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from car and driver. new SHO gets 365hp/350tq 3.5L twin turbo V6. this gona be intresting

Ford will find a way to make it way slower than what it should. Domestics FTL!!!

Noble?

Noble what?

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Uses a Ford twin-turbo V6

365HP on a 3.5L TT, what a f'n waste, that should be 400-500HP

Ford always finds a way to fuck up their cars

only once that somewhat ok are high end that cost arm and leg that you can get better forming car for same price

Out of all cars the Taurus  that's something to stay tune too lol

Anyone know what the price point is going to be on this?

I saw this a while ago on Acurazine but actually got to see the car in person at the auto show(non twin turbo).  I didnt really like it but the old SHO was a monster and I loved the body style at the time!

it's still a ford.......

haha thats what i say about their mustangs! the new Camaro SS gets 420 hp, while the new Mustang GT has 315.

the new Camaro Z/28 though...thats a different story  

i never understood the SHO.  its a fucking Ford Tortise!
if you want performance and are a ford/domestic fanboy, go with the myraid of other options.  what's the point of a 365hp grocery getter with no class?

and a base price of $38K?  nice one Ford.  produce some more cars that nobody is going to buy.  its not like we're in a recession and your auto sales have already shit the bed or anything.

they just should put some euro fords up here. small and somewhat fast(ford rs i think(5cyl turbo)

How is this news?  Who cares about the taurus?

All and all, it's still a Ford.

I disagree I think they are targeting the Charger market with the SHO. I know that the chrger is alot nicer but, for doesn't have a car in it's class(four door performance). I don't think it is nice or will sell much but, I think that is the idea that Ford has in doing this.

then why not go after it with the mustang??

The mustang is a different market it's a 2 door coupe.

especially a honda owner??  taurus suck ass

Hate to say it, but I like the 2010 taurus.  It's not overpriced for what you get.  It's got a great interior, looks pretty good on the outside, and 365hp.  Find another car optioned out the same way with awd and 350 or more hp in the just barely large car segment for the same price.  Id' say pontiac g8, but that has a cheap interior in comparison, and only rwd which sucks when your as far north as I am.  Hopefully it will handle well given the car about he same size as a 2008/9 accord and weighs a bit more due to better sound deadening.  Given the choice between a 2009 accord exl v6 navi and a similarly equipped tuarus sho, I go with the taurus every time.  Both cars are a bit large for me, but i'd be really interested if they dropped that engine in a fusion.

A Taurus over an accord is blasphemy. Consider reliability, and aftermarket support!

who cares what its optioned with.


2010 acura TL SH-AWD starts around $39000. so you realy thing fords twin turbo will outperform acura? plus we will see power to weight ratio on that thing

TL 0-60 is 5.5sec i think(can somebody find exact number?
SHO 4.8?


sho has matchrev downshift. hmm where did they steal that idea from? 370Z? very original

i'm pretty sure it will outperform the tl in a straight line (similar weight (~3800-3900 lbs, more power).  Corners are up in the air until someone actually pushes it.  There are also similarly equipped and once you add a moonroof.  I'm pretty sure you can spec it so that it has fore features that even the top line acura tl sh-awd (heated and cooled front seats or heated rear seats anyone, adjustable pedals, active motion seating).  And with a decent interior (not german quality yet, but getting close), and a much nicer exterior than the tl, i'd probably go for the ford anyhow.  The only thing that would make me choose the tl is the 6sp manual they offer with their sh-awd, and the potential that it outhandles/provides better steering feedback (although ford is among the best with thier upper trim level cars with this too).

As for reliability, fords newest cars tend to be just as or more reliable than their japanese counter parts.  Conserning the revmatching, very manufacturer copies the next.  You could say nissan copied it from the supercars so its anyone's guess as to who they copied it from.

If the tl is 0-60 in 5.5, i'd expect the SHO to go 0-60 in 5.1-5.2.  .7 seconds is a huge difference for 60hp, esp considering its a turbo so there will be some turbo lag although the twin turbo design minimizes this.  The difference will likely be more apparent in the quarter mile.  0-60 wise, I'd expect a 6sp manual tl to be able to keep up.  In the quarter mile, i'd expect the sho to pull ahead.

For near 40 G's why would you consider a taurus? 335i with a twin turbo v6 is 6x the car! If this taurus could be had a 30 or below it might have a place. Maybe they are trying to compete with the hyundi genisis?

The taurus competes with the bmw 5 and 7 series not the three series.  Good luck getting a similarly equipped bmw 5 series (or even 335i for the matter) for that price.  If your looking for the best driving experiences, a base model bmw 5 series is probably the one to get, but if you value things like leather, memory power seats, and awd, and compared to bmw, reliability along with decent power and reasonably sporty handling while still providing a smoother ride than the 5 series, the taurus is for.  Its not going to be a bmw when it comes to driving dynamics, but once it comes to carrying 4 adults in relative comfort and luxury while still providing lots of fun when the roads are empty or twisty and your along, the taurus can't be beat for the price.  (hey, that sounds like why a lot of us bought our accord)  You gotta compare apples to apples.  As for the hyundia genesis sedan, the suspension problems are reason enough to leave it alone.  It doesn't have enough travel and doesn't even have sporty pretensions.  (visit a hyundia forum to read what i mean).  It's also more of luxury car than a touring car like the SHO is (not sure you can call a car as big as the taurus a sports car)

OMG your defending a ford taurus. You would really drive a taurus over a twin turbo v6 3 series? I'd like to know how many others share your opinion? Am I crazy to take a 3 over this taurus?

you put Ford and reliability in same sentence?

Thank you!!!

^And that's coming from a previous Ford owner!^

I wouldn't personally drive a taurus over a 3 series, but I know plenty of people that would because they need the extra room.  The three series does not have a lot of room in the back seat while the taurus, as a large car, does.  Personally, I'd like to get my hands on a 335i coupe, but you can't compare it to the Taurus because of how much smaller it is.  You'd be better comparing it to a mustang if you want to compare it to a ford, but they are such different cars that they don't really compete.  (Mustang's price is much lower than 335i, but 335i is a much nicer and better driving car).

In terms of reliability (in things gone wrong), European vehicles < North American < Japanese as a rule of thumb, and BMW is probably the least reliable German brand (French and Italian brands are probably worse), and even if they aren't, their dealership service experience is generally horrible (although there are some really good dealers, non of them are near me).  If I was to buy a new vehicle here in Calgary, I'd buy anything but BMW just because of the dealership experience.  I'd consider a used BMW though as I wouldn't have warranty to worry about and could do my own maintenance so the dealerships would never see my car for warranty work and as such I wouldn't need to worry about the dealership taking my car for a joyride and breaking something else.

As for ford reliability, they have made some pretty massive strides.  I know a lot of people who owned earlier models won't touch a ford car, but all the people I know with fords introduced or updated after 05 have been very happy with their their reliability and have had no major problems with their cars.  Before 05 though, and it 50/50 you'd have a lemon (their trucks were decent i guess, but their cars had more transmission problems than early honda v6 5sp autos).

Okay I don't know what your grudge is here with BMW service. But, i've owned both a BMW, and a Ford and the service at BMW dealerships at least near me was 100000000000 times better than for dealerships, and when I had my cobra I had an oil like I took it to nine dealerships before one fixed it under warranty! IMO Ford service, and reliibiltiy blow!

Actually its more the dealer network (two dealers, one owner) in Calgary, and few other cities in Canada owned by the same people that have a very bad reputation.  There's a website dedicated to keeping people away from this dealership because so many people have been burned.  Go 3 hours north to Edmonton, and their dealers are very good (probably like the ones in your area).  Every area is different, but when you buy a premium vehicle you expect premium service and where I live, that's not the case.  At least with ford I get the level of service I expect.  That being said, I wouldn't really cross shop ford and bmw, but rather I'd compare bmw with audi, lexus, etc that are also premium vehicles with great service.

This is why American Car Companies are going out of business!! Talk about making a freakin under achiever!! a 3.5 liter TWIN Turbo V6 making 365 is awful and for a performance car?!?! Theres a hanful of cars you can get for cheaper with the same displacement and more HP w/ minor work. What a freakin joke! I mean really this is right up there with the amazing 4.0 liter V6 Mustangs making an astonishing 210 hp! Just an amazing bang for your buck! GOD DAMN IT THIS GETS ME HEATED!!

K just read the rest of what Sworkhand had to say,.. AWD is a big difference!! but its still a porker! I mean I could see this stealing a few sales from the Hemi Chargers, I mean gas isnt as bad as it was but it still aint cheap and still, hearing V8 makes folks shiver.

Ford is pointless. I had a 02 Taurus and engine blew @ 49k on the clock (CARMAX car). That been said, the only way I will drop out Hondas will be for BMW's, which i think, Honda is better for the price you paid.

The performance for the engine size is no more awful the than bmw's 300hp 3.0L twin turbo inline six.  In fact, it actually provides more hp per liter.  It competes with with chargers, the 300c, pointiac g8, nissan maxima's, and even the acura tl.  It is a bit heavy, no disagreement there, but considering it's one of the quetest cars an the market in it's class, that's not surprising.  The nice thing comared to the other cars meantioned is you can probably boost it to 400hp easily with a simply tune and given it's domestic, such tunes will probably be available within months instead of the years it takes for honda ecus to be cracked (still not readily available ecu for our cars for example, but you can tune a ford fusion (released in 06) with a $600 tuner and a laptop for years already, and there's really no point to tuning that car because of the lack of aftermarket parts available for it...  I'd expect to see some reviews in the next few months so we'll know how well it performs then, but i'd expect it to be similar to an acura tl sh-awd 6sp manual.


Every company has it's problems.  The 02 taurus was a surprisingly reliable car for most people.  Japanese have thier problems as well, take for example, the 3 acura tl's i've seen with with busted engines after 40000 miles.  That being said, I do believe that in general honda does take better care of it's customers, and those 3 actura tl's had the powertrain replaced for free and a 7 year warrent slapped onto the powertrain, something ford likely didn't do for you.  Usually german < domestic < japanese once the cars are more than 5 years old in terms of things gone wrong.  Before that (years 0-5), the differences are very minor and there is very little difference.

LOL you continue to worry me!!! There are some differences in the way car companies release HP numbers. Usually japanese/german cars understate there output. You would have to put the engine on an engie dyno to really find out. I think you are out of your tree to think this car will be any where near the TL, or the maxima maybe in initial performance but, after 5 or 6 years the Ford is shit. Trust me i've owned my own personal junk yard full of there products! My girl's kid sister drive's an 02 taurus and it's been to the shop more times in 7 years than all the toyotas and honda i've ever owned added together. You might like this car, but to try and compare longevity is just not wise.

I seem to remember reading in a motortrend article that BMW extensively detuned or even lied a little about the 335i's power at first simply because they had not yet released the E90 M3s yet and did not want to kill sales for the E46 M3s in its last year. Ive heard that car is closer to 300 whp than 300 crank hp. But then again this is just what I remember ill try and find that article.

Either way Ford dissappoints me! Even looking at their 2010 Mustang. Design isnt bad at all and neither is the SHOs but a 4.6l V8 putting out 315hp now a days is laughable, and I wouldnt be so dissappointed if it wasnt the same company!  

With Cars like the Challenger R/T - 380hp GTO - 400hp as well as the G8 - 350hp, A mere 365hp for their top of the line performance trim is pretty underwhelming. Even worst is most of those cars I listed werent even the high performance trims. All in all I must say my original post did neglect the sheer awesomeness of a OEM Boosted Vehicle as well as the possibility for a "SHO+"? In the long run say a good $4-7k invested in a 3.5l TT AWD sedan should have more than enough power to run with anything mentioned. Only if they could find a way to keep that price down! ehh! Thats my final .02

No disagreement about the mustang 4.6, but once again the audi tt (a nicer car no doubt) is smaller than the SHO and as such doesn't directly compete.  Only the g8 competes (the gto is 2 door, try hauling a family with that).  That being said, ford's coming out with a 400 hp 5.0 for 2011 mustang gt which shouldn't be too bad.  I'm just saying, you have to remember the target market and and the market segments it competes in.  For most of us car enthusiasts, this is not the car you want to drive, but for people who like a large car, with a decent interior and lots of features, and above average power for the segment, its a good value.  

As for the 02 taurus reliability statement, they were either really good or really bad, but compared to earlier years taurus, there were more really good than really bad.  Not close to japanese quality, but pretty good for a domestic car at the time.  Later model fords 06 plus have gotten much better and I personally won't buy a ford before the 06 model year, but i'm willing to compare thier later models to japanese cars when I'm buying a new car.  They are in the best shape of the big three and seem to have some good upper management in place that seem to understand that to suceed you have to build vehicles people want.  Ford is counting on reducing warrenty cost with their ecoboost line of engines so i'm pretty confident the SHO will be a reliable, decent performing car.  There are better choices for driving enthusiasts, but overall, I hope this car preforms as well as promised and is a sucess for Ford.

This is my final .02 on this matter as well.

Where did I mention an Audi TT? I said a 3.5l TT (Twin Turbo) AWD Sedan

But either way that 5.0 sounds pretty damn beast and Im excited to hear that! I have to admit! I havent kept up with upcoming cars as I normally do considering all the research I do on my car but that being said! I brought up the GTO and Challenger because they are some of the Original American Muscle Machines from other competitors and didnt wanna throw out false hp #s for the Charger R/T w/o being sure! For the Record I Fux wit Sedans!

Anywho! I understand what Ford is shooting for in this market. But at first glance I just saw another OEM dissappointment coming out of their garages wearing a ford badge and racing stripes when it was undeserving of praise! And to be Honest tho! Ima lil scorned that people praise this car and not my Idolized Mazdaspeed6 which was by far my dream car for a while! But thats enough on that!  Wheres the next car for debate?!

Either way my final .02 on this thread

Where did I mention an Audi TT? I said a 3.5l TT (Twin Turbo) AWD Sedan

But either way that 5.0 sounds pretty damn beast and Im excited to hear that! I have to admit! I havent kept up with upcoming cars as I normally do considering all the research I do on my car but that being said! I brought up the GTO and Challenger because they are some of the Original American Muscle Machines from other competitors and didnt wanna throw out false hp #s for the Charger R/T w/o being sure! For the Record I Fux wit Sedans!

Anywho! I understand what Ford is shooting for in this market. But at first glance I just saw another OEM dissappointment coming out of their garages wearing a ford badge and racing stripes when it was undeserving of praise! And to be Honest tho! Ima lil scorned that people praise this car and not my Idolized Mazdaspeed6 which was by far my dream car for a while! But thats enough on that!  Wheres the next car for debate?!

Either way my final .02 on this thread

Woops.  Reading > Me I guess.  Thanks for the clarification.

I guess I'm going to stop staying quiet on this topic now. The easiest and best way I can put this as far as Ford reliability goes is this: found on road dead, or fix or repair daily. No matter how many "refinements" the big 3 make, they are not like they used to be. Funny thing is, every time a new model comes out they are riddled with TSBs and recalls. I still say it will be garbage.

Since you decided to post this mis-information, i feel obligated to reply

The ford Fusion: 0 recalls
the ford Taurus 500: 0 recalls - ufi issued a recall about an aftermarket fuel filter they made, but ford never issued a recall on this car.

These are both cars that were released since 2006 and they have 0 recalls.

The focus still has it's share of problems, but that car is 10 years old.  We'll see how the 2011 focus (all new focus) does.

Ford cars have improved by leaps an bounds over the past few years and in general is now on par with Honda and Toyota.

SO GO BUY ONE ALREADY!!!!

I don't want this car anymore than anyone else (I can think of a lot of cars that i'd rather have), but I'm not about to start bashing the car for something it isn't either.

Defend them all you like, but the fact still remains. Ford is garbage, as well as the other 2. Give those two vehicles you stated some time and there will be recalls and TSBs for them. Like Mike said, if you're going to defend them tooth and nail, go buy one already.

Its like the same as saying a Honda B Series engine comes with a ridiculous amount of tourque, perhaps that analogy is better HAHA

dont all honda 4 cyl engines have luck of tourque?

not really.  the k series has a lot broader torque curve than the b series due to vcm.

LOL i'm pretty sure he was joking.

I'm positive he was joking. LOL!

The new TL's are ulgy. If I had the money I would get a SHO.

(http://gallery.carreview.com/data/car/708/medium/2010_ford_taurus_sho_01.jpg)

I test drove one and wasn't overly impressed to be honest with you.

I am not going to lie... The SHO has some sex appeal compared to the new TL buttttttt i also use to own a ford and i think reliability was never in the criteria when R/D went into there cars. The only car i would consider buying from ford is not even available over here (SEXY RS).  

here is a Video of the 2010 Ford SHO (3.5L TT 365HP) vs the 2009 Infinity G37 (3.7L 328 hp V6)
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I'd rather have the G37.

was it g37 or G37x? couse im pretty sure sho is awd