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Was driving home tonight fine the whole way... hitting past 3 rpm and getting that nice sound frommy fujita intake, all of a sudden im like 10 minutes from my house and nada. I felt like I wasn't going anywhere! I have no CEL on or anything seems out of place.

:'(

What should I be looking for cuz this has never happened to me before, normally I know when the vtec doesn't kick in the CEL is thrown because of a sensor...

Someone chime in...

am not sure if am right but i been told if you have issues with the break light switch your Rpms wont go over 3k because the mini triangle light comes up which i think has to do with tcs but it wont give out a code to pull just a light have you seen anything like that?

Check your oil level.  If you're experiencing the same problems other guys have had where your oil is disappearing, that's something you may experience.

Thanks guys, will do when I get home...  ;)

No lights on my dash btw...

What would cause my oil level to drop..? Haven't seen any oil spills under my ride. Also had oil changed the end of June.

Thanks,

+1
On checking the oil. That EGR + hitting vtec a lot = oil consumption

Honda VTEC engines, economy or performance, are notorious for burning oil and IIRC, the other thread that was started about burning through three quarts mentioned it being normal for our engines to burn about a quart between oil changes.

Well checked oil levels and they seem fine. Took the ride around the block twice and all is well now. Weird. I will get an oil change soon though just in case.

Thanks for the information dudes always appreciated!

Loving the edits.

Edits... yea I am typing from my phone and yea it gets crazy lolz!

Over your head homie.  :laugh:

I learned if you stay in it, it will engage at like 4800 instead.. Hella vtak y0

Not on our econo VTEC I4's. You heard wrong and whoever told you that should be punched in their balloon knot.

Staying into it when your car is clearly having an issue probably isn't the best advice any way

 :stupid:

Well im stuck off the highway waiting for my pops to come look at my ride that has decided to throw a CEL... I dunno what's wrong now and far from an auto parts place! Fu*k me! According to the manual it's going to Honda. I have this weird whinning sound while I was trying to pull off the road and the car like huff and puffed its way there. While it was in drive the green light kept blinking... any clues for now until I get it to the dealer hopefully today? Damn Honda Day this sunday to ftw!

From what I remember from reading about tranny issues in general this means the your Trasmission computer is throwing a code. It could be anything from and open circuit to a malfunctioning shift solenoid. Bring it to the dealer and have them check it out. Driving it at this point can only make things worse. CEL could also be displayed for a solenoid issue. I had that happen in one of my other cars. Just beware at the dealer they don't like to open transmissions up to fix issues they just like to replace the whole unit ($4000) when if it's just a solenoid the work can generally be done for far far less than the cost of a transmission. I had one replaced in a Camry trans for under $300. Keep in mind non of this is gospel it's just what I recall from reading threads about Tranny issues.

What was the CEL code?

Don't know the cell code as I am still on the side of the road!

So I had to call a tow truck because when I go to move the car is shuts down. So im just waiting, called Honda to let them know of the problem and that I was dropping the car off via tow truck... thank god im covered under warranty still and the extended warranty!

Updates as I get em will be posted!

Take advantage of the warranty bud.

I think you have a solenoid issue but, warranty is good to have. I just had my shit rebuilt for the 4th time under warranty.

Good thing you got that warranty Billy. Hope you get that problem fixed in no time.

Well turns out I DON'T have warranty anymore that is expired 2009. Since myride was originally bought in 2002 the warranty was 7 years or 100,000 miles whatever comes first... im only at 95,000 miles and the 7 years already passed so basically im fucked!
:'(

Car presently @ Honda waiting for the call on the diagnosis and see what my damage is. So far im in the hole for $121 tow truck cost....
:-X

if it gets crazy expensive call Honda of America they tend to do alot of helping under good faith in these type of situations.

Well im calling them now just to see what they can do... hey you never know. Im going toplay stupid and say I thought it expired 10.15.10 instead of 10.15.09... 

Well that sucks, nothing they will do.... 

:'(

Ima have a change of heart on Honda's now... Ive owned quite a few too. Well all I can do is wait for my call on what the cost will be. I will keep you guys posted on what the diagnosis is for future referrence!

Call back after you find out what the cost it. Tell them you bought a Honda because of the reliability and you feel that you've been cheated.

I'm with you there Billy. My TSX has been in the shop almost 3 days...It's under warranty though.

It's all cars in general they don't make them like they used to.

What a shame.

Spoke with my service advisor and he said there is a short between the map sensor and the ecu (engine...) that they trying to pin point it. I asked for the CEL code and he said he didn't have the paper work it was still with the person working on the car.

I just want my car for sunday thats all I ask....

Thats pretty good news I feel

Yea it is good news until call # 2 I recieved tonight. They trying to tell me they cleared 4 codes (of which I dunno of yet) and all the work they put in so far $440... They trying to tell me it will be more once they find the short from the map sensor. I was like you told me if I have you do the work the diagnosis fee $110 is waived... he wanna tell me that since they have to still put in time to find the short the price is going to be more, well you know im not having that. I was like wtf why can't you just replace the harness instead of finding the short and putting a bandaid on it. Now he said he will get me a price on the map sensor harness tomorrow... if they wiave that $110 diagnosis fee I'll be fine. I still wanna see what the outcome price will be when everything is fixed! Every estimate that I have ever gotten for them from my car to my brothers car to my mothers car has always been in the $400range so funny with them @ Honda. If im unsatisfied with the price I will be contacting Honda Motor Corp.


Well this is my latest update!

The only harness im coming across would be the engine harness...  isthis what they talking about..?

Part #1 in this diagram... (http://www.hondapartscheap.com/southbay/jsp/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=ACCORD&catcgry2=2003&catcgry3=4DR+EX&catcgry4=KA5AT&catcgry5=ENGINE+WIRE+HARNESS+(L4)&vinsrch=no)

Or maybe part #1 in this diagram... (http://www.hondapartscheap.com/southbay/jsp/prddisplay.jsp?hidSwitch=&hidIrno=&catcgry1=ACCORD&catcgry2=2003&catcgry3=4DR+EX&catcgry4=KA5AT&catcgry5=WIRE+HARNESS&vinsrch=no&ListAll=&prdrefno=&act=&count=0&quantity=0)

I was going to say that there's no MAP sensor harness.  You would only be replacing the engine harness.  There's nothing wrong with having the short repaired, but that kinda concerns me that there was a "short".  I have a feeling that they are just saying "short" because they are either uneducated, or assume you are.

I was saying the same thing when they said map sensor harness... I just rolled with it and researched when I get home, ima see what they say tomorrow. Now if they say the map sensor harness again I will be better prepaired with the facts to argue.


>:D

Ok so here's the latest I got from them...

Have to replace ECU because their getting no reference to the PCM from the map sensor, egr sensor or the throttle sensor. So the final cost plus taxes is $1297 and I should have my ride on Tues. Wed. the latest! Im warrantied for a year on everything done...

I just don't get how a 7 year old car that has never given me problems all of a sudden has ECU issues. Wtf? Is this normal for 7th gen'z cuz I don't recall anyone on here having this issue.

That's really odd. I'd get a second opinion/ diagnosis.

+1

Id get an ecm  from a junk yard and save some cash. Install is pretty simple

+1

Geez $1297....I'd get a second diagnosis from a shop that's not a Honda and see what they say. Could it be the MAP sensor that's really bad and not the ECU? I know sometimes if that sensor is screwed up, the car would stall.

At this point I dont care they gonna fix it and warranty it. The car starts up but when shifted into gear it stalls so im screwed on getting it out from there unless it's towed again! Now that I know I don't have Honda Care warranty I will never go back to a Honda dealer again. I will eat this one up this time but never again. Im getting a new ECU so I shouldnt haveany problems of this nature again for a long time!

I just want and need my car back asap... A second opinion would be key and getting a used ECU as well but I'd rather go with new.

Anyways thanks for all the input guys, always appreciated!!!

So these are my codes:

P0107
P0122
P0425

Of course their is no explanation of these codes in the CEL codes thread!  :flip:

...and code p1298 -Electrical load detector circuit high voltage (guess these means I fried the ECU...?)  >:D

Either way new ECU will be in tomorrow! Hopefully wednesday I will have my baby back.  :)

P0107 = Manifold Absolute Pressure/Barometric Pressure Circuit Low Input
P0122 = Throttle Position Sensor/Switch A Circuit Low Input
P0425 = Catalyst Temperature Sensor (Bank 1)

Hope everything works out for ya Billy.

well if you got code p1298 it could of been a bad ELD "stands for electronic load detector" maybe that went bad and sent wrong signals to ecu causing a stall and interfering with your other sensors but $1297 is way to much wow

Ironic aint....the code P1298 is close enough to the cost to fix. You could be right though, maybe a sensor is the real culprit but we'll never really know unless the same thing happens again after they put in the new ECU within a year or so.

Well that made me feel better about spending the money! Anyways Steve your right and if it fails again Honda fails and they will have to fix whatever under warranty...

Now the stealership is calling me to tell me that the new ECU is working fine but now I have a whine in my tranny and if I dnt fix get it fixed it will mess up the new ECU they put in... WTF!!!

So im on my way to pick my car up cuz I dnt want them touching it anymore. I will be contacting the dealership I bought the car from originally because I feel they ned to pay or fix something. How 2 big issues gonna occur at the same freaking time is bullshit! im at my point right now... I even left work early so I dnt wait till my day off on thursday to get it.

Stay tuned for more details... might take it to my tranny guy and see what he tells me, he's real good especially with my last ride and his prices are great! Hopefully I can have a happy ending to this ridiculous story...  

So $3300  for tranny and labor, fuck that took my car home! Burnt gears all the way. Thank god im only 5 minutes away to my house!


Contacted the dealer where I bought it from originally, I have to call back tomorrow and speak to the manager and see what they will do!

Dammmm son...things just went from bad to worst man. What kind of whine is it? When dont it make that sound, at idle or when car is moving?

That sucks Billy!

I feel your pain though. I had my rack and pinion and motor mount replaced - I had to bring it in 3 different times FML...GL bro

damm that sucks man

Yea man, contacted my dealer in Long Island and they will fix it for $1500. They said all my engine codes would lead you to the transmission having problems from the get go. So they dnt understand why they would replace the ECU first. They should of replaced the tranny and see if ECU was still good. My dealer feels they took me for a ride that if they replace the cheaper part they would eventually get me for the more expensive part. They also told me to contact Honda America and let them know of the issues im having and the issue of the price difference between both dealers and see if they will get them to do the work for the $1500 so I dnt have to lay out another $300 to have it towed to LI. Its an hour away 40+ miles away... im still hoping for a happy ending for real. I will call Honda America in the morning...

As always thanks for the concerns and advice guys... updates as I get em' of course!

How far is the tow? Do yo have AAA?

Looks like that's what they did Billy....made you pay for a new ECU then tell you oh its not that, it's the tranny. We all thought it was weird though how all those codes lead nothing to make you think it was the ECU but I dunno. I hope you get them to foot the bill on the the tranny cuz if they had told you it was that in the first place you would've paid it and been on ya merry way but instead tried to make you pay for both a new ECU and the transmission. Hope everything works out for ya man.

Well I have a case open with American Honda Corp., they want me to tow my ride out to LI, lay the money out for the tow and they will reinburse me. They are also willing to see what they can do as far as my tranny issue. Since im going to the original dealer and their price is $1500 im kind of hoping they will cover some or even all of the cost. Im still waiting for the Honda Rep. assigned to my case to call me within 48 hours of the call I made this morning... so far things are looking up!

I will say this, if your in NY, DO NOT ever go to Plaza Honda Mall in Brooklyn NY, located on Nostrand Ave. between Ave. M & Ave. N. They are a complete rip off and will do you dirty! All I gotta say to them is...  :flip:

I'd make sure to report them to the Attorney General's office and Better Business Bureau.

Once this all gets worked out and my ride is up and working again you bet your ass off I will be contacting the better business bureau...

Okay so basically I have to take it up with Plaza Auto Mall on my disatisfaction on their diagnosis with my ride and the amount paid! American Honda will NOT pay for my tow and will only pay 25% of the total coast to get my tranny fixed at Huntington Honda of Long Island. I prefer them cuz thats where I bought the car from and they are fixing it for $1500-$1800.

So since I have full coverage on my insurance I was thinking of contacting them and tell them my car broke down and need it towed to my dealer and see if they will cover the tow, reinburse me I guess! They coverd my front windshield replacement so why not ask right... Car wiull be @ shop on Tuesday my next available day off. Hopefully everything will be fixed and I will be up and running the following week!

I'd go back into the first dealership and take a shit on the floor in the lobby.  Then take a piss in all the cars in the showroom.

 :lamp: Your an ass Tim but I love it lolzzz.... nah but they are gonna get whats coming to them!

...btw your sig is awesome dude!

Yes.  I know this to be true.


Thanksfpr the compliment.

So total cost to me is $2215 after American Honda took 35% of the original cost of $3400 and the District Manager of Long Island gave me alittle discount as well.... I will have my ride back on Thursday just in time for the team meet!!!! Issue was the tranny from the get go! Im warrantied for 3 years on it thank god, hopefully I won't run into anymore problems....

I'd abuse the fuck out of that warranty.

Me to.... Oh wait

Haha... you best to believe im going back 1, 2 and almost 3 years later to have a check up lmaoOoooo