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Title: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: Jeff Likes Bagels on November 11, 2010, 04:14:23 PM
This has been something that my car does since day one. I've always thought that it was an effect from the car being FWD. But now I'm curious as to what exactly causes it.

Basically, when I'm at a stop light, and am taking a right turn while powering at maybe half throttle or more, the front tires (or chassis, it's hard to tell) will start shaking until the car is straightened out. At first I thought it was the tires skidding across the pavement, but I'm not sure.

Like I said, I'm just curious as to what causes that to happen. I don't know if any of you guys have experienced this before, or if it could be something related to the AT, or what. It happens on every right turn when powering hard.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: CYANiDE on November 11, 2010, 04:17:49 PM
Could be wheel hop. Take it easier on the throttle.


Title: Re: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: Jeff Likes Bagels on November 11, 2010, 04:23:40 PM
Ahhh I guess that makes sense. It's so annoying when I don't power the turn when I want to get up and go, because when I take it light, the car upshifts to second, then when I straighten out I have to punch it to get to to downshift back to first, lol. Too many unnecessary shifts :P

Edit: I just tried it again, and it definitely seems like wheel hop. I guess there isn't really anything I can do about it, besides getting stiffer mounts. Plus from what I've heard, the Ingalls ETD doesn't really make a difference.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: slipkord on November 11, 2010, 05:33:59 PM
Aren't you auto? You won't get wheel hop


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: CYANiDE on November 12, 2010, 11:16:24 AM
Aren't you auto? You won't get wheel hop

We definitely do. Trust me, punch any auto (front wheel drive) and you'll get wheel hop. I definitely do.

Get stiffer tranny and engine mounts, that's your resolution.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: CrackerTeg on November 12, 2010, 12:24:42 PM
Jeremy doesn't know about auto wheel hop since he drove his Accord like a grandfather. Remember, his was an autotragic as well.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: timot_one on November 12, 2010, 12:42:00 PM
Yeah, that shouldn't happen regardless of AT or MT.  Are you losing traction when you do this?


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: CrackerTeg on November 12, 2010, 12:55:11 PM
Even though this may be slightly off topic but Jeff, you still haven't blown up your car from the last time you described something being a little off.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: Jeff Likes Bagels on November 12, 2010, 01:44:44 PM
Tim, my tires don't lose traction at all. I don't recall my shitty old Michelins losing traction either when this happens.

And Z, you're right. I'm just waiting until I feel like everything that my car does isn't right. Then I'll make sure to blow it up.

Would stiffening the front end any more help at all? I'm thinking about getting myself a v6 6mt strut tower brace for a birthday/christmas present. I highly doubt the frame has anything to do with this, though.

Tim, do you think it'd be possible to fabricate my own ETD, like the Ingalls, but using an actual dampener? I know you told me awhile ago that the Ingalls isn't a real dampener. I don't know where you could get the parts but, I do have a lot of spare steel that I could use to fabricate mounts with.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: CrackerTeg on November 12, 2010, 01:58:51 PM
IIRC, the 2nd gen CL 6MT has an actual dampener. Its about the right size for what you're looking to do but it'd be a bit of work to fab up mounts and the like. I wish I had time to do these sorts of things.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: Jeff Likes Bagels on November 12, 2010, 02:01:23 PM
My grandfather has a milling machine that I've used numerous times before. I'd just be more worried about getting the right dimensions for the mounts so that they're strong enough to hold and not bend/break in half.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: CrackerTeg on November 12, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
I could help you out with that but since my car is over 7k miles away, it'd be a bit difficult.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: Jeff Likes Bagels on November 12, 2010, 02:19:00 PM
Haha yeah, it's no big deal. I'm just thinking out loud right now. But if I could get my hands on a dampener, it would be fun to try and get it to work.

I think I found the dampener from the CL:

http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/acura/jsp/mws/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=CL&catcgry2=2003&catcgry3=2DR+SPORT&catcgry4=KA6MT&catcgry5=ENGINE+MOUNTS+(MT)&ListAll=All&vinsrch=no&systemcomp=List%20All&vinnoT=&trim=&trans=&view=normal (http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/acura/jsp/mws/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=CL&catcgry2=2003&catcgry3=2DR+SPORT&catcgry4=KA6MT&catcgry5=ENGINE+MOUNTS+(MT)&ListAll=All&vinsrch=no&systemcomp=List%20All&vinnoT=&trim=&trans=&view=normal)

(http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/acura/jsp/mws/catimgs/13s3m01_b4701.png)

Part #17. Not too terrible at $72. I wonder if it could work with the Ingalls mounts. I'll keep thinking about this idea. Maybe I can find the dampener at a junk yard. I would be lucky as hell if I could.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: CrackerTeg on November 12, 2010, 02:21:49 PM
You'd be VERY lucky considering the 6MT CL's aren't exactly a common vehicle.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: cna on November 12, 2010, 05:16:02 PM
i have installed new oem  engine mounts with Ingalls torque damper  and 6mt strut bar i dont get wheel hop my engine barley moves like it used to and the car stays nice and balance when i take turns but am still working on extended lugs for my top hat and front sway bar to complete the front . I think i read in one of the forums Nrg makes the type of damper you looking for have you try researching them?


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: slipkord on November 12, 2010, 05:20:09 PM
Check your lug nuts, srsly, or suspension components


Title: Re: Re: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: Jeff Likes Bagels on November 12, 2010, 05:24:09 PM
Check your lug nuts, srsly, or suspension components
I used a torque wrench and did them all at 80ftlbs last time :P

As far as NRG goes, I've heard of them making a damper for the v6 accords or something. I could probably email them and figure something out.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: timot_one on November 12, 2010, 06:12:17 PM
Have your mounts and suspension checked Jeff.  Maybe even try to get a hold of Skippy since you're in his hood. 

As far as the ETD goes, I know Paul is working on that.  He's just really busy with other stuff right now.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: Jeff Likes Bagels on November 15, 2010, 02:08:07 PM
For about $100 I can purchase the Ingalls brackets separately (which seems like a shitton).

http://www.ingallseng.com/93044-2-replacement-stiffy-engine-bracket.html (http://www.ingallseng.com/93044-2-replacement-stiffy-engine-bracket.html)

http://www.ingallseng.com/93041-3-replacement-stiffy-chassis-bracket.html (http://www.ingallseng.com/93041-3-replacement-stiffy-chassis-bracket.html)

Just a thought that I could take the Ingalls brackets and put the 03 CL 6MT damper on them. But from the looks of the cost for the brackets, I may have to look for a different solution. I also didn't realize how many bends are in the brackets. It may be a little more difficult than I thought to make these brackets...

Oh well. Paul is way more experienced than I am, and I trust any of the work that he does. I'm sure that once he does get this finished, it will be top quality.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: CrackerTeg on November 15, 2010, 02:16:06 PM
$100 is a shit ton considering I didn't pay too much more for mine used from Steve.


Title: Re: Front Shakes When Turning Hard
Post by: timot_one on November 15, 2010, 07:28:46 PM
That's a rip off.  You won't be abel to use the CL damper with them.  Be patient and there will be a solution eventually.


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