry2=2004&catcgry3=4DR+EX&catcgry4=KA5AT&catcgry5=AT+SOLENOID+VALVE+SET+%28L4%29)

I think those are the internal solenoids not 100% but, when I had my done I remember talking to the guy in the shop about what the issues were, and he mentioned internal solenoids going and causing damage to the clutch packs.

I believe it is the D light that blinks.  I've only sat in Mike's car when I was down in Charleston last year.  I really don't remember which light it was.

ok thanks guys for all the help and now i know what route i want to go with.. i found someone local that is selling me everything i need from the car to make the swap happen including a motor with 83000 miles from a 06 sedan plus all the misc parts i will need to complete the swap.. the car is in the shop now and the old motor is being pulled from the car along with the blown tranny..

Another question will be how do i wire up the reverse lights to work?

ok so today i pulled all my parts for the swap that is going to happen on monday.. i cant believe it is actually happening... lol i cant wait till monday to be here.. i found a RSX S flywheel on craigslist that i will picking up tomorrow..

Badass man.  I'll have to check this out when I'm down in FL in a few weeks.  Hopefully I have time to hang out while I'm down there.

Its about fucking time you did a manual swap Lex. Autotragics are absolutely no fun.

@tim: your beast is bad ass, mine is just getting there ;)...i found also a TSX motor but the guy wanted too much mula for it.. ill just wait till my motor really blows, for now ill just put the other long block for sale and get atleast $300-450 for it so ill be good not sure if i want to swap my motor for just another accord motor so decided to just ride it out till it goes or atleast another year.. also the motor that i got with the tranny today was left with the head exposed to the elements wich did not look too healthy for the motor.... Main reason i decided to hold off on the motor swap and just go with my original plan and just make the swap over to MT..

@Z: Well thanks to you guys i pulled my pants up and grabbed my two nuts and decited to take the plunge... :flip: you should be welcoming me all over againg to the MT boys club.. i cant wait till is all done.

ill be looking into rsx-S clutch tomorrow, and picking up the OEM RSX flywheel for a HID kit..lol is that a good deal

Glad we convinced you to finally sack up man.

He finally grew a pair.

Nice. Glad you are able to do this finally.
Sounds like you are pulling the motor out as apposed to dropping the sub-frame.

You know Lex, you could always build up that motor you picked up as opposed to going the easy route and just swapping in a k24a2 like some people did. :cough: Tim :cough

Are you srsly?  I have more than just a K24A2 swap.  I guess you didn't know that I have another block and type s head sitting in my garage.

Just wanted to get you going man.  :D

Dick!  :finger:

Back on topic now.

Ok guys the swap is officially done and driving like never before...the clutch pedal feels really hard tho, not sure if the act stage two clutch needs to brake in.. I feel like my leg is being worked out :D

ACT doesn't make clutches in "stages".  Which ACT pressure plate to you have.  They have the sport, heavy duty, and xtreme.  That's what really would be making your pedal so stiff.

yeah tim, im running a Heavy Duty pressure plate.. i also forgot to adjust the pedal travel so i woulnt have to push the clutch all the way dow to get it in gear.. i also have to change out a  bad axel on the pass side other than that it is running hard....

a lil road tale from today... a c240 v6 03-05 try showing off and guned it..i was like lets see what this 5 speed is all about... down shifted to secound and floored it on his ass till he gave way still trying to push it hard.. i put it on third and starded pulling on him hard.. the guys face was priceless when i told him it was just a lil 4 cyl :)

Imagine what would have happened if it were my car.

you would of blown his doors off with your beast Tim...i so need a tsx 6peed tranny to lower rps on the freeway to cruise at lower rps for better gas milage.. with the five speed trany on fith on the freeway my rps are over 3+  and it feel like im wasting more gass

The final drive ratio with the TSX is the same as the Accord.  The main difference is that the TSX tranny has shorter gears, which gives you better performance because you're in the power band more.  How fast are you going at 3k?

i see, thanks tim.. thats going about 70-75 mph's

That seems about right.  The Accord 5MT is the economy transmission, so you'll get better gas mileage with that.  It's all about how you drive though.

i cant be happier with my car than ever....it feels so good having the extra power the AT was holding back, i been driving it for alsmost two weeks and no signs of any kind of trouble.. i do have a really big issue  :'( i dont have reverse lights.. :P

That's kind of odd that you don't have reverse lights.  I'd have to look at a wiring diagram to see why they're not working.  I don't have my service manual with me though.

Reverse lights are overrated. Nobody pays attention to that shit. Maybe I'm saying that since I've been in an area where drivers REALLY don't give a fuck for the last year.

I wish I had a wiring diagram with me.  I'd try and fix it for ya while I was in town.

Hmm.. this is definetely something I want to do in the near future to my autographic.

How much would it cost if I get a TSX 6MT with an RSX FL? And all the other stuff, clutch lines, clutch,etc.

 I know it depends on the shop, if I get k-tuned clutch lines, etc, but give me a rough ballpark figure guys  ;D

yo dude, ive been researching on doing my 5at > 6mt swap if you could be pm me with the complete list of what you used that would help out alot. and how much it cost.

thanks in advance.

Very old bump, but this would be a nice upgrade for the AT owners.  Any one care to disclose ball park costs??

Alex (K24low20Z) just did a swap hit him up.

Ican get these parts for a fairly decent price. Anyone know of anyone who can do this swap in so cal?

Just look around dude.. I don't think much people here are from so cal, if anyone is.

I can't say that I know of a shop that's in that area.  If I were you, I'd do some research into a few shops in your area before making a final decision.  A swap like this isn't terribly hard, but some shops will cut corners to save money and get it done faster.

project import in orange, ca. they've done the swap before on our accords. they seem like they know they shit but I don't have any first hand experience with them. when I talked to them they were talking about $1000 at the least in labor.

Thanks dudes. I've done all the installs on my car but pulling a tranny seems a bit above my skills.

I know pann auto in kearney mesa will do it but those guys charge an arm and a leg. Oh thanks for the parts list too. Ima save up for a bit and do this thing right.

This is happening soon, very soon  ;D

Help! Anyone here still active and have done the conversion?! Seems like there is a wire harness that goes through the firewall where the clutch master is supposed to go. Some pictures of how you setted it up would be quite appreciated.

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