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Well Tim asked for it and here it is... Post all your cell phone questions/reviews and things of that nature in here. Lets keep it calm though I know we have some fan boys (myself included) Instead of arguing I would like to see everyone remain open minded, and use any opinions and information to benefit them.

List those 4 phones again Mike. 

I listed 3 but, I'll give you 4 since the droid X comes out next month.

1. Nexus One
2. HTC EVO 4
3. Droid X
4. HTC Incredible

On par with the I phone's I'd put

1. My touch slide
2. Droid
3. G1


Alot of people also like the Palm stuff. I don't like the OS but, alot of people love it.

Which ones are not touch screen only phones?

droid, my touch slide, g1. not sure about the droid x

I still have a hard time believing those phones are better. Something that I have always thought is that it is good to have few good things. I think android has spread itself out too much. I'm assuming all those use the android os so that's at least 7. Apple designed the os for the phone.Why would you have both touch screen and button? I think the sales speak for themselves. Apple sold 600,000 iPhone 4's in 9 hours. They sold 1.7 million from 06/24-06/28. If it wasn't the best phone, it wouldn't be the number one selling phone.

I was one of those people that bought an iPhone 4, and I do agree that it is an amazing device, it's fast, the screen is beautiful... etc etc. But just because people buy more of them without even thinking for a second does not necessarily  make it a better device. Android phones offer more features such as turning a phone into a wifi hotspot that may give them the edge. The iPhone 4 signal issues that have been popping up don't bother me, but would lead to others to state that it is a major issue. The Android phones also come with flash which gives you access to the actual internet, not just part of it like the iPhone. I know there are mobile webpages designed for it, but I personally like viewing a full website.

The reason that I got an iPhone over and Android phone is simple. I like having all my music in iTunes and want an iPod and a phone in one. Android phones have great media players, but they will never surpass (in my opinion) the ease of use that the iPhone has given when it comes to its media integration.

I haven't looked into Palm too much to make any sort of valid statement on their phones.

Well the selling numbers are about the hype, and the fact that it has been out so long. Apple over hypes everything. As far as your OS argument it fails because if you do your homework you will realize that android is optimized for each device not, to mention the fact that its open source so you could access the code and change it if you want. If you want to be tied down and restricted to what you can do thats fine. The only thing the Iphone has over android is that it can be used as an ipod. Other than that I really can't see anything.

Which phone gives the best head?

When you find the phone with that feature it will be at the top of my list no matter who makes it.

Well with the iphone you can give head over video chat?

The phone's main purpose is to revolutionize phone sex.

You mean you can watch a video of someone pretending to give you head.

Glad they took the time to include video chat!!! To bad you can't keep the signal stong enough to fucking use it. Yet another piece of over engineering while ignoring something simple.

Yeah, well it seems that a lot of phones have that problem.  I think a big thing is the carrier that you have though.  The iPhone will only be as good as AT&T's service in that area is.  I drop calls like crazy on my BB Tour.  I guess Verizon just sucks balls in central MA.  I also have the same over engineering problem with my Tour.  A lot of the features on it are great, but the browser is slow as frozen dog shit and a simple thing like my phone not playing the ring tones I have it set to.  My biggest issue is that Verizon does not deliver consistent customer service.  Depending on who you talk to, they may tell you to update your software or a different person may tell you that you need to replace your phone.  I had one guy say he couldn't do anything for me except sell me a new phone at full price.  I almost jumped over the counter to beat the living shit out of him for saying that.  

I know your not a fan of T-Mobile but, I'd have to say that there customer service has always been incredible to me. All issues I’ve had have been resolved very quickly and professionally. I also don’t have any issues with dropping calls. There are a few areas where it’s a little weak but, I suppose you get that with any carrier.

Video chat, or FaceTime, only works over WiFi anyway.

If I were to use FaceTime, I'd probably call someone while having the camera pointed at my nuts..  just for kicks..

Well, the iPhone can be made into a wifi hotspot as well as just straight up tethered to your computer. The issue I see with the 4 is the fact that the banding on the sides are the antennas of wifi as well as cell. I haven't messed with the 4 but have no issues with the 3g or 3gs. Te sales may be due to the hype but the simplicity of them is what keeps customers that already have previous generations of it. Personally, I don't play into the hype and waited at least halfway into the life of each generation before I made a purchase. I also do the same with the OS updates. Maybe it's due to the fact that I enjoy having a jailbroken iPhone where it becomes open source and I can mess with it.

i agree with mike, t-mobile is great. never had any problems with service, when i had my iphone 2g they even told me how to get the pic messages available to receive.  also when i had my 2g i actually had better service then the stupid moto rokr t-mobile provided me.

That's quite true.  I hate T-Mobile because anyone I talk to that has a T-Mobile phone is impossible to understand, regardless of what phone they have or what phone I have.  Realistically, I'm not about to make any switch any time soon.  If I move to a different area of the country, I want to see what network is strong in the area I'm moving to first.

So why not buy a phone that is already open source?

That would be like saying to me or anyone else on this forum for that matter, "Why not buy a car with greater aftermarket support?"

That’s not it at all. In fact its more like saying buy a car from a manufacture that doesn't void your warranty when you modify it to your liking.

This was motherfucking brilliant!!

http://www.break.com/index/iphone-4-vs-htc-evo.html

I'll have to check that out when I get home. The only thing to consider is that the EVO is not the mecca of Droid phones, and Sprints network might be the only one shitter than AT&T

Watch it, it's teh funnay. 

Tim that video is a conversation I have every fucking day! It explains this whole thing to a T.

holy shit tim that was awesome! im gonna go to wal-greens right now! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

what do you guys think of t mobile mytouch 3g slide am due for a upgrade since my blackberry is always messing up on me

It's a solid phone. It's not running the latest android OS at this time(Only on Nexus One, HTC Incredible) but, I'd expect them to provide a software update to it (FROYO 2.2). I wouldn't hesitate to pick that up. It reminds me a lot of the G1, and that thing is a work horse of a phone. Mines been beaten to shit and I still have 0 issues.

Android 2.2 looks pretty nice with the Flash 10.1 support.

Minimal bugs so far to unlike the competition.

Flash makes the battery on the androids go bye bye. The EVO's (on sprint) battery life is terriblllee...

well you can always root the android phones and run custom roms some are bare bones builds and they help extend your battery life 

Battery life isn't great I'll give you that. But, if you have a car charger your pretty much all set.

What competition has bugs? Other than a few manufacturing defects, yellowed screen and upside down volume buttons, there are no bugs with the iPhone 4. All of that has been taken care of too.  About the battery. Couldn't you just have two batteries and swap when the other one dies?

You just named 3.

You forgot to include the reception issues. To which Apples response is hold your phone a different way! Are you fucking kidding me a $400 phone and I have to hold it a certin way to talk on it! Is this fucking 1996?

Don't forget the fact that the new iOS 4 for iPhones is also fucking up previous iPhones too.  I guess there's bluetooth connectivity issues and nag screens coming up with external audio devices on the iPhone 3Gs running the new OS.  What a fucking mess. 

The guy that sits next to me at work got an iPhone 4 and loves it anyway.  He has the case on his, so he doesn't have the reception issue. 

 :lamp: "Phones losing signal? Let's just tell eveyone to buy one of our $39 silicone cases" What is worng with people!

People will buy anything that apple makes i swear there the  >:D

And most of the fan boys are  8-)

That is a rumor. There is no reception problem with the iPhone 4. Apple sent out a statement (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html) regarding it and they did admit to a problem that every iPhone has had since the original one. The formula used to calculate how many bars to display is wrong. It displays more than what is actually there, but this doesn't affect signal quality. In every network test they have done the iPhone 4 has performed better than the 3GS. I haven't had a single problem with my phone. Apple has already addressed the yellowed screen and button being swapped. I don't call those bugs. I will admit that the iOS4 beta was very buggy. I have the iOS4 on my 3G and 4 and haven't had a single problem. The battery has never gone below 50% and I use it all day. One of my coworkers got an Android powered phone, the HTC Aria. We swapped for a day and I hated it. It was over complicated, felt cheap, and had useless things like a digital joy stick. Why would you have a joystick on a touchscreen? I was open minded, hence I tried it and hated it. My phone is glass and stainless steel, this one was plastic. Mine may weigh a little more but it is 9mm thick! This phone was like a brick. I hated the operating system. It reminded me of a motorola razr. I don't have the bumper case on mine and haven't dropped a single call. I use my phone constantly. I use about 3GB of data, 15,000 text messages, and hundreds on minutes a month. I think if there was a problem, I would see it. I have dropped my iPhone 4 numerous times on concrete, hardwood floors, and tile and there is a scratch on it. Like I said earlier, there is a reason it is the number one selling phone in the word. I have tried three different Android powered phones and dislike everyone of them. I don't care if you don't have or want an iPhone, but to say it isn't superior is a stupid statement in my opinion. Oh, and I'm a fan boy ;) incase you haven't noticed haha

That’s funny because 1000's of people say the I phone 4 scratches easily, and Apple has acknowledged the signal dropping problem according to multiple sources. Also here is a link to a signal attenuation comparison that shows holding it different ways actually effects the attenuation of the signal not just the display of it.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/06/30/how-bad-is-the-iphone-4s-signal-loss/ (http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/06/30/how-bad-is-the-iphone-4s-signal-loss/)

As for swapping phones with you buddy you compared your I phone to a free Android device. That's like comparing caviar to McDonalds. Compare the latest I phone to a phone running the latest android software. Your making an unfair comparison.

Did you not read the hyperlink? That is Apple's Official statement. I only know one person who has a Android powered phone and that is my coworker. She even said she wishes she could get an iPhone 4 but can't afford to get it because she wasn't due for an upgrade. Someone else I knew had an iPhone 3G and got an HTC Hero when it first came out. He hated it and terminated his contract after a month only to get another iPhone.

NEXUS ONE!!!!! HTC EVO 4G (4G is apple using that?) DROID X. Stop comparing the newest I phone to lower leval android phones. That’s like me saying that the HTC Aria is better than a Motorola Razr! I don't care what apples statement else look at the link to the test performed by engineers. When are you fan boys going to stop buying there bull shit? Granted I'm on the Google wagon now but, at a time in my life I was an I phone user I think they are way over rated. At the end of the day its to each is own but, you have to admit that for being a new comer Google is really making noise. Prior to last year there wasn't even an competition now it’s hot an heavy. Like I’ve said before the competition can only benefit the consumers in the long run it’s just companies pushing each other to get better. If Apple doesn’t start branching out to other carriers they are in trouble. I really think AT&T is going to be the down fall.

She paid $199.99 for her HTC Aria last week. I paid $199.99 for my iPhone 4 last week. If that isn't a fair competition, I don't know what is. Part of it may be that AT&T is the best carrier in my area. No, Apple isn't using 4G. Why have 4G when there is no network support for it. Just to say you have it? Like you said it's to each his own. I'll stick with my Apple products until I see a problem. That's what I did with PC's and I couldn't be happier with my MacBook. When I start having problems with my iPhone or see a problem with any of my friends iPhone's, I'll report it.

She got taken on that phone. I can get it for $0

I'm getting my Droid X next Thursday, so I'll let you guys know how I think about it. I'll pretty much be comparing it to my iPod Touch 2g jailbroken, since that's the only other smart device that I have. I'm running 3.1.2 on my iPod Touch because iOS4 can't be jailbroken yet, I don't think.

Well i seen a ipad runing flash so am sure a jailbreak should be around soon

Yeah, my friend's iPad is jailbroken. I'm pretty sure there is a jailbreak, it just hasn't been released.

the main reason i had/ will be getting my newish iphone is because the ease of use with the video watching, and music. im sure others might be better. but i use itunes for my songs and video and i know know 3 other people that have an iphone for this reason as well.

So Are you iPhone fans serious with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9ZnwvyAk8k

That's pretty fucking funny because it's so true.  I'd like to try and keep the discussion here related to cell phones though.  Let's keep the bashing and hate down.  If you have an opinion about something you don't like, try and express that in a mature and respectful manner.

i dont think i could talk to someone about mac products. lets alone pc. id probably just continue drink.. fast

I checked out a buddies HTC EVO 4G on sprint today, and it was pretty bad ass. The network was okay at best but the phone flew on wifi.

well today am a keep messing with  a blackberry 9630 from Verizon i caught for cheap to try and make it work with tmobile since i got 1 more yr left with them

Verizon phone cannot work with T-MO unless it has a sim slot, and even so it would have to be completely reprogrammed to look for a sim.

Looks like Google is going to mess around with trying something else... Google TV.

http://www.google.com/tv/

Hmmm, I wonder where they got that idea (http://www.apple.com/appletv/) from.

I know what your leaning toward  but, Apple TV was by no means the first attempt at something like this. I must say that it failed also.

well i see it as since the "internet" plays such a big roll in people life they are going to make everything more accessible from phones to tv's nothing will be out of reach with google

I would agree to a certain extent. If you jail break it you can do anything you want with it. You can even put Snow Leopard on it.

It seems to be the natural progression of things.  Physical media is becoming less and less, and streaming and downloadable media is becoming the norm.  This has nothing to do with cell phones though.  Maybe it belongs in a different thread.  Try to stay on topic fuck sticks.

black ra1n has had one for a while.

I got the Zagg invisible shield for my iPhone and it is awesome. Here is a video: Click Me! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDQzCPx_g0c&feature=player_embedded)

I've used Zagg invisable sheilds on a few different phones they make a great product.

Bill this is for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

Potentially NWS, there's some swearing in it. No offense to you Bill near the end. It's pretty funny though.

Haha Mike posted that. I think it's funny.

I think Tim posted it but, I'll post this in response to your no signal problem quotes!

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/electronics/2010/07/apple-iphone-4-antenna-issue-iphone4-problems-dropped-calls-lab-test-confirmed-problem-issues-signal-strength-att-network-gsm.html
 (http://blogs.consumerreports.org/electronics/2010/07/apple-iphone-4-antenna-issue-iphone4-problems-dropped-calls-lab-test-confirmed-problem-issues-signal-strength-att-network-gsm.html)

I'm pretty sure consumer reports passes along reliable info.

Ah shit, that was the video that Tim posted that I couldn't see for some reason.

I can't wait until this Thursday! The Droid X looks pretty awesome!

i dunno man. i'm sure iphone 4 has its cell reception problems. but every one has them all i know is that my best friend has never lost reception on his iph4, and two girls at work say they havent had problems. its probably "where you live" that matters. fact is smart phones today do more then what communicators did in star trek ... minus the teleport thing

It depends on where you hold the phone. It's a design flaw it has nothing to do with where you live!

Well, I must admit. I was wrong. My friends does it, but doesn't with the bumper. Mine doesn't do it at all regardless of how you hold the phone. I was reading that a recall would cost Apple 1.5 billion dollars.

When I tested the iPhone4 with my brother, we had a hard time getting it to drop the signal no  matter which way we held the thing. Either way, I planned on getting a case for it when I finally pull the trigger next year. On a side note, they have factory unlocked phones over here in case anyone's interested.

It will probably be fixed in a year. Once consumer reports drops down on something there really isn't a choice but, to do something about it. I don't know what that something will be maybe send everyone a free case. Z you have PM!

Hmmm.  I wonder if I could get an unlocked iPhone to work with Verizon?  Probably not.

Mike, PM replied. Tim, since the iPhone works with GSM networks and Verizon is CDMA, it probably won't work. Though, I've heard of people cracking them to work with Verizon but I can't confirm that.

I actually don't think it's possible with out Hardware modifications GSM and CDMA use different frequencies and different modulation schemes. In order for a GSM device to work on a CDMA network it would have to be modified to look for those frequencies, and then be able to arrange them in a useful manner. Prior to worrying about this part a solution would have to be found to use RUIM in place of SIM (card) for supplying network credentials. I’m sure it’s possible but, the cost would likely be astonishing.

Where the fuck is the "I'm with stupid" smiley when you need it?

 :stupid:

Enjoy!  :flip:

Woohoo!

So, i got the droid X. I love the keyboard compared to my ipod touch. The extra half inch of screen really helps. I'll post back later when i finish evaluating this phone. So far i love it!

I was in verizon today getting BB #7 activated and having them do all the bitch work.  I saw the Droid X, and then found out it was made by Motorola.  There's no way in hell I would ever get that phone.

Does it feel too big though? I was looking at some other phones and the HTC Incredible has a 4.3" screen, I think it was that phone. I do not think I would like a phone that was that big.

The HTC Incredible had a 3.7" screen i believe. the Droid X has a 4.3" screen. To be honest, I don't mind it at all. I actually like it a lot. It's a heck of a lot roomier than my iPod Touch is.

Ah, I guess I got those two confused. Which one has the kick stand? How thick is it? I have noticed that my phone is kinda heavy, it is only 9mm thick too. I guess it is because of the materials.

The phone isn't that much thicker than the iPhone 4.

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/droid-vs-iphone-001-top.jpg)

I think Sprint's EVO phone or whatever it is is the one with the kickstand.

I'm going to check out the Droid X tomorrow. Rumor has it the Nexus One will be available in stores soon. I've been exchanging emails with google about getting another one and they finally shared that information with me. It should make it a lot easier to get.

That's the one I was talking about, the Evo. I watched a comparison video on youtube. Me and my friend installed Anroid on an iPhone 2g. I may start putting out android apps too. The software I use now supports android and I have the sdk so we will see. I'd kinda like to have a Android phone though, instead of it on an iPhone.

The web browsing is a shitton better than on my iPod Touch 2G. Obviously because the X has like 300mb of ram to use whereas the iPod has like 20mb, lol. I'm thinking about writing a full blown review, but i'm too lazy. :P

Yes, I am quoting myself. I have a discount code good for 3 uses on Zagg's website. If anyone is interested let my know.

I've liked my Motorola Droid thus far.. Motorola has come a long way since their days after the razr and before the Droid..

I mean, you're on blackberry #7.. unfortunately, you haven't had much luck with RIM products.  maybe you'll have better luck with Motorola products this time around..

I've never owned one Motorola product that wasn't a cheap piece of garbage.  My cable box is a Motorola and it sucks balls.  As far as BlackBerry, I'm not defending them either.  I'd really just like a phone that wasn't a total piece of shit.  The trackball on this BlackBerry seem really "loose".  I don't have much hope for this phone either.  I already have a person in tech support's direct number and email.  If I have something wrong with this phone, he wants me to contact him directly.  That means that anyone that has my number, please text me during the day.  I keep having problems with my alert tones.  I set them to a specific tone and volume, and then my BB plays something completely different. 

Tim I strongly recommended the HTC Incredible to you. It will take sometime to get used to the interface but, I think you will like it a lot. Whcih BB are you currently using?

I have a BB Tour.  If the Incredible is touch screen only, I'm going to be resistant.  Looking at the Droid X, I want to make sure any other phone I get is also going to have a mobile hot spot capability. 

It doesn't have a keyboard but, if you would use an I Phone why the need for a Key Board? Bad expirence with something else? My boss has the Droid and has no complaints but, the incredible is running a better version of the software. I'm not sure what the Droid X is running maybe its the best of both worlds.

I've had a LG Voyager and a BB Storm.  The touch screen on both of those are fucking junk.  I also have a 1st Gen iPod Touch and the touch screen on that is a million times better than anything I've ever used on a phone.  That is my only justification for getting an iPhone.  At this point, I'm willing to face the facts that I'm not getting an iPhone, so we don't need to waste our time with that argument.  I am very hesitant to get any Motorola product based on the fact that over the past 20 years, I've never had one thing that didn't break prematurely.  I have had a LOT of Motorola stuff too, and some of it was fairly recent.  That is why I refuse to waste any more money on their crap. 

Realistically, I'm looking for something with a physical keyboard and has the capability to be a mobile hot spot.  My BB is still fucking up.  It's not playing alert tones when I get messages.  It's playing the right ones when it works, but at this point I expect it to work flawlessly with no hiccups. 

Every review I've read says the iPhone has a better touch screen. That's one of the few things they claim the iPhone is better at.

They will say anything to get you to buy it i seen so many touch screen phones that can be iphone killers from screen to cameras and full keyboards. but some how i dont like there User interface much compare to some Nokia's and android base phones

Mike, in your opinion, what is the best android powered phone and what carrier? I'd like to go check it out.

Tim, I can't comment on the BB, but I agree with you wholeheartedly about the LG Voyager. The thing is, though, you can't compare it to the iPod/iPhone. The LG Voyager is basically just a regular phone with subpar touchscreen capabilities. It's far from a smartphone. I went from an LG Voyager to my Droid X. I fucking hated the Voyager.

Also, I found this on the web somewhere:

(http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/articleimage/684/2010/06/iphone4_droidx_incredible_evo4g_nexusone.jpg)

I am going to make an attempt at writing a review on this Droid X this weekend. I really love this phone, even though there are a few quirks that I have noticed.

They all seem to be just a like.

Yeah.  Those are all touch screen.  If I get a new phone it's going to need buttons and it's going to need to have a mifi hotspot capabilities.

Nexus one is missing from your list, and is running a more stream lined version of Android (2.2 I believe). Of course if you brave you could update any Android phone to run the latest version of Android it’s just not “suggested” and if you fuck it up its on you. I’d suggest waiting longer than the weekend it will take a while to get into all the features and things available with that phone.



Being open source mifi can be likely achieved by finding the right piece of code. I’m sure it’s out there on the web.

Bill I would suggest you wait until the Nexus One hits T Mobile/ AT&T stores. I have an email directly from Google saying that it's going to happen as soon as they can make enough to meet the demand.





Try the Droid. Does Verizon give you a grace period in which you can return the phone like T-Mobile does? I believe with T-Mobile it is 30 days. It's going to take some getting used to but, I think you will like it.

Verizon has a 30 day return period.  At this point, I refuse to pay anything for another phone and I also refuse to sign anything extending my contract.  Once it's over, I'm probably going to jump ship.

Can't say I blame you, and I'm starting to not believe the Iphone to Verizon stuff. I would think that if it were going to happen it would have happened at the release of the I Phone 4.

I think Verizon was blowing a bunch of smoke up everyone's ass to keep the customers that actually give a shit about having a phone (that they paid too much money for) that works properly.  It was a fucking huge lie.  They lied to their employees hoping they would leak the information to customers and start rumors.  Verizon are a bunch of dirt bag piles of shit.

I can tell you Apple is stupid for not doing it unless they are getting an absurd amount of money from AT&T for exclusivity

I think that Verizon is stupid for not jumping at the chance to get the iPhone.  They fuck up so many good phones with their bullshit. 

Would you like to explain this (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38263228/ns/technology_and_science-wireless?GT1=43001)


I mean considering it was just a rumor and all  :D.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2021019718_b4559e9879.jpg)

motorola is garbage. when i renewed my t-mobile account i wanted a free phone, i got the moto rokr e8..... fuck that piece of shit. once my iphone broke i now have to use the rokr. the back continues to fall off every fuccking time. glitchy as hell and every once in a while i'll get a text message with no icon no alert and it'll say its already been looked at.

i do agree that the  nexus one is a kick ass phone but if its not in stores by aug 26 then i have to get my jailbroken iphone.

From what I've heard Verizon (Any Carrier for the matter) Is only allowed to put logos into the Andriod phones. No V cast non of that bull shit. Totally open to do what ever you want!

chill... I already admitted I was wrong. I still standby my statement that my iPhone doesn't have a problem

so 3 million phones sold.   .55% have complained so 16500, people.  they also guess 8 to 12 million iph4 to be sold by sep 30. .55%  44,000. thats intense. and he says thats not a problem. not to mention the douche isnt fixing the problem either. what a piece of shit.  if i had a iph4 i'd return it and gather people to project mayham the shit outta apple.

I'm chill just messing with you Bill you know that.. If I were you I would still get down on a free case. Why not?

This silicone case deal is going to cost them a fortune. Not that they are paying $29 each but, its still lost profit.

Oh, I am going to. I haven't decided if I want to use it or not though. It kinda ruins the appearance of the phone. If my phone were messing up I wouldn't accept anything other than a new fixed phone. That kinda pisses me off.

hope apple doesnt have to file for bankruptcy

If they were to recall the iPhone 4 right now, it would cost 1.5 billion. That is only 3.5% of their cash on hand. I dont think they have anything to worry about. That silicon case probably cost 5-10 to make. So, in comparison to what I think they should do, they are getting out cheap. An iPhone 4 16gb cost $186 to make.

Thats why i would of waited for the second bach of them to come out after all the glitches and hiccups get fix i would be one of the few people out there who doesnt like cases on there phone unless is my belt clip or screen protector . because even with the case the problem will still exist

Hmm... Should we take a look at the stock market monday... AAPL vs. GOOG?

Sure. Google was down $34 Apple was down $1.55.

Okay and Goog is $459.61, and AAPL is 249.90

What's Google's market cap and what's Apple's market cap? That's a better indication in my opinion because that means Apple has sold way more shares.

Yeah but, I own some google :) I got it along time ago at a great price should have sold when it was 600 something.

http://www.google.com/finance?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=zoh&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=apple%20stock&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=we
not sure why vanguard is on there but click 1month for begin since iph4 has been out. and apples down 8% no bueno.

Either way back on topic. Going to check out the My touch slide, and Droid X today

Not sure why, but I thought I'd post some screenies of my Droid X homescreen.

(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2933/screen1m.jpg)(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8425/screen2n.jpg)(http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7403/screen3i.jpg)

looks tight whats the car dock?

+1.  I want to know what the car dock is too.  I'll be honest, the fact that the Droid X can be a mifi hot spot is a very attractive option.  I'm having a hard time getting past the fact that it's a Motorola.

Any of the current, good smart phones(iphone, droid, not Crackberry because they suck, etc.) can be a MiFi hotspot. If it doesn't come activated from the factory, there's software out there that activates the option.

My iPhone 3G was a hot spot. I used mywi. It was both bluetooth and wifi.

There's a car dock accessory that you could purchase.  Essentially, when you put your phone into the car dock, the phone is automatically placed in a car dock mode.  It gives you quick access to the navigation feature of the phone.

This is what the screen looks like when its in car dock mode. (http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/lifehacker/2010/01/android21-carhome.png)

Here is what the car dock looks like, at least for the Droid.
(http://www.bestpdacases.com/images/motorola-droid-car-mount-1.jpg)

My CarDock app doesn't look as fancy as that one, but it does pretty much the same thing. It came pre-installed on the phone.  It's just a bunch of big buttons to make it easier when driving.

(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9618/cardock.jpg)

And when you press on Calling, it goes to this:

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5738/cardock2.jpg)

I haven't set up the favorite contacts yet because I don't really use this app much. I still need to get a dock for my phone... I've been rocking the cupholder for awhile now, lol.

Well, that sucks about the crackberry.  I am going to end up replacing this phone anyway.  It's just a matter of time since it's still fucking up.  Verizon really dropped the ball with sending out remanufactured phones as warranty replacements.  I'm just thinking that if I get a new phone, I want to be able to use it as a wireless hotspot. 

I don't know if you already know or not Tim, but for my Droid X, it was another $20 a month to be able to use the Mobile Hotspot feature. I said fuck that, lol. Besides, UCF will have enough Wifi everywhere to where I won't need to tether off my phone.

Fucking Verizon!

Yeah AT&T is gay about it too. I was able to be grandfathered in on the unlimited plan because AT&T eradicated it. To get AT&T's tethering you have to downgrade to the 2GB per month plan for $25 a month then add tethering which is $20 a month. Or when the jailbreak comes out, just download the app and you are good to go.

It seems that whatever carrier you have, they really try to stick it to you financially.  I'd like to have that capability, but it's really not necessary.  I'd really only use it for when I was on a road trip and needed to use my laptop.  At that point, I could just go to Starbucks or McDonalds if I needed internet access and didn't want to use the browser on my phone.  It's just a convenient feature I'd like to have. 

There's already a stable jailbreak out for iOS4. Just an FYI.

Android is open source. I'd have to look but, I bet there is a free way to make it happen.

It doesn't work on the iPhone 4 yet though. I don't think so at least.

Yeah I read something about and IS04 unlock its just not officially released because there is a thought that apple is going to release a substantial software update to attempt to correct some of the issues the I Junk 4 is having.

Well, I just spent about the past hour on an Evo 4g. It's alright. I think it's way too big though and I still don't like the android operating system. It did seem a bit faster than my phone. Overall it wasn't too bad, I'm still wouldn't get one. My friend is moving to Atlanta, GA where they have or will have 4g coverage so he traded in his 3Gs. He said most of the apps suck. That's his major complaint.

So, i've been messing with my droid x some more, and it can already be rooted now. I rooted my phone, so now i can remove all the bloatware on the phone, an i can also get free wifi tethering. I'm going to be careful about using it though. From what i've read, Verizon is pissed about the free wifi tethering, but as long as you keep the data usage to a minimum, you should be fine.

I also tried out Pandora, but i didn't really like the quality of the songs. They sound like 144kbps. It's probably an incentive to get you to buy their paid subscription.

Another thing I did was get a home replacement app called Launcher Pro. You can already see it from the pics i posted earlier in this thread. You can adjust from having 1 to 7 home screens, and you can have three different docks that you can scroll through.

This phone rocks!

Glad to have another android lover on the bandwagon! It's really incredible how far they have come with these phones in a short time!

Just order my mytouch 3g slide cant wait to get it

I might get one of these also. Or wait for the Nexus 2 I'm not sure what I want to do.

the trackball of death got to me i can barley use it any more on my blackberry so i took my upgrade

Oh yeah I forgot to mention... so far the record time for a single charge on my Droid X has been 1 day 16 hours with moderate use. Not too shabby.

I've had better on my iPhone 3G. Going to get the 3GS when I get home this Christmas for R&R. Don't really care to get the i4. Besides, I already have a dash mount and case for the 3G/3GS so why change all the shit out? BTW Mike, get off of Google's cock. Fanboy.  :laugh:

At least I don't follow the flock! I had a Google (Android) phone before 85% of you fucks knew what it was! I've been in since day one, and have been nothing but, satisfied. It's a company I have a good sum of money invested in they have a very strong business model which has been very profitable to my investments. When there is a software issue with there devices they actually fix them. They release phones that the buttons actually work correctly on out of the box oh and I can hold my phone how ever I want and it actually works! Just follow that flock straight off the cliff!

Well Z, to put things into perspective, the Droid X has a huge display, faster processor, and quadruple the amount of RAM than your 3G. But it's like comparing apples to oranges. I was never expecting the phone to be a battery saving monster to begin with.

The 3GS is a nice phone. Plus the multi-tasking will be cool when you put iOS4 on it. Or alternatively, you can keep the software at 3.1.3, and install the jailbroken version of multi-tasking. It involves Backgrounder and some other apps that make multi-tasking fully integrated.

I've always hoped that there would be a day when you can get extended batteries that are in the stock form factor. I'm sure eventually there will be an extended battery for the Droid X, but the huge hump on the back of the phone is a big turn-off.

Also, for your Android guys, I highly recommend LauncherPro as a home replacement app. It's awesome! http://www.launcherpro.com/ I am debating on buying the Plus version while it's still cheap.

Ummm.  Okay.

I used to get about 2.5-3 days out of my phone before I had to charge it.  Then something "happened" and it only lasts about a day now.  Kinda shitty.  I'm not a fan of BB at all now.

If you ran a hybrid os on you bb you can easily push out 3.5 to 4 days on single charge and have a faster os boot up when you do a battery pull my only complain is the trackball on them since i dont have the latest model

I solve this issue by having a charger everywhere lol. Mine uses mini usb so it's pretty east to accomplish.

Yeah, it's nice having a standardized plug. My Droid X uses micro usb though, so it's not as common. Plus, apparently the USB cable it comes with is a "high power" cable, and that any other cable would take longer to charge. Whatever, lol.

Tim, you should rig up a DIY charging cable for your BB that hooks up straight to your car battery. I'm sure that'll fix it!  >:D

I have a charger at home, a charger at my desk at work, and a charger in my car.  The point is that it used to hold a charge for 3 days and then something "magically" changed and everything went to shit. 

Jeff, good suggestion on LauncherPro.. It's pretty awesome!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/07/27/why.jailbreak.iphone/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
never knew it was illegal to unlock it.

Not any more.  It's kinda funny how they give you all these bullshit reasons why you shouldn't do it.  Really what it comes down to is money they don't want anyone else to get.

once steve jobs dies apple people will soon realize people want stuff they dont offer and they'll submit.. just couldnt imagine some 19 year old  nerd sitting in jail for jailbreaking.... :D

I just ordered the Samsung Vibrant. From what I'm told it has the fastest processor on the market (dual core cell phone). I got it for a steal from T-Mobiles customer loyalty department. I got that and the new Shitberry for the wife for $150.

Check out the review... I'm pretty excited.

http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-vibrant-t-mobile/4505-6452_7-34129373.html#reviewPage1 (http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-vibrant-t-mobile/4505-6452_7-34129373.html#reviewPage1)

for the first time today had a shitty experience with t mobile. since august i renewed my plan to their customer "loyalty plan" unlimited min and text with one additional phone line for like 113 amonth with tax. so i added my gf on and she is a govenment employee and t-mobile offers a 15% discount to them and we added it in may and they said it will take 1-2 month to be added. so i get this months bill and my bill is 106. call and ask why it wasnt added they said it was... to our unlim text.  so i figured i'd talk to my girl about this and it turns out she also had to sign "renew" our two year agreement. id rather pay the 6 buck and have it be a year over then this bull shit. they said they could give me the 15%  because of my loyalty plan

Call 611 and ask for the customer loyalty department, and tell them your issue in detail they will hook you up. Don't talk to a regular agent its a waste of time! Get the loyalty department on the line and they will do what they can!

just did.  everythings good. still have the 106 amonth but with the original contract.

They handle business but, you have to ask for customer loyalty department they will never offer or suggest it. They are authorized to give some sick deals. I think T-Mo has the best customer service by a mile!

I wish Verizon adopted that philosophy.  I can never get consistent service from them.  I can go in to the store and talk to the same exact person and get different service from one day to another.  Those guys are a joke.

Service in store or from a regular T-Mobile agent is decent but, if you have been a customer for a year or two you can talk to the loyalty department, and they do a lot to keep you. I've found that if you call them and are polite and explain what your think they give you the best deal they can.

Yeah, I've been a Verizon customer for 10 years.  Regardless of whether I go into a store or call customer service, it's spotty.  I've never gotten consistent service from anyone in Verizon.

That sucks man!

I personally hate how Verizon nickle and dimes you for every goddamn thing. I thought the mobile hotspotting was awesome for the Droid X until I come to find out that it's an extra $20 a month just to use it. I've already deleted the Mobile Hotspot app off my phone, and am now using a free Android version. I've also read some comments where people get extra charges on their bill for "overusing" their unlimited data plan. What the fuck. It's unlimited, let me use it however much I want!

There are four people in my family on our family plan. We get a shared 1400 minutes, my sister and mom have a $10 a month data plan, while I have a $30 unlimited data plan. My stepdad has a regular phone. We also have unlimited texting. There's also the insurance plans in there somewhere. Guess how much the fucking bill is each month? 250 goddamn dollars. I don't know if it's just me, but that seems extremely fucking high.

No shit man.  They are the worst.  I really wish I could fucking cancel my contract and go with someone else. 

I have two lines with 1000 minutes, unlimited data, unlimited messages, Unlimited Calling within T-Mo network, and insurance on both phones and with the "loyalty discount" it's $140 a month.

I have 2 phones with like 700-800 minutes, both have unlimited data and text, and I get a 15% discount from work and my bill is like $180 a month.

damn... thought i paid alot.

The unlimited plans actually have a 5GB cap.  I know this was true for Sprint, and I believe Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T (prior to AT&T going to Tiered plan).

Yeah, I got grandfathered in on the "unlimited" plan, but it is 5GB per billing cycle. The most I think I have ever used is 2GB.

Alpha from what I was told yesterday T-Mobile is 100% unlimited. I asked and we spoke at length about how other carriers chage outlandish fee's for extra data when you have an unlimited plan.  In fact we used 5.4 GB last month.

Its so easy to set you off Mike. Funny as hell too. However, I don't fllow the flock. I tried the phones just like you did and loved how it worked. Did a bit of researching on customizing my phone i.e. jailbreaking, and went from there. Frankly, I'm not a fan of Apple products. Never have been. I see Steve Jobs as the antichrist. The iphone is the only Apple product I own, period.
I know all about how my 3G is slow as balls compared to the current phones. That's why I'm going to step up to the 3GS. Same processor and RAM as the i4 without the retarded bugs. As for the OS and backgrounder, I've been jailbroken and running backgrounder since OS 2.2. Either way, I'm sure that by the time I do pick up the 3GS it'll already have 4.0 if not 4.whatever the fuck.

So I was charged $14 for 7mb of data usage back when i was on my Voyager... those fucking pricks!

Just feeding the fire Z. I wasn't really set off at this point the only advantage to owning and Iphone is to be associated with that crowd. Most of the app's are becoming available for free in the Android Market, and if there not free they still cost far less than Apple would charge. Well that and it can act as an I pod.

Can I ask what you I phone guys are paying monthly? I was comparing prices last night, and for my 2 lines (One I phone one BB) AT&T wanted $210 a month before taxes to provide 2 GB of data, and comparable services to my T-Mo contract. That's $840 a year more before taxes! That's absolutely ridiculous! Not to mention the fact that the T-Mobile plan actually offered 300 more minutes, and Unlimited data vs. a 2 GB cap.

when i had mine it was the same per month. ive never had a data plan. pretty much everywhere i go (school,work, home, theater and most bars) all have free wifi.
and when i dont have wifi for the 2-5 hours i usually live with out data.

I'm gonna hack my BB Curve 8330 to run the 5.0 OS.  Should be fun!!

i pay 90 a month with tmobile unlimited data  text night and weekends i dont talk much during the day so my 600 mins dont bother me i average  anywhere from 6000 to 10000 text a month so i need all the data i can get   >:D

I think our bill is about 200 a month for five lines, unlimited text, 700 non network minutes, early nights and weekends, a unlimited data plan and a 2gb data plan.

I heard a Blackberry / Android combined venture rumor last night from the guy I was talking to in T-Mobile's IT group. Not sure if he was bullshitting or not but, if you look around it would seem Blackberry is heading for trouble in terms of sales. Also read an article today saying that they don't think Apple is getting very many new customers, and that most of the I phone four sales are upgrades, also according to this the Droid was the best selling smart phone in the 1st quater of 2010

I'm impressed with the iphone4's smoothness and the crazy pixel ratio of the display, other than that, there's really no breakthroughs on new technology with it.  The Droid X however, is incredible, and I'm more than likely going to upgrade to it soon.. after reading several reviews on both phones, playing around with both phones, and forming my own opinion.. the Droid X seems to be the best phone out of both AT&T and Verizon's line up.  Keep in mind that I AM a macboy.  I do love my Apple products (imac, ipod).. but the new phone just doesnt seem like it's that big of a step up to me.

If the display means alot to you check out the Samsung Galaxy S series of phones. They all run android, and are running the hummingbird dual core 1.0 GHZ processor as well as a newer version of Andriod (2.2 Froyo), and it should be the first to upgrade to 3.0 (gingerbread) in the 4th quarter of 2010. Specs wise they are supposed to top the Nexus one which would be impressive.

yeah, I've read up on them as well, the AMOLED screen seems gorgeous.  I'm just not sure if I'm patient enough to wait for Verizon to release their version of it.  Droid X is supposed to receive an update to Froyo by mid-august.  And since Verizon just released the DX, they probably won't release Samsung's Galaxy S phone for a little while.  Unless I have just missed the release date for it..?

The HTC incredible has a 3.7 AMOLED screen, and runs 1.9 out of the box that might be another option. The Galaxy S on verizion will be called the Samsung Facinate, and will be available in mid august (date I read was the 15th).

I pay in the 170 to 180 range after taxes for my plan and that's with the 24% discount I get from work. 1400 min family plan for two lines, unlimited data on both phones, unlimited family text. I wasnt getting any discount whatsoever on verizon's data plan so I would've been paying alot more if I was to stick with verizon and those govt fees and taxes are ridiculous  :(

Another +1 for T-Mobile customer loyalty last night. A friend of mine had there 5 month phone chewed up and destroyed by the dog. The Rep at the store told them it would be $549 to replace and there was nothing they can do about it. Call was placed to loyalty and a replacement was sent out for 149 with a $50 rebate. Try that with AT&T or Verizon.

Well, I was smart enough to get insurance on my phone.  If anything like that happens, I just have to pay $50 and I get a replacement. 

Again, most of my apps are hacked/ free versions of the "paid" apps. C'mon man. You gotta do better than that! I get software for free. Why pay the premium most people are willing to pay for programs like Office Enterprise Blue edition, Adobe CS5, etc. And considering I'm using my phone over here with the SIM card of the phone they "gave" me to use, I'm pretty satisfied with the "underground" support my phone has. Sorry for going on a tangent with the software talk.

My new phone still isn't here fuckers!

Isn't hear? What? Must be because you are an android user. Haha jk Mike

LOL android is good the genius button comes in handy to text using voice while driving

No it's because I'm holding my I phone wrong!

http://www.apple.com/antenna/

I think apple wants to bring everybody down with them with that issue most of the cells they compare have great reception 

I'm now running a hybrid OS on my BB.  Sooo much better than 4.5

I'm sorry but, no other company has ever issued a case to remedy this issue. That alone makes this whole statement suspect. That combined with the fact that Apple first said there was no issue, then claimed it was just the bars on the phone being calculated wrong, and not an attenuation loss! This is the company that your trusing when they tell you something? I'm sorry but, they have lost a shit load of credibility with me! Also, the locations on most of those phones are far less likely to get covered than the Iphones spot during normal use. Obviously every cellular device has some area you can block that it will lost signal it was just a poor design where they put it. But, you have a cool piece of silicone to fix it so it's no problem!

For what it's worth, I tried holding it like they showed for the Droid X, and the bars weren't dropping at all. I even took the case off, and nothing happened. I actually really like how the phone feels without the case, but I'm not risking anything, so I'm going to leave the case on.

i currently have a BB 9000, its a great phone and was about to wait for 9800, but i decided i should go the other way get a droid  or the iphone4, and i know that apple is having antenna issues.  So which should i get an apple or droid?, btw i have att and i'm really leaning towards samsung captivate? any1 have an input on this thx

We are all fan boys so you are obviously going to get different answers. I think the iPhone 4 is a higher quality phone, has better apps both free and paid, has a better operating system, and better support. I haven't had a single problem out of my iPhone 4. I suggest it to anyone. I have messed around with a few android phones, the nicest being the Evo 4G, and haven't liked a single one. The Evo is also a $200 phone. I thought it felt cheap, was way to big and I hate the Android os.

The EVO is on a junk network! I-phone 4 is unrecommended by consumer reports which speaks for it self, not to mention the Nexus One, and Samsung Galaxy S series blow it out of the water any way.

I got my mytouch 3g slide today and wow its a great phone cant wait to root it when i get home

I added a pole. I'm just interested in knowing what everyone is using.

if I wasn't getting my iph3gs in Aug. Id call t mobile loyalty and make them give me a phone after this shity mother fucking rokr. it hasn't even been a year with it. Mike you think I should call and complain? I cant remember if it has a year warranty.

Call and see what they will do... Don't get a shit phone!

So far Android is in the lead! Haha.

I've read about how the Droid X has the eFuse in it, but people have also been saying that the eFuse has already been present in the original Droid, and other phones, but just hasn't been put to use. Maybe there is a chance for the bootloader to be hacked on the Droid X. Then we can start having custom ROMs! I've been having fun with root access to my phone... It's a nice feeling removing all the random programs they preload on the phone!

Android isn't in the lead anymore. Foo.  :flip:

Just rooted my android and tethering is working well with my linux so i guess it comes in handy

Whoo! I'm jailbroken!

hey bill what kind of case do you use? and now that its not illegal you dont have to worry about mike turning you in

Technically, it never really was. Apple can suck my ass if they ever want to void my warranty for being jailbroken.  :flip:

I had a Zagg but I took it off Friday. I thought it took away from the phone.

I'd never report him for jailbreaking. He's just trying to make his phone do what it should right out of the box.

Zing!!

any of you iphone 4 try the remote jailbreak straight from your phones yet at jailbreakme .com ? seems tempting

Yeah, that's how I did it. You got to the site, click jailbreak, two minutes later it is jailbroken.

Does that work for I pod touch as well? I'm always wanted to jail break it but, I'm lazy

yeah they said it works on ipods too all ios4 devices am doing my ipod touch now

Rocking the new Samsung Galazy S... The phone is lightning fast my only complaint is that it comes with a lot of unwanted software but, a little birdy is providing me some knowledge in that area (thanks Jeff).

is it hard to get used to the touch screen? I like what I see with the galaxy s series..  but coming from a BB Curve, that I really need to upgrade, all good phones now a days are touch. the droid x that I was going to get, upon further investgation, was very difficult to type on for me.. Unless the Droid 2 comes out soon..?

I have no issues typing on it. The keyboard is very similar to that of the I pod touch. Maybe because they come from the same manufacturer over seas? I have giant fingers, and with the phone turned sideways I have 0 issues typing on it.

I absolutely love the landscape keyboard on the Droid X. I was amazed the second i laid my first finger on it. Compared to my tiny ipod touch, it's a night and day difference.

fill me in i already rooted my slide  but i like the stock rom just hate the stock apps i cant delete

He's going to be sending me a tutorial of sorts, and then I will pass along the info to you.

I think I need to get a hold of Verizon.  I emailed the tech that helped me a while back, but I wasn't able to answer my phone when he called me back.  I never followed up with him.  I'm still having problems with my phone doing whatever it wants to.  It's not playing sounds or vibrating when I get calls or messages, and it's also doing the usual stuff where it will play a different alert/ring tone than what I have it set to. 

Tim

Just Do It (http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controlleritem=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5269&capId=142&phoneTopRated)

I'm busy doing other stuff right now. 

Tim, this was happening to me, and kind of still is with my curve.  It won't play my selected ring tones for different people, and at one point it wouldn't ring at all.. at that point I took it to verizon, and all the guy did was take the battery out to restart it.  I still can't get person specific ringtones to play, but atleast it makes noise again..

The OS is crap!

am telling you bb guys run hybrids there the best mines did the same where my alarm would not ring i swapped out the os n bamm battery life n os speed improved and now you can even run builds with os6 files on it which makes them more stable

I personally like the feel of it, but it is outdated big time.. and OS 6 doesn't look very promising on the new torch.. basically blackberry is great for what it was originally designed for, emailing within businesses..  however, as a new age smart phone, the blackberry brand is pretty much obsolete.  I mean, hell, they just released the Torch and it doesn't even have a 1ghz processor..  I would think that processor speeds would be going up to at least that in any new smart phone.. whatev... RIM is going down the tubes.

the browser on it is what really kills it its great for work but for everything else it lags where Android and iphone taking over

I think RIM will be bought out by someone in the next year. Metro PCS is on the move, and a potential buyer.

I'm not sure it'll happen within a year, but it'll definitely happen eventually. It all really depends on how well received their new OS is, and if they can come out with any more compelling phones. I think the torch would be a great phone if the hardware was up to date.

It's not a matter of where the company is going. I'm pretty sure it's headed down the shitter under the current owner ship. The piece I heard basically said they were going to get out while it was still worth something. It really seems like as the popularity increased that quality of the product went to shit.

Initial boot of Froyo on the Droid is underway!

What tools are you using alpha? I'm just trying to remove some programs from my vibrant but, I'm lost in the pile of information on what to do after rooting.

I haven't rooted my phone.  The official 2.2 build released today for the Droid.

But you should be able to delete apps through the Manage Apps section.

Not on the Vibrant they are assholes and piled it with useless apps that you can't delete.

Oh, that's weird. My phone doesn't come with useless apps that I cant get rid of.

It does come with a boat load of its own problems Bill! That's the beauty of being open source buddy... They will be gone shortly because I can actually access the Root of my product, and make changes. Fing Fanboys! Even with all these app's my phone will out perform your I phone 4 by a mile. It's faster has more memory, and it even gets a signal no matter where I hold it.

Pot calling the kettle black? Have you used an iPhone 4? I have just about tested every phone out there and still have not found one that I like better than my iPhone. They have all felt like cheap pieces of shit. They are plastic, huge, and ugly. I have used the Evo, Droid X, Incredible, Galaxy, and some lesser android phones and I would honestly be lying if I said they were better than an iPhone 4. Yes, there are design flaws. Luckily, my phone is not affected by it. I guess it is all preference... but you couldn't pay me to trade my phones. I'm done arguing, it's just beginning to annoy me. If I ever begin to doubt the quality of my phone, I'll just look at the sales.  ;D

Good look at the sales. 95% of I phone sales are upgrades while 95% of Android phones are new Android users. Everyone has there opinion but, your still comparing the top phone of one brand to phones not even using the newest software. If your I Phone is better why is it slower? Its a fair question no? You want to talk about inferior products lets talk about attenuation loss, and screens turning yellow. Those are issues the fact that you think something feels cheap is not a design issue its your opinion.

I've used the I phone 4 for a week, and didn't like it. I've also had a 3G (over a year) and used a 3GS.

I've said this a million times this smart phone war only benefits us as consumers because the next generation of phones will be that much better. You have to admit Apple went from having no competition to having someone produce phones equal to if not better than what they put out. Obviously when you pick up and I Phone 4 you are biased toward it I'm biased the opposite way. At the end of the day most independent reviews have the Galaxy S and I Phone 4 pretty much even.

Let's have a little fan boy challenge (myself included). What don't you like about your phone, and be serious don't try to tell me nothing!


Samsung Galaxy S - The biggest issue is some pre loaded software that I'll probably never use. The only other thing is that the battery life is not great when using the device stand by time is great but, using it I could probably kill the battey 5 hours.

I'm not a fan boy of my phone, does that mean I can't play?  I've got a few gripes with my phone. 

Uhh, alright.. I don't like the negative connotation that it comes with regarding the antennae... The only other thing is I can't set my text message alert to vibrate only, but I fixed that with the jailbreak. That really is it...

Throw them out there it will only benefit members in the future if they are looking into a new phone.

I hadn't heard about the lack of a vibrate only option for text.

Yeah.. It's always been like that. When you put your phone on silent it is vibrate only but I want it to ring and vibrate and only vibrate for text.

I hate that I didn't wait a few months to pick up the 3gs which is night and day better than my 3g. A simple fix when I get back home for Christmas though.

I think it's a good idea to mention the exact phone and carrier you have.  The network you're on makes a difference.  Here we go from the top of my head.

BB Tour - Verizon
- 4 Tours that all have the same problem / I have also had bad luck with my BB Storm, so this makes it the 7th BB I have owned in 18 months
- ring tone does not play what it's set to / it seems to be playing default tones at random
- sometimes the alert tone doesn't work
- sometimes the vibrate doesn't work
- drops calls like crazy
- every time I replace my phone and transfer my contacts, it reformats the phone numbers to have no spaces or dashes so it is 000000000 instead of 000-000-0000 or (000) 000-0000 / I have to manually edit it back to the way I like it so I can actually read the numbers
- battery life just dramatically decreased one day / no changes were made to the phone / no apps were added / it just went from me having to charge my phone every 3 days, to having to charge my phone every 12-18 hours
- Verizon customer service is shitty and inconsistent / some people are extremely helpful and are really nice, while others act like giant douchebags and are pissed that they actually have to do their job / I also get inconsistent information about fixing problems i.e. - one tech will say to do a SW update, while another will say that I should have my phone replaced

That's it for now.  I'm never ever getting another BB.  I've gotta call the tech guy at Verizon again to have him replace this POS phone. 

I've never tried that. I'm going to have to look and see if I can do it.

I'm in the same boat as you tim, my phone does pretty much all the same stuff, and I have the BB Curve from forever ago with the normal track ball, not the optical one.  I'm never getting another BB either... but I"m not convinced of any other phone that is worth it yet...

That's my problem too.  There isn't another phone out there that I know of that's going to be less of a piece of crap.  I'm basically just going to end up getting a different phone with different problems. 

Droid X, or the Droid you will be happy

I've already boycotted Motorola for the past 4 years. 

iPhone 4!!!! or if the whole antennae thing bothers you get the 3GS

go with a android phone and you'll be set

I'll be honest, I would be happy with an iPhone because I like Apple products.  I am not going to be switching service though.  I get a 15% discount with Verizon from work.  I would only get a 10% discount with AT&T through my work.  The main reason why I wouldn't jump ship is because 99% of my friends and family have Verizon and the same goes with my fiance.


Yeah, but which one?  Also, keep in mind that this will be a personal and business phone.  I'm trying to switch jobs and will rely heavily on my phone to do my job.  I must have a phone that will be reliable and provide me with email and consistent service. 

Well there many good ones with key pads and decent displays i use mines for work but it did give me issues setting up my work email with exchange server while my blackberry never did if you staying with Verizon droid is the way to go

I guess I'm the exception to the norm...

Verizon Network.  Hate the company but by far the best network.

BB Curve 8330.  Love the phone.  Nothing is perfect, but I've experienced minimal problems.  My OS maxes out at 4.5, however I just installed a hybrid 5.0 system with components from the 6.0 OS and the thing works better than ever.  It runs fast and battery life is great.  I like having a real keyboard, I dont think I'm ready for a touch surface phone.  To hard to work one handed.

yeah but tim, i think you posted your verizon bill was 180 or so.. but what if with apple with your girl it came to 180 with the discount?

AT&T won't be cheaper there prices are like robbery

or t-mobile. i mean i dunno how you feel using a jailbroke and unlocked iphone but my guess is that would be the cheapest route.

Not happening.  I highly doubt that I would save money with AT&T.  I also dislike T-Mobile.  Every person that I have talked to with T-Mobile has the worst call quality and I can never understand shit that they're saying.  Like I've said before, it seems that there isn't a good alternative out there.  All of the phones seem to suck and all of the companies seem to suck in one way or another. 

You are the only person I have ever heard make this claim about T-Mobile.

Maybe I'm the one that sucks?

No but, maybe it's the Verizon side. 95% of my friends and family use T-Mobile and I've never had an issue. Perhaps it's a T-Mobile to Verizion issue.

It very well could be.  I noticed this a lot with older phones, but the call quality with my BB and LC bluetooth is junk also, so maybe it's just the fact that they all suck. 

Nah. I'll go with your first conclusion.  ;D

Looking to upgrade my Curve and I want to stay with Verizon. What phone would you guys recommend? I would like something touch screen and as I said on FB, I really like the Droid X. Anybody have one? I know you techie guys have some advice..

get a firefly

Jeff uses the Droid X and really likes it.

i think i made up my mind on my next phone, i will be getting the new blackberry torch 9800

The blackberry torch is a good phone but felt like a brick in my hand

i heard it's laggy because the processor can't push the new OS, and web browsing is slow due to a browser too advanced for the phone itself.. correct me if I'm wrong.

granted, I like the idea of a slider BB, but it wasn't executed as well as it should've been in this day and age.

I fear it will have the same problems as the Storm.  I hated having that phone.  They released it way too early.  I just don't understand why companies start selling a product that doesn't have major bugs fixed first.

there was a leak os update for it already to fix the lag issues but am sure hybrids  will come out soon and you can always shrink the os to make it run smoother so its only a matter of time till we see some improvement on it

They probably want to get the most amount of money, then use that to fix all the bugs...who knows.

ok forget the torch, I'm seriously going with the iphone4 cuz of the quality and simplicity  :D

Another sheep joins the flock. Check out consumer reports man.

If I were to get an iPhone, I'd hold off on the iPhone 4.  There are too many issues with it right now.  I'd get an iPhone 3Gs instead, or wait for them to fix the problems with the iPhone 4.

 :stupid:

The problems are fixed you get a wicked cool silicone sleeve!!!!! Go Apple

well for all you Samsung Galaxy S users there a new New Kernel that  Improves Performance, Reduces Lag! Heres the guide http://androidspin.com/2010/08/09/guide-new-kernel-for-samsung-vibrant-improves-performance-reduces-lag/ (http://androidspin.com/2010/08/09/guide-new-kernel-for-samsung-vibrant-improves-performance-reduces-lag/)

I didnt really notice any lag when mine was working. new one should be here tomorrow.

Removed post from Bill and Jeff. Bill you have Pm

Ohhh someone getting in trouble  ::)

Looks like I'll be getting the Droid X after work today. It should be here in a week.  >:(

I just saw on CNBC that Apple is preparing iPhones for Verizon. It should launch in January. A couple days ago they were talking about the whole iPhone Android battle and they said if the iPhone were to go to verizon it would hurt android a lot... I guess we will see...

It would be the move that kept Apple above the water honestly. I know that AT&T does well in your area but, in the North East they are really really bad. Being on another network can't do anything but, help but, I’m hesitant to believe that rumor also. I've been hearing it since the 3G was supposed to come to Verizon!. I really encourage more competition its good for all of us. The two companies aren't going anywhere that’s for sure.

I'm skeptical about the iPhone coming to Verizon also.  It should have happened by now from the "inside" person that told me.  I'd be happy to switch to an iPhone on Verizon, but I'm assuming that Verizon is going to fuck up whatever is good about the iPhone anyway. 

Verizon has a bad habit of adding crap and extra security measures. I actually read about 20 minutes ago that they were looking toward basically everyone but, Verizon. The article I read said that if you were going to see it go to other carriers it would be other SIM based first because its easier to develop. I really don't see it happening anyway. I think AT&T is putting shit loads of money back into Apple on equipment sales, and that's why the agreement remains with a single carrier. It's the only logical reason.

 I think I said it before, but I'm pretty sure if the iPhone goes to VZW, they're going to wait until VZW releases their LTE (4g) network at the end of the year.. because CDMA technology is pretty much a dying art.  They don't want to use technology that isn't going to last.  who knows, maybe apple and vzw have been fucking with us this whole time, and are going to release the iphone as their first LTE network phone.

VZW is the most reliable network in the US though.. they have the worst customer service and tech department though..

Maybe it's my phone, but I haven't found Verizon to be that reliable for service. 

it's probably your phone..? mine drops calls, but only when I'm on rural backroads on my commute to/from work.

Samsung, Google, and Sony getting together to make an android powered gaming phone. A psp / galaxy s hybrid supposed to be out mid october. This should be interesting.

That's a mistake.  Sony is gonna bring Samsung and Google down. 

Ehhh... It depends how involved they are.

I like Samsung stuff.  Way back in the day (like 11 years ago) I had a Samsung phone and it worked great.  My mother has a Samsung phone with Winblows on it and it's the worst fucking thing I have ever used.  M$ overcomplicated the fuck out of it, which makes everything cumbersome to do.  I just think Sony in general sucks as a whole.  They do have some nice stuff, but I think it was a big mistake to stop making good car audio to cheap bullshit.  Their customer service has always been awful too.  I hope they don't have a big part in it.

I think you should get a Galaxy S series phone.. You would like it I feel, and there is one available on Verizon.

yeah the Galaxy S pretty sweet reminds me of a iphone on steroids if it wasn't for not having a keypad i would of got that one

the on screen keyboard is actually really really good.

I'd have to use it first.  I still haven't gotten a response from Verizon yet.  This is frustrating.

Go down to your local store and mess with one. It's basically the same touch keyboard as the I touch (same development company).

I'll do that when I have time.  I've been busy since I've come back, so I'm just trying to take care of a sizable laundry list of stuff to do. 

Mike, I didn't think the VZW Galaxy S had come out yet? or did I just miss it due to the release of the droid 2?  I have to go to the VZW store today to find out why the fuck my crapberry chirps in my ear every 10 seconds when I'm on the phone..

It should have come out on the 15th will all the other ones unless verizon was holding it up for some reason making stuip ass software updates.

probably doing software updates, it's not listed yet.. I'm sure they're waiting because of the droid2 release.  AT&T doesn't have theirs yet either do they?

Bought a driod x yesterday. It was funny, the chicks were competing over who sold me the phone (they work off commission), they were all bent over the desk, boobies hanging out. OMFG  ???










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Back to phone talk....First time I've went with something other than a BB, hopefully I'll be pleasently surprised

When I went to pick up my Droid X, there was this chick with some massive boobs and wayyyyyy too small of a shirt. It looked like the buttons were going to burst. Too bad they didn't!  :mad:

I also just converted all of my contacts to my Google Contacts list, so now I don't need to deal with that Verizon Backup Assistant bull. Unfortunately there's no way to unsubscribe to the backup assistant, so my internal phone contacts are just sitting there. I have my Droid X to only display my Google contacts now. I love Google Contacts way better!

Jeremy, you're going to love the Droid X. The multi-touch soft keyboard is awesome for texting!

Google contacts is def. great. I just went from one Google phone to another and the transition of contacts was as simple as logging in.

I hope so Jeff, I do alot of typing...Hows the porn vids on there btw?  :D

You worry me!

What?? Geez Mike lol....I'm assuming their crisp, esp with 720P HD

You just wish you had a 4.3 inch amoled screen

Droid X is 4.3.....so we breakin out the measuring sticks or what?

amoled son... Top o' the line!

So I'm guessing Mark has that type of phone  ::)

Mark?

Alpha

I was making a joke mike, don't kill it

Haha, I'm still rockin' the Motorola Droid version 1..

It's funny... Jeff, Mark, and myself all work with computers and software, and we all use what type of phone?

Jeff has driod x....and u forgot ur all geek wads too



Yes I said geek wad hahaha  :flip:

Geeks tend to use the best available technology... Posers and followers use other more flashy common devices.

That'd be me! Lmao

 :flip:

No your using the non trendy device.

so i have 4000 songs on itunes, have so odds and ends of tv shows too. how easy would it be for me to get it on a  galaxy?

Well the Apple Nazis use there own format so re download everything in MP3 format and it will be simple.

they are nazi's i agree, but i really dont wanna download 4000 songs again to use it on my phone when the crapple phone does it. but im very lazy.

You can convert it in iTunes.

You can use iTunes like Tim said, but I also saw an app called DoubleTwist (http://www.doubletwist.com/dt/Home/Index.dt) that has an Android app and client side program that's supposed to be iTunes-friendly. I've never tried it, but you could give that a go and see how it is.

Or get an Ipod touch!!!

In that case, I may be selling my iPod Touch 2G 8gb. I haven't used it once since I've gotten my Droid X.

Funny how I didn't have that problem with my BB Tour.  I could just make a playlist in iTunes and DL it to my phone with BB Desktop Manager.  It's a shame that there isn't something that would do that for the Droid.

I left the apple world along time ago so no more itunes i went open source and now am 100% linux so my android is friendly with it although the audio playback interface looks just like my ipods touch  on my slide i use a program called Rhythmbox its like itunes for linux to do my playlist on my phone

There is an app that will allow you to do this Tim

That depends on the format it is in iTunes.  I don't think BB Desktop manager converted .AAC files to .mp3 before loading it onto the blackberry device, does it?

I'd have to check.  A bunch of my stuff is MP3 instead of AAC.  I do have some stuff in AAC, but I can always convert that easily. 

hmm.. droid 2 seems to have antenna issues... and the galaxy s phones are having gps issues now? wtf?

It's all about finding the phone with the least amount of problems.  They're all going to have some issues.

Well they push out ota updates so they get fixes for there issues quick

My phone updated an hour after I took it out of the box (Galaxy S) I haven't seen a GPS issue since.

i upgraded mines manually snice am rooted  >:D but am glad they stay on top of the glitches and give us fixes 

 :mad:

 :question:

The rooted comment

Anyone know where I can get some droid X accessories, besides paying verizons high price tag?

Ebay!!! I bought screen protectors a silicone case and a car charger for $15

wow guys the It's Official, The G2 Will Be The First HSPA+ Phone for tmobile to run at 4g speeds but how much faster do they plan on making these android phones am happy with 3g speeds all i can tell is the faster the phone the worst the battery life is getting compair to my older phones

I'm thinking about getting the extended battery for my Droid X. It's $50, and it'll still fit in my case. It's tempting.

you talking bout the 1880mAh one? if so its worth the upgrade you will be able to tell the difference

There probably wont be a solid 4G network available everywhere for a year or so.

Still waiting on fedex to delivery my driod x...It should be here this time next week FML

what the hell is the difference between a droid x and a droid 2?

A physical keybord is the only real differance.

Droid 2 runs Android 2.2 out of the box but, the X is expected to update this month.

Both phones use the same 1 GHz OMAP 3630 processor and have 512MB of Ram.

The droid X has a bigger screen, and the camera is 8 MP while the Droid 2 is only 5 MP. Droid X also offers an HDMI output.

I would prefer the Droid X but, they are very similar - the keyboard.

^what he said.  basically if you can't live without a physical qwerty keyboard, you'll want the Droid 2. Otherwise, you might as well get the X, as it has a bigger screen and better camera.  The 2.2 Froyo update for the DX is supposed to be coming mid september I hear.

I may consider the Droid 2 if Verizon ever calls me back.  I'm still a bit hesitant to go with a Motorola product though. 

tim to be honest, I would hold off on it.  The reviews of the D2 haven't been stellar, and it's not a HUGE step up from the original Droid that is it's predecessor.  There are a few phones I'm holding out for, the Droid Pro for instance (basically the Droid 2, but better?) and the Samsung Galaxy S phone (Fascinate).  Not to mention the iphone is in production (supposedly) with CDMA antenna's (could go VZW or Sprint), if that's your choice.

I'd be okay with an iPhone.  Honestly, I just want a fucking phone that works. 

This phone is sick

The Iphone thing is a rumor at best. It started because the placed an order for deveoplement of a CDMA device with Pegatron Technology. They exclusivity agreement with AT&T is supposed to be up this year but, cash is king in Apples world so if AT&T is willing to write a fat check I'd expect to see nothing change. I would also think it would end up with sprint first Verizon has never been known to let the manifature of a device make a ton of money on it, and thats what Apple is after.

I can't see Verizon being willing to pay what Apple is going to want. From what I have read the deal with AT&T is very lucrative to Apple. They get an astronomical amount from AT&T for every phone sold. That is why AT&T's rate plans for the Iphone are so high because they need to be in order for them to maintain there profit margin.

Verizon's heads are up their asses if they aren't willing to go for it.  Regardless of what you may think about the iPhone, they lose a lot of customers because they don't have it. 

I agree but, Unless they do it at the release of Iphone 5 the will consider a minimal market share because all the fanboys will be under contract by AT&T. If they do expect the rate plans to go up... Or a special I phone plan...

You know that if Verizon gets the iPhone sales are going to go way up regardless of who is under contract. People are willing to do anything to get an iPhone. Like the lady who bought the seat from me at the release. She paid $500 just to be assured that she would get one.

Bill you fail to realize that all those idiots already have I phones... Thats what you losing here. Apple hasn't been gaining new customers they have had repeat customers.

seems weird. with the "x" and 2 numbers. i agree with tim. moto suckso. 

I personally like the X better than the 2. I'm very impressed with the software keyboard on the X.

In other news, there's a 2.2 Froyo update leak for the Droid X. I am more than likely going to try it out tonight.

Edit: Updating to Froyo now!

am runing Cm 2.2 on my slide is sick feels like a computer in my hand but am waiting for the g2 to come out and upgrade again

Even got my company up on the Android!!! $50 gift card with any Android purchase!

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Post up the linky!

Its a little more difficult than a link Jer.

Actually its a pretty easy process.  You just have to download the update file then boot into recovery mode and apply it. froyo on the X is pretty neat... but there are still some bugs that need to be worked out. I would wait a week or two when the official OTA update is released.

Edit: check out Smart Keyboard on the market. It's a pretty neat soft keyboard. The free one just doesn't have word predition, which i hate because it never works. Ever. No matter what system im on.

Droid X folks on Froyo will need to roll back to 2.1-update1

http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-warns-droid-x-users-not-upgrade-leaked-froyo

ruh roh!

Samsung Galaxy S Fascinate for VZW comes out on the 8th.  I'm excited to see/mess around with this thing finally. especially since it'll be updated to froyo by the end of September..

are the rumors true that it won't be getting Gingerbread though (down the line obviosuly)? something about it not having enough RAM or something. I can't remember.

Yeah, Jeremy, just wait for the official release of froyo, it's not worth it to root.  You'll end up having a $200 paperweight.

Won't be getting Gingerbread on what?

The Galaxy S line up.  fascinate releases on the 9th my bad.

I haven't seen that... In fact this article points out that this is a rumor. I'm sure Google will make it able to work on everything its a matter of what the Cell companies want to allow.

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/07/02/android-3-0-gingerbread-specs-may-be-fake/ (http://www.intomobile.com/2010/07/02/android-3-0-gingerbread-specs-may-be-fake/)

okay good.  That's exactly what I had heard, thanks for the article mike.  That makes me less aprehensive about the fascinate over the long haul.  Although, I still want a physical keyboard.. I'm glad new smartphones come out every other week nowadays.. sheesh!

I actually like the overlay samsung uses. It's takes a little getting used to but, once your get it down its clutch. It's called ”Swype” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swype)...

I use swype Mike, I'm still getting use to it but it's alot easier than typing, just one finger it..

......must resist........... :-X

They have that on the X? It's a cool little system.

Yeah, they have swype on a few different phones.  and they also have people beta testing it..  although, the beta is closed right now.

I actually use ShapeWriter right now.  It's similar to swype.  Not available on the Market anymore though since they got bought out..

Swype is on pretty much all of the android phones that have come out in the past few months..  I tried it out, good concept, I'm just stubborn in my ways, and dont want to learn yet another way to type.  I couldn't get swype to type words that have two of the same letter consecutively.. like BOOK.. do you just stay on the letter until it writes a second letter, or leave the letter and come right back to it?

You make a loop over the letter.

I personally don't like Swype. Maybe it's because I haven't given it enough time, but it feels like regular texting is a shitload faster. Using both fingers is better than just one. :flip:

Also, reverting back to 2.1u1 is no big deal. However, If they say it's rolling out in early September, that better at least mean this coming up week. They've been taking way too long for this update.

well, its better than Incredible users.  They don't even have 2.2 in sight..

Swype can be a lot faster once you get used to it.  I tried it, didn't like it, stopped using it for like 2 weeks, then i tried it again but for longer this time, and now i love it.

So I'm thinking about looking into Android app development.  I don't really like programming in Java though :(

Do it.... I want cool alpha stuff.

It'll be a lot of work though.. It's been a while since I've done anything with Java, so I'll have to basically relearn that..  plus I'm still trying to think of ideas for an app..

then later, possibly looking into iOS app development also..

it's something i still have to think about..

iOS is in Objective C, not java. So, you should do that instead. Defiantly some good money there.

Went into an ATT store yesterday with the girl because she's looking for a new phone.  So i got a chance to play around more with some of the droids and the iphone4 that ATT offer.. best of all was the HTC Aria.  The galaxy s that ATT has was pretty laggy not to mention i'm not a fan of touchwiz (samsung's UI), and the iphone4 had some serious proximity issues when I was trying to type with it (would press buttons before i put my finger down).  the Aria was snappy and typed great considering it's a touch screen. Not to mention I think Sense (HTC's UI) is the best skin over andriod that is out there.  I would recommend the HTC over anything else ATT offers right now.. then again, i didn't really spend too much time with each of them.. so take my opinions as you will.

I actually dislike the Aria. Maybe there model of the Galaxy S is loaded down with alot of stuff? Mine flies, and launcher pro makes it that much faster.

I agree with Mark. Some of the apps that I have that I think are awesome are:

Barcode Scanner. I'm starting to see QR codes all over the place. The other day I was at Busch Gardens and saw a QR code on one of their posters for tickets to some event. I don't know if Apple has an equivalent to this.

Google Maps: This really shouldn't be on the list since it's Google native, but it's still awesome. I don't remember there being any Apple maps services on the iPhone.

Wireless Tether for Root users: free wireless tethering without having to pay the $20/month hotspot bill. It's a little risky, but it works just fine for when I need to access the Internet fast on my netbook.

There are others that I am forgetting right now, but not all Android apps sucks.

I have a barcode scanner. My particular app is Red Laser. It gets almost every product and automatically searches the internet for the cheapest spot to buy it.



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All iPhone's come with "Maps". It is an excellent GPS and also functions as a phonebook. The GPS on my iPhone is better than my $600 TomTom.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/maps-compass.html


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I have no idea why those screen shots are so large.

There isn't an Apple maps service on the iPhone.  The Maps app on the iPhone is Google Maps, as illustrated by Bill's screenshot.

Bill you just failed.

I'm well aware that the "Maps" app on the iPhone is powered by Google. Why else would I post a screen shot that says google in the lower left hand corner?

That should tell you something there's no apple stuff on my android.

Apple is just using their resources  ;D

Your right they do need to use other companies to create there products that's a good model for longevity

Would it not be inefficient to create something as vast as a global map when there is an excellent one available? That would be stupid to go out and develop one. Google is a much more diverse company. Apple focuses mainly on hardware. They have very little software of their own.

What are they going to do when there software licenses run out and companies refuse to sell them new ones?

It looks like my email complaint went a little further than my phone conversation with customer service yesterday.  The woman who emailed me said that I could get a new phone and she would waive the difference in price so I get a free phone.  It looks like I have a little time to figure out what I want. 

At that point they would have no choice but to develop new software, but, honestly, do you think Google will ever cut that tie? Like I said Well over 60 million iPhones sold. That's a lot of opportunity for Google to get their name out there.

Galaxy s is the best option. On screen key board is the same as the I junk. So its not that bad. Come to the darkside!

This quote shows how short sighted you are. Take off your mainstream apple is the best mentality and realize that they will cut ties with there direct competition. As soon as that contact is up you can bet everything you have on it. You do not support your competition. Of course the  length of contract or duration remaining is not public knowledge.

Even if they do cut the contract. Google maps is free. Why would Google cut income? What stops apple from developing an app as an interface for maps.google.com. Hell, I could make that app.

You don't think they have the ability to stop that? Your way to one sided to even talk about this with.

Sides are irrelevant in this. This is more business strategy. All I'm saying is as long as Google is open source, which seems to be a high point for the android phones, they can't stop it. I know they have the ability to stop it, I just don't think they will.

They will stop the competition from using it I promise.

I disagree.  Tim I would suggest that you go in and mess around with all of the phones they have available, and choose for yourself.  read reviews. read comparisons.  Do your homework.  Not that I think you wouldn't.  There are a lot of good phones out there that are available, but it really depends on what your needs are from your handset.

Why though? When they can profit from it. We are talking about Apple here. They are more than capable of developing a map that is just as good. Obviously it would cost Apple a ton of money but they can do it. This is on a different scale but my families furniture company made wood tables in their factory. They used to be the number one selling table manufacturer in the country before imports came along. They sold the components to their tables to the factory next door because they didn't have the equipment to make the table legs. The company could have purchased the machinery required but then they would have been out that sum of money and Rose Hill would have been out of those sales. They helped the competition but remained number one. Obviously it's a different market and scale, but the same concepts apply in my opinion.

It's a totally different thing, and the cost of the investment to make a similar product would be HUGE. I don't think Apple's developement, and engineering is very good at all. It's evident everytime the release a product.

Does your Google Maps have Navigation or Google Latitude?

^mike you have to give apple props for the products that they have that are incredible.. namely their macs/macbooks, and ipods.  and the iphone when it first came out WAS pretty damn good (for the time frame) yes, it's gone downhill since and there are equivalents/phones that pass it by now, but nothing matched it back then.  Does apple make things hell for the end user? yes. but that's the type of company apple is.  they want their products to remain their products so they can maximize revenue.  which you can't fully blame them for.. all company's look out for their own ass first, customer after. Some do fuck you nicer than apple, but in the end, any company you buy anything from is fucking you.

iPhone users do have Google Latitude.  but don't get me started about Google Latitude..

Apple is just another player in the market.  Without competition, there wouldn't be various options to choose from.

The best thing about Android vs. iOS right now is the competition.  Companies are pushed to make things better, faster, more efficient, etc.

But the concept is the same, no? It may be on a different scale but it still applies.That's just an ignorant statement. In consumer report every category Apple had a computer in it was number one except the miniature and it was number 2. You cannot deny that the iPod is the best MP3 player one the market.

I have been saying this from day one. It only helps us in the end. It helps with pricing as well as developement, and after looking into it a little bit it seems that the realationship with Apple/ Google Maps will be ending soon. Apple purchased a map developement company and is in the process of building a "Server Farm" in North Carolina.

I agree and own one. When it comes to phones they drop the engineering ball. I think they became complacent in the few years since the original I Phone, and I blame the lack of a serious competitor. It's game on now lets see what happens. I do worry about how the released the latest I Phone will issues that the must have known about prior to release. I also like the Mac Book but, the OS isn't supported by the company I work for so I have no choice but, to run Windows. Let’s assume statements made in this thread only pertain to Cell phones because that’s its purpose.

It looks like it's a toss up between the Droid 2 and the Samsung right now.  I may go play with some phones after work if I have time.  Waiting on the Verizon lady to call me back though. 

I'm considering the droid 2 myself.. I love the docking platform it has.. looks like an alarm clock, and you can make it so it displays the weather for your area right under it, so when you wake up (phone is your alarm as well) you can see what your day is going to look like right away, and dress appropriately.  simple things like that make me like certain phones.

I couldn't be happier with my Samsung.

I am hesitant because it's a Motorola product.  I had a Samsung phone like 12 years ago and loved it.  So far, I've had good luck with Samsung stuff. 

Timmy I am actually getting the Droid 2 tomorrow. I need it so I can access internet from my phone on my laptop and it wil reduce my bill by quite a bit. I actually went and played with it 2 days ago and loved it. I hate my Env Touch and can't wait to get rid if it, on my 2nd one now. I am getting the Samsung intensity II for the kids as wel.

Holy shit!!  Carrie is posting?  Ridiculous.

My main issue is that I have never owned a Motorola product that actually worked well.  I've plenty of Motorola devices from pagers, to cell phones, to blue tooth devices, to my cable boxes at home.  I have had a problem with every single one of them.  As pissed off as I am with Verizon, I really don't want to set myself up for another phone that I'm not going to be happy with.  Based on my track record with Verizon, I've gone through like 12 phones in the past 4 years because they've all sucked.  I don't want to be one of those people, but at the same time, I really don't want to settle for something not working. 

I have seen negative reviews about the intensity II. I have also had the best luck with Samsung. The Intensity 2 doesn't run Android in is subsequently beaten into sub mission by edits to the software made by Verizon. On the other hand Tim I haven't heard many complaints about the Droid family. I agree with Moto's track record though.

Well, Verizon made the galaxy s phone their own.. they added Bing and made it the only search option.  you can't even install google's search widget on it, and bing is the default GPS as well I believe..

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/07/samsung-fascinate-review/  <-------That's a full review of the Fascinate done by engadget.com..
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/13/droid-2-review/    <---------There's the Droid 2 full review by engadget.com..

On engadget's scale (take it for what it is) they gave both phones a 6 out of 10.. take that with a grain of salt.. but their reviews have seemed to be pretty fair from my reading. other people would disagree with that though.

My Moto Droid has worked well since I've had it.  I haven't really had any complaints, at least hardware wise.  Only two minor issues I have about the Droid 1.  My friend had his keyboard start to lift, but Verizon took care of that right away.  When I had my first Droid, after a month or so, the slider started having a little more play than I liked.  I was being nitpicky, especially for a slider phone.

I've heard of the Droid 2 having wireless issues, not sure if they fixed that yet.

One nitpicky complaint with the Samsung Fascinate right now is that Verizon defaulted search to Bing, instead of Google.  I haven't looked into it enough to see if there is a workaround.

The one thing that I do kinda like about the Droid 2 is that it has a real keyboard.  I'm not sure about that swype thing that the Samsung has, or the "virtual" keyboard.  As far as my useage, I want it to fucking work the way it's supposed to and not have stupid issues like I have been having with my last 10 phones.  I'm going to have to check out both phones later tonight after work, but the Droid 2 and Fascinate seem to be the 2 top contenders.  

Mark, I think the only way to get around bing would be to sideload google or root the phone. (which I've heard is easy on the galaxy s phones).. but your typical user doesn't want to do all that stuff..

It is very easy... Almost to easy in fact!

true..  the typical user won't want to go through all that, and the typical user probably won't care about which search engine they are using as long as they can search stuff..

i'm actually a pretty typical user when it comes to my phone now.  probably because i used to hack my blackberry so much.  i rooted my Droid with that one-click root app, had it rooted for about 20 minutes, saw that i needed a different rom to take advantage of overclocking, then unrooted it.  i may root it again just for wireless tethering.

it may be easy, but most people won't want to take the risk in bricking their phones they just paid a couple hundred bucks for.. or having the warranty voided.

Hey Jeremy, if you're looking for a case for your Droid X, grab this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330467063699&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_1766wt_911

I just got it to replace the carbon fiber case from Verizon that I originally had (the tabs are broken... it's a piece of shit). The case above is pretty neat. it's made out of TPU. It is glossy, so it'll leave fingerprints, but I don't really care. The all black is a real nice touch. The only downside is that it's hard to press the volume rocker, the lock/power button, and the camera button. I've read online that you can stick some tape on the inside of the case and it'll make it easier. I don't have any tape right now, but I'll let you know how it goes.

The Droid 2 felt cheap and the keyboard was cumbersome and difficult to use.  My thumbs kept hitting the edge of the phone which basically killed it for me.  The Droid X was too big for my liking and both of the demos in the store were broken.  I'm concerned about the review I read about the Samsung Fascinate though, but it was my favorite one out of all the phones I tried out today.  Granted, I didn't stay in the store long, but I liked the Samsung the most.

do eeeettttt.

Tim did they have the HTC Incredible in stock? It was a nice phone when I looked at it; It's basically the Droid X but on a smaller screen. However, I think that the Droid X feels a hell of a lot sturdier than the other smartphones I've seen.

Which review did you read? and what are your concerns?

I still have to read reviews on the Fascinate.

I love the T Mo version...

The main thing that I got from the reviews about the Fascinate is that it's release was pushed and the phone seems to be buggy and incomplete.  Above all that though, I liked the Fascinate the most so far.  Something about the Motorola stuff just seems cheap and clunky to me.  The Droid X and Droid 2 are both phones that I know I would regret getting.  The Fascinate is the front runner for me right now, but I'm going to take a close look at the Incredible.

THe only thing I see wrong with the Fascinate from my point of view is that it doesn't have a qwerty keyboard although there is a virtual one but my fingers are too fat for that. LOL

I was even going to go with the Incredible, although it seems to be a really decent phone same issue only a virtual qwerty keyboard. Thus why I am going with droid 2. My last Motorola sucked as well but I am going to give it a try. It has to be better than the POS env Touch I have now.

The virtual keyboard was originally a sticking point for me but, after dealing with the Samsung Vibrant (Fascinate for you Verizon folks) for a week I really started to like it. The on screen keyboard once I got used to it was great, and I have huge fingers. At the end of the day all of these phones should run well software wise its just a matter of picking the best hardware for your needs.

The "virtual" keyboard is a big sticking point for me also.  I had a LG Voyager that was a nightmare to use, and my BB Storm wasn't any better.  Through all the bullshit I went through with those phones, I had always liked the keyboard on my 1st Gen iPod touch.  It wasn't perfect, but it was so much better than those phones.  When I used the Fascinate yesterday, it seemed to work as good as my iPod touch.  I really didn't like the physical keyboard on the Droid 2 though.  It was just very difficult to use and the screen of the phone kept getting in the way.  I just didn't like the feel of the Droid 2, and I just don't like Motorola stuff.

I have absolutely no problems with the virtual kb on my 3G. I prefer it over a physical kb TBH. The Storm's kb sucks because of having to "click" the damn things. Definitely not BB's finest hour.

The Evo 4g's keyboard I think is just as good as the iPhones. The only thing I didn't like was the way it looked. I think this is only because I'm used the iPhones and I could easily get used to it and it be the same to me.  Although, the guy who had the evo I was playing on came from an iPhone. He said it wasn't as good, but I couldn't tell.

I find the Galaxy S keyboard to be right on par with my 3rd gen Ipod touch.

The one thing I liked about the Fascinate was the response you get when you press a button.  It's way better than that click shit that the BB Storm has.  Anyway, I just got off the phone with Verizon.  They're going to let me get whatever phone I want for free.  I'm going to play around with a few more phones this weekend when I'm in MI this weekend and decide what I'm going to get on Monday.  It seems like I'll be going with the Fascinate based on previous experience with Samsung and the limited time I've had with the phone. 

Welcome to Android!

Android FTMFW  :mad:

Here ya go Bill:

http://www.androidcentral.com/android-will-have-second-largest-market-share-end-2010-says-gartner

And Tim, if you get the Fascinate, there is hope in getting rid of the Bing stuff and getting Google back on it!

http://www.androidcentral.com/get-google-back-samsung-fascinate-free-and-without-rooting

I'm probably getting the Fascinate to play with it for 30 days.  If I don't like it, I'll find something else. 

wow, finally got my 3g, took me like 2 minutes to jailbreak and unlock, seems the same as my 2g most because i dont pay for data use. could only wish i remember what jailbreak program i used for ringtones...

So I am officially a Google whore. As of now, I am using:

Google Desktop
Google Calendar
Google Mail
Google Checkout
Google Chrome
Google Voice
Google Docs

Me ---> :toilet: <--- Google

You're running those apps on your phone?

Google desktop and google chrome are the only ones that aren't on my phone.  8-)

Tim, I got the Fascinate over the weekend.. It is INCREDIBLE.  The keyboard worried the hell out of me, but it's more accurate than my blackberry. and easier to type on.  You should love it.  Not to mention that gorgeous Super AMOLED screen. yes. win.  I'm now part of skyne...COUGH droiiiid.

I've been considering the Fascinate.  My sister in law works for Verizon and says it's a great phone.  I have to take that with a grain of salt because she says that about every new phone that comes out.  Anyway, I am going to give it a try.  I'll probably order that today when I have a minute.

My feeling right now is that the Galaxy S series is the best phone on the market right now hands down!

agreed.  I'm sittin pretty here at work with my phone in "desk cradle" mode, listening to music, and watching the stock market/news updates.. jus' sayin'.  I got the buy one get any free deal that vzw is doing with the fascinate and got my gf switched onto my plan with a free fascinate of her own. I will end up spending only $200 for 2 brand new fascinate's, and a new line activation.. win. ;D

I really wanted to get the mobile hot spot thing, but don't want to pay for it.  It would be awesome for road trips though.

It's free on the iPhone. Just sayin.

Two words: Root Access

mike.. how risky is it to root the galaxy s?  I heard its fairly simple.. if so, how do i do it? and what are the real benefits?

I love irony... as I am reading these posts, I'm typing from my netbook which is connected to my Droid X's mobile hotspot. :D

oh jeff you're so silly. :)

Its easy just keep Jeff away from your shit! You basically down load a restore partition onto an SD card and then restore the phone. After it's rooted it gets a little more confusing.

For an iPhone go to jailbreakme.com and slide.

No one cares about the I Phone 95% of us have moved past it and onto superior technology.

Haha Mike is right... i tend to mess things up! There are plenty of tutorials online... you just have to be good with a command prompt. Hell there are even one click root programs for most of the android devices.

We were good for awhile.

command prompt I can do.. I grew up with DOS.. good times.  although, I will have to use the gf's computer (i have a mac)

So having something automatically done for you with little to no risk is inferior is having to do it manually with greater risk?

*Edit* I just found this article on PCworld. It seems that the iPhone 4 and Galaxy S are a draw. They both have strengths and weaknesses but in the end are pretty much the same other than the operating system, app stores, and carrier.

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/350310/apple_iphone_4_vs_samsung_galaxy_smartphone_showdown/

Then there is this one who gives its vote to the iPhone 4
http://www.knowyourcell.com/features/comparisons/546226/samsung_galaxy_s_vs_iphone_4.html

Bill your I phone is garbage end of story.

If the iPhone is garbage so is your Galaxy S. They are basically the same phone with different operating systems. There is nothing truly better on the Galaxy S than the iPhone. They have the same speed processor, ram, camera mp, video camera.

I Phone 4 = paperweight. Galaxy S = Best phone on the market.

What about the Galaxy S is better than the iPhone? Network and OS are both opinion. I hate the Android OS. The iPhone has a better camera, screen, battery, materials, and a bigger app store. I'm posting facts, you are posting opinions.

Your wrong sorry. You have never even given the Android OS a chance because your a silly fan boy. Ever use a Galaxy S I didn't think so.. If you had you would have posted some lame commentary about how you don't like it because it doesn't have a stupid apple on it.

Non of this is fact. It is all 100% your opinion.

You avoiding my question isn't helping the case. What not in your opinion, in truth, makes the Galaxy S better than the iPhone 4?

The Camera has a bigger sensor which gives one the ability to capture better photos. Fact.
The Screen has a better resolution. Fact.
The Battery has a bigger capacity. Fact.
Materials is debatable. Glass and Aluminum vs Plastic. I have always understood those to be of higher quality than plastic.
App store 225,000 apps vs 68,000 apps. So, maybe I should have said it differently. Bigger app store. Fact.

I'd have to say that there will never be an ultimatum in which phone system is better. People will always have their opinions, and even though android phones and apple phones are similar in functionality, they're at their own respective ends of the spectrum. In the end, it comes down to personal opinion, and that's it. No matter what review you read online, there's always going to be some sort of bias.

In my opinion, i'm a Google fan because of the seamless integration. Everything i need is right here on my phone, and it's all synced wherever i go, no matter which of my computers i use. I just don't that sense of connection with the iphone.

Another thing is that i feel that Android is more for power users who know what they're doing, and can alter anything that they want to suit their needs. With Apple, you're locked in. Apple strives to make things idiot proof... it's all about making things as easy as possible. Personally i dont like that, and prefer the challenge of messing with things myself.

Thank you!

why did you say one thing then change what you said to say the opposite?

Upon reviewing both phones, I found the fascinate to have better typing capabilities.  The iphone's proximity sensors were off and were typing letters when my fingers were just hovering over the keyboard.  The Fascinate doesn't have that problem.  That is fact from actually holding and playing with both keyboards.
 VZW is a better network, that is a proven fact.  so there again the fascinate takes the cake.
 I'll give you the app store having more "useful" apps than android marketplace.  I haven't had a chance to play around with either app stores enough to have  any opinion or facts for you there.
 Fascinate wins on battery btw.. for the main fact that I can remove my battery.  
I also have expandable memory/storage.  Iphones can't do either.  Fascinate wins there too.

Now, I am in no way a fanboy of either system, I chose the phone that better suited my needs that I had access to.

Galaxy S records HD Video Apple does not Galaxy S is better - Fact

Galaxy S screen doesn't turn yellow so Galaxy S is better - Fact

http://gizmodo.com/5571143/some-iphone-4-screens-have-yellow-bands-and-spots (http://gizmodo.com/5571143/some-iphone-4-screens-have-yellow-bands-and-spots)

If I have a problem with my battery I can actually replace it so Galaxy S is better - Fact

Google Market Place 90% of apps are free which is better - Fact

If I put fact at the end of my sentences it's no longer an opinion thats how this works right?

Another thing to add. I feel like an iphone is like buying a car with no aftermarket support. Sure you can jailbreak it, or buy wheels, tint, etc., but there's nothing else.

With Android, it's like buying a highly customizable car. If you don't like the performance, you can rip the ROM, or engine, out and put in something faster. Don't like the steering wheel, or keyboard? Swap it out!

I know this is a bad comparison, but it's all i could think of, haha.

I said the phone's have the same camera Mega Pixel. I was stating the similarities between the cameras. Both phones record 720p at 30 fps. I said fact because I can find evidence that it is true. So, basically, the apps are on average cheaper, the Galaxy didn't have a defect that has affected 55 out of 3,000,000 .000018% and you can replace your battery.

Haha Jeff. It's appropriate, this is a car forum after all.

I wouldn't waste my time avoiding your question. The Iphone 4 is a flawed piece of hardware. At the end of the day any company that recognizes an issue and solves it by sending out a rubber case is not a company I want to do business with. I'm sorry but, if that's how you treat your customers you don't deserve my business. It's like buying a brand new car that won't start but, they offer to tow it to your house! WTF!

That's not going to happen Bill.  Here are the reasons why.  If I were going to switch to an iPhone, I would have to cancel my contract with Verizon to switch over to AT&T and pay early cancellation fees.  I get a 15% discount with Verizon and a 10% discount with AT&T through work, so I would end up saving less.  I would also have to buy an iPhone, instead of getting any phone I want for free that Verizon customer service has already offered me.  On top of all that, I HAVE TO PAY MY OWN BILLS.  My parent's don't pay my bills for me.  When you become a member of the adult world and aren't dependent on your parents financially, then I may consider your advice.  Your perspective is very different when you're not financially responsible for practically everything.  You're still basing this decision on the fact that it's technically free for you.  I know what it's like because I was in your position when I was younger.  Now, I could have made the wrong assumption about you, but based on your attitude and what you talk about, I'm assuming the money you earn at work is "fun" money for you and isn't used to pay bills. 



Bill, you just contradicted yourself.

Now.  The bullshit stops here and now.  This isn't going to continue to be the iPhone vs whatever phone debate any more.  I'm growing very tired of listening to the bullshit banter and bashing that goes on.  If you can't act like an adult about it and stop beating a dead horse, don't fucking post in this thread.  No matter what phone you have and how superior you think it is, you still have the same small penis.  Shut the fuck up and stop arguing about your motherfucking opinion.  This is my last warning to EVERYONE.

This is to clear up the contradiction that I guess wasn't understood. I was referring to different aspect of the camera. I said they have the same Mega Pixels. I based the better camera comment on the fact that the iPhone has a bigger sensor and a flash. I love the poll. I'm going to say me though since I have almost every product Apple offers. Oh, and I understand why you can't get the iPhone. I just like starting stuff  :angel:

Stop fucking arguing Bill.  I'm done reading your posts because you have some sort of argument every time.

Tim, you have PM.

 :angel:            >:D    hmmm...

WTF?

 :stupid: Srsly, WTF? Is this going to end up another thread that gets ripped out of the database because of stupid bullshit?

hey i have a question what is your guys favorite app? i trying to get some, right now my fav app is espn score center.

Angry Birds beta, at least until the full version comes out.
Paper Toss.

I know you guys probably don't care, but I finally got my homescreen the way I want it, for now...

(http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/3995/cap201009140006.png)

If you haven't gotten LauncherPro Plus yet, buy it now! It's easily the best home replacement app out there, and it's growing constantly. I've got a total of five screens, but I didn't really feel like posting them. I like the main screen the most. :P

As far as the dock goes, the Phone button obviously brings up the dialer, and if I swipe up on the icon, it brings up Google Voice. When I tap the icon of a person, it brings up my contact search, or if I swipe up, it shows all my contacts. The app drawer is obviously the middle one, and if I swipe up on it, it opens the Market. The next one over is for SMS, and if I swipe up it opens Skype. Then of course the last one is Dolphin Browser HD (get it! I love the added features over the stock browser), and when I swipe up it opens Gmail.

/nerd

I just unlocked Launcher Pro Plus today, but I've been using Launcher Pro Free for a while now.

What battery meter is that?

I'm going to have to check my preferences.  I didn't know you could swipe up on dock icons, unless its a Plus feature.

Dolphin HD is amazing. I guess I will have to get Launcher pro Plus... It's good to be able to put things where you want them.

Favorite app so far is probably air controller (awesome game, addicting) and babble fish italian (trying to learn a new language and getting all the help i can.

Is Dolphin HD free?  What kind of benefits does it give?

If I root my phone, how easy is it to go back to how i got it.  and will I have any issues upgrading to Froyo when it comes out?  I'm really not up for voiding my warranty, but I really would like to stock it out so it'll run faster..

Wait for Froyo before rooting. It's coming soon anyway, and it will not update unless you change it back to stock. Dolphin is free, and the browser is a little faster and provides a couple of different features. It has a thing call gesture that allows you to create a symbol (letter shape whatever) to a web page, and when you draw the symbol on the appropriate screen it takes you to that site. The tabbed browsing is also improved a little. Its free give it a try.

ok, I'll wait for froyo to root then hmppff. :(  dolphin sounds awesome, i'll get it when I get off work today, reception in here blows.

oh jeff, awesome background btw.

For what purpose do you want to root your phone?

Because he can.

I'd like to get rid of Bing, and all of the other VZW apps that I'll never use (VZW navigator, vzw apps, need for speed, etc.).  They loaded it up with a bunch of crap is just taking up space and RAM.  Not to mention, most of that stuff is on when you turn the phone on, thank god for app killers.

I'm just not sure what your expectations are. Rooting the phone provides you with super user access. Super user access paired with the Android Development software allows you to make changes by changing file extensions or deleting files. Just so your aware it doesn’t allow you to just click on the VZW stuff and make it go away. It’s not overly complicated to do you just have to be very very careful.

I would recommend waiting until Froyo comes out. I forgot what phone you have, but until then, use LauncherPro. LauncherPro lets you hide apps that are in your app drawer to unclog things up a bit. It's not as good as uninstalling them, but at least you don't have to look at them again.

For me, the best advantage of rooting is backing up all my apps in case I have a problem and need to restore my phone. It's a program called Titanium Backup. After that there's the free wireless tethering. Also another cool root app is Drocap2. It lets you take screen captures of the phone. Right now I'm running on a custom rom called FlyX whiched is deodexed (allows themes). I hated the stock light gray status bar on the Droid X, so I got a theme that makes it black, along with other eye candy.

the battery widget that I'm using is called Gauge Battery Widget. Also Mark, to add gesture actions to your dock icons, just long press them and hit swipe gesture action.

yea I know, I just really want to clear it all off.  I want the hardware to actually come to it's full potential with no carrier bloatware on it.

For some reason I can find LauncherPro Plus in the Market place. Any ideas?

You have to download the free version, then go to the preferences and unlock it via paypal.

I'm going to need a lot of help with this shit when I get my new phone.  I'll have to order it later today after I wake up.

I can hook you up Tim... Jeff helped me alot LauncherPro Plus is a must!

Another sweet app to buy is Beautiful Widgets. I'd definitely recommend it if you like big fancy clocks on your homescreens with weather information.

What's the benefit to Launcher Pro? does it replace touchwiz?  I really like all the stuff Jeff was talking about with the LauncherPro Plus...

Here is what I PMed to Mike about what I love about LauncherPro:

• Custom dock backgrounds. Go to http://launcherpro.droidicon.com they have a ton of shit there... I am actually rocking no dock background right now
• Customizable dock. You can put whatever the hell you want in the dock. You can also make swipe gestures to open other apps when you swipe up on a dock icon.
• LauncherPro widgets. There are a bunch of Widgets that Fede (the creator) has made for LauncherPro Plus, and he is still making more. They are pretty awesome.
• Custom homescreen apps. This is a new feature... when you long press your homescreen to add an application shortcut, it will let you change the name of the app, as well as change the icon.
• Custom number of homescreens and docks. Right now I have a total of 5 homescreens. You can also have up to three docks that you can slide to. I only use one, but it's a nice feature if you want to remove clutter off your homescreens.
• 3D app drawer & hide apps. You can choose to use a 3D app drawer that has a neat fly in effect. You can also hide apps that you don't use in the app drawer.
• Previews. You can set it so that when you press the home button, it opens up a "preview" of all your screens. From there you can tap a screen and it'll take you straight there.
• 5 icon rows in homescreens. The default is four. I wouldn't recommend doing this because it may look worse on other phones. I modified the LCD density on my phone, so that things are slightly smaller. That way I could enable the 5 icon rows and not have any problems.

I'm not sure what TouchWiz is, but if it's your home interface app, then yes, it will be replaced.

It replaces TW.. It's alot faster

Hey Jeff and Mike, do either of you use gchat?

I have used it but not on my current phone.

Oh okay. I was hoping to have a quicker way of getting a hold of either of you for any Droid questions.

I'll pm you my number you can text.

I'll PM you mine as well. Texting is the fastest way to reach me. I used to run Skype 24/7 on my phone, but I noticed that it burns through the battery pretty quickly, and I don't really use it that often, lol.

Finally got all this crap sorted out with Verizon.  For fuck's sake.  They have the most inconsistent customer service.  I hate the fact that they have different teams where one person can do something to help you, but another can't.  There is no consistency in service at all.  I wonder if everyone else has this much bullshit service?

Tim, I've never really had any problems with Verizon customer service. I used to own an LG Chocolate which broke 3 times, and they replaced all of them under warranty. I then had the LG voyager which broke like 2 times, and they replaced those under warranty as well. Maybe all the Verizon employees where you live are a bunch of douches or something, lol.

i dunno if i had a phone break 3 times and they kept sending shit phones id be pissed. ive only had that one problem with t-mobile and the discount thing which was taken care of in 24 hours, when talking to the people in the store ive never had a problem. tmobile has been great, for the most part i get reception where every one else does. i usually dont deal well with bs service.

Well, it's commonly known around there that pretty much everyone is an asshole and people in the North East and more specifically New England are outwardly rude to everyone.  I have dealt with customer service in the store and I've dealt with customer service on the phone.  They have all been inconsistent.  There is no uniformity on how they help their customers.  Anyway, I've replaced my phone 7 times within the past 20 months and the only thing customer service was willing to do was sell me another phone.  I told them they could go fuck themselves if they though I was dumb enough to pay them for another phone when I've had 7 non-functional phones in a row (even more if you count the 4 LG's that I've gone through). 

Anyway, I finally got a hold of the email customer support and got things cleared up with my phone.  They're sending me out a Samsung Fascinate.  I should have it by Monday.  I'll be talking to a few of you guys about how to get the most out of my phone so I can toss the Verizon junk and use it as a wifi hot spot.

Only way to do that is to root.  I'll PM you a link on how to do that with a video tutorial that is based off of a mac operating system.  So you can use your macbook to root.  I am probably waiting until froyo gets released for our phone then I will root.  If you want to do it before me, let me know how it goes.. lol

I'd wait the month or so for 2.2 to drop. If you use launcher pro you can hide all the bs apps that you don't want to see any way. Out of site out of mind.

^yeah, I'm taking that advice..  I'll wait for 2.2.  but after staying up browsing android forums and developer forums and youtube videos for all this stuff, i'm definitely convinced i'm going to root.  and then I'm going to run the lag fix which will increase the speed by about 3 fold. (or so i've read/watched).

Once I do root, launcher should I run?  I've seen cyanogen, and it seems pretty good.. or should I just stick with stock froyo?

If it were me, I'd go with stock froyo and run launcher pro after you root.

All this talk of root, I think I'm going to root my phone again so i could use it for wi-fi tethering.

what phone do you have mark?  and if I did root now, how easy would it be to reset it back to OEM?

Fucking nerds.

We are not nerds

Well, on the other side of the spectrum. The iOS 4.1 was released. It has the capability of HDR photos. I'm interested to see how that will turn out.

Droid 1.

The HDR doesn't work very well, at all.

oh hey for droid users or people who know all too much about phones a tool at work bought a droid, and as he says" with all the bells and whistles" for 300. to me this seems high. i dont know what model if its droid 1 or x but i know its not 2. i was curious as to what all the bells and whistles are ? he also stated it has "everything" downloaded on it.

bill, I can't imagine a cell phone camera being good enough to take HDR photos ever.. I get that HDR is the coolness, but it's not necessary for a phone camera.. lets save that type of photography for real cameras please?

I am a nerd, and proud.

status: you said it, he's a tool.  it really doesn't sound like he knows what he's talking about.  I did the buy one get one on the samsung fascinate and will end up paying 200 altogether for the phones additional line activation. that's ofcourse after my two rebates go through for 100 a piece. some one can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that there isn't a phone on VZW for over 200 with your upgrade or 2 year activation..

Yeah. Like I said it sucked.

oh and bill.. post up some shots with the hdr, as much as I'm against it being on phones, I still want to see the actual product.

i should have also stated its used.

Here they are: The first is non HDR the second is "HDR"
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Honestly they look like the same image with the brightness changed. This may be a sort of marketing gimmick. Assuming those shots are taken around the same time with similar light it just looks like the image is filtered.

Honestly, that's probably all it is. HDR sound fancy, so they use it. I'm almost positive it only takes one picture. I'm a photography noob, but I don't think it can be HDR with one pic.

Not sure the non HDR images look good for a phone camera.

You can tell it took more than one picture in the HDR mode if you look at the water in the fountain.

Holy shit good eye Tim

That's it.  I've been fucking around with Verizon trying to get a "free" phone for the last 3 days and there is still no progress.  They actually expect me to pay for the phone with a CC, and then they'll credit my Verizon account.  That's not free and it's also a huge inconvenience.  I'm done with these motherfuckers if they don't do what I asked them to do. 

Who here has AT&T?  What do you like about their service and what do you dislike?  Have you ever had a problem, and how has their customer service handled it?  I don't fucking care about your phone, I just care about the service.

I have AT&T and have had them for about 6 years. Haven't really had an issue and when I have, they fixed it immediately. From my experience, they've been very helpful whenever I did have a problem and/ or questions about anything.

When I used to use the Iphone the reason I jumped shit was the lack of reception locally. I lost signal all the time including when I was at home.

I have AT&T and we have had it for a long ass time. I don't really ever have problems with. It rarely seems like we have billing problems and I don't think anyone has ever gotten a faulty phone from them. My only problem with AT&T is how long it took them to get 3G where I live. They have it now and I don't have any complaints. I don't pay the bill, so I can't comment on prices.

Verizon used to be helpful and take care of things immediately.  They keep changing their policies to save money, so things have gotten worse and worse as time progresses.  Here's an example.  I go to a store because I have a problem with my phone.  They check it out and test it and deem it defective.  They replace it with a brand new phone in the store.  If they don't have that phone in stock, they ship me a new phone and have me come back to have my contacts transferred.  Then they change their policy to only sending you a new phone.  Then they changed their policy to send you a replacement phone that is refurbished.  At one point, you could replace your phone with a different model if you have done 3 replacements already.  Now, they will only offer you the same phone, or you can BUY a new phone at the 2 year contract price.  Their service and policies have gone down the fucking toilet over the past 5 years.  Verizon as a company sucks a sweaty asshole.  They are the worst fucking company when it comes to customer service.  Those corporate fucks can lick a sweaty asshole if they think I'm going to pay for a "free" phone. 

The only thing good that I can say, is the woman from their email support team has been very helpful and tried everything she can to help me out.  She has been getting screwed by Verizon's policies and limitations, which in the end will turn me away as a customer.  Their policies suck.  Those money grubbing whores can choke on the money they're saving by fucking their customers over.
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Oh yeah Tim, that reminds me of one problem that I've always had with Verizon. Their "Backup Assistant" program which backs up all your phone contacts to them so that if you get a new phone or something, it'll put them back on. Well, it never worked that easily. When I had switched from my LG Voyager to my sister's LG Voyager temporarily until I got the Droid X, we had to do the backup assistant bullshit so that I could get my contacts on her phone. Well, when they did it, it added all of my contacts to her contacts, which I did not want. I told them to fix that, and they ran the backup assistant again. I knew it wasn't going to change anything, so I said fuck it and left. Well, I figured that I could try deleting all the contacts on my phone, then run the backup assistant, then it will restore all of my own contacts. Nope. Instead of doing that, it mirrored the changes, and I lost all of my contacts. I was lucky to have a backup on my computer from a long time ago, but their backup assistant program is complete bullshit.

That is the reason why I now solely use Google Contacts. It's all in one place, and you don't have to do any "backing up" shit. Instead, it syncs your phone so that you see all your contacts, but it still works like a regular phonebook. Right now I've got nothing stored on the phone itself... everything is from Google Contacts. You can also log into your google account online and change the contacts there yourself too. Verizon did have something similar online for their backup assistant, but it was bulky and very annoying. Once I had gotten all my contacts back, I used the verizon website to export all my contacts, then imported them to google, then deleted all of my contacts off the phone and backup assistant.

My phone won't let me not add new contacts to the phonebook, but it will add them to Google at the same time. So whenever I add a contact, I just delete the phonebook version.

Thats where the lack of a Sim card always hurt verizon. At least using the sim sysetem all you info is stored to the card As long as that doesn't get destroyed your all set.

Funny.  I know people that have jumped from Verizon to ATT because they didn't have any signal in their home.  I guess it all depends on where you're at. 

Reception is very dependent on your location.

I've gone through every carrier.  I had Sprint way back in the day, back when they first started Sprint PCS in 1997.  I had Sprint until I switched to T-Mobile in 2003.  I then had T-Mobile until the iPhone 3G released, which led me to switch to AT&T.  When I switched companies, my corporate discount for Verizon was better, so when the Droid released, I switched to Verizon.

I haven't had any complaints about Verizon really.  I have yet to use Verizon for any tech support issues; although, I do need to call them about a caller ID issue so we'll see how that goes.

When I was with AT&T, I did have an issue with my Blackberry Bold.  Going into the store, they direct you to a different location, one of their Warranty Centers.  As I walked into the Warranty Center, I showed them my phone, they checked it out and deemed it defective, and then replaced it with a refurbished phone.

When I had phone issues with T-Mobile, I called their customer service.  They proceeded to send me a refurbished phone in the mail with a box to ship the old phone back.

I don't recall having many issues with any Sprint phones, other than my one phone that went through an x-ray machine at the airport while on.  That phone had issues after that.  I never had it replaced though, I just dealt with it until I switched to T-Mobile.

Oh, a problem for me with AT&T that I forgot to mention earlier. On game days in Starkville, there is no service. I guess the network can't handle all the people. All my friends with Verizon have no problems. I'm not sure if that could pose a problem for you but I thought I would mention it.

I'm far enough away from any major stadiums or fields where service would be affected.  I live in the sticks.  Anyway, that woman Karen was helpful and able to get me the phone.  I basically told her that if I was going to spend any money in any way on a phone, it would be with ATT for an iPhone.  She made shit happen at that point. 

Glad you finally got it worked out Tim.  Sucks that you had to go through all that crap in the first place though...  :\

Glad to hear that things worked out. We'll get you turned to the Google dark side in no time.  >:D

I already sent him the root method for the fascinate.. lol. but neither of us are going to do it until froyo is released, unless I get impatient (that happens a lot..)  8-)

You're not the only impatient one. The froyo update for the DX was schedule for early September, but now it looks like it will be sometime in October. I gave up on waiting, so now I've been running the leaked froyo update. It's starting to annoy me though because I've been having problems with the camera not taking pictures, and the video player not being able to play recorded videos, and not being able to play music.

Why can't you root then just do it again when froyo comes out?

Well the dev people would have to come up with a new root method, because the old one was only for 2.1. So it's really not worth the effort.

I'm just going to wait.  Anyway, it's taken 3 days to get to actually order this fucking phone.  Let's see how it all works out.

when i had att they were great,  just when i had to start  paying for my bill it was too expensive.

Yeah, there wouldn't really be a point of rooting, then returning it to OEM for the froyo update, and then rooting again after that.  definitely too much effort.

Tim, just FYI, the only bad thing I've found with this phone so far is the battery life just absolutely blows.  I was listening to music and pandora this morning for about 3 hours at work, and was texting for a little while and my battery is at about 1/3 power.  That's with an all black background mind you. (black on amoled screens actually turns the pixels off; thus saving power)

From what I've read, AMOLED screens consume more power than LCD or whatever the other kind is. Right now I usually get about 10-13 hours a day out of my phone under heavy web browsing and texting. Also, the screen is at max brightness most of the time because I'm walking to class. I have it set to auto brightness. I've been wanting to get the extended battery, but it's pretty damn expensive. I'm waiting to see if there are any promotional codes to take some cash off. :P

I probably wouldn't be using it for music.  I have a dedicated iPod for work, and can also stream XM on my work computer.  I'd basically be using it for texting during the day.  As long as I can keep using the charger at my desk, I should be good.  It has the same charging port as my blackberry.

I've actually heard the opposite.  because the Droid Incredible is switching from the OLED screen it had to an LCD.  Engadget did a review on I think the nexus one who had to do the same thing with it's screen.  and they had results saying that the OLED screen was leaving the battery with more of a charge than the LCD one.

I think battery life on the fascinate has more to do with the fact that it's overloaded with carrier bloatware that I can't remove or shut off. Rooting will solve this though, since I can re-clock the processor (carefully ofcourse) so that it's not running full speed unless it's in use.  Battery life will be greatly increased once I root.

Tim, are you sure it uses the same charging port? I thought so too, but didn't realize that micro and mini-usb are different.. (i r dum)

The BB Touch uses the micro.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/spot-the-difference-htc-desires-slcd-versus-amoled/

There's the link to the battle of AMOLED vs. SLCD. 

In my usage Its got alot to do with the AMOLED I'm noticed if I turn the brightness down in the battery widget my battery last about 30% longer. It's a considerable amount. I like to set my phone to adjust the brightness automatically so I just keep a charger around. 1 at work , home and car

When I get paid again, I'm going to invest in a couple of those dock chargers, one for work, one for bedroom (new alrm clock yay!)

You use the galaxy S right where have you seen dock chargers.

Verizon has them on their website.. i haven't seen it in person though..

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=accessoryDetails&archetypeId=12281

that's the dock they have for the fascinate.. it's not really great looking, but it would function fine i'm sure.

Oh, and just to let you know, I installed launcher pro last night, and customized it the way I want.  I'm pretty damn happy with my phone right now.  performance does seem to have improved a good deal.  I'm just looking for new dock skins and such now for a bit more eyecandy.

oh, and if anyone has used the app Jorte (it's a calender/to-do organizer) it's awesome.  very good calender

I was looking at those last night.  Then I got the stink eye from my woman about wanting to buy it. 

Got the phone yesterday.  It took about an hour to get it to work because Verizon fucked up and set up the phone for the other line on my account.  The backup assistant doesn't work on the phone.  Jeff showed me how I could add all my contacts using my gmail account.  To me, that's a pretty big pain point, but from what I've read, it's a known issue.  There's a ton of applications that I really want to toss or at least hide, but Verizon has made that impossible to do.  I will say that I like it so far.  The swype feature is actually pretty cool, but takes some getting used to.

Launcher Pro will allow you to hide all of those unwanted things. It's also faster than the default home program. Check it out. I'd also reccomend purchasing the plus version for $2.99 you can't go wrong. Or you could just use the free one if your content.

what features are unlocked with the paid version of launcher pro?

Can you hide apps in the app drawer in the free version?

yessir did that asap when I installed it.

At this point I don't actually remember what was free and what wasn't. I know that it contains widgets which free doesn't, and in my case it runs alot faster.

hmm, maybe I'll try to get in contact with the developer and see what upgrades come with the plus version.

It's only $3

You get widgets, and widget resizing is part of the Plus features.

I forget what else, but the developer works pretty hard and updates pretty frequently, so I didn't mind spending the $3.

I just got an update for it today actually.

The new update includes a new widget called Friends, that combines both Twitter and Facebook in one widget. I don't have a Twitter account, so I just use the Facebook one.

I would highly recommend buying Plus, because the developer is constantly providing new features. With the newest update, you can change how many icon rows and columns you have, which is pretty cool if you want more screen space. The developer also said that a really cool widget is going to come out soon, so we'll see what exactly it is.

okay, you've convinced me, i'll upgrade when I get home.  signal's too dodgy at work to try it.

on another note, you droid x users should be happy.. you'll be getting Froyo tomorrow I believe.  So jeff, time to unroot! haha

I really need to hang out with Mike so he can show me all this nerdy crap. 

LOL i'm not a nerd I'm a dork

Yeah Brian, you're right. Although, the update has already been leaked, and I'm currently running it haha. A lot of people have been saying it's a fake, though. I'm thinking about reverting back to 2.1 and getting the update tomorrow. It'll be easier than dealing with all these leaked updates and whatnot.

Whatever nerd.  You busy this Saturday?

Answered via text on Android!

I need one of you guys to help me out with some apps to clear up all of this junk that I don't want to look at.  Can you guys hook up a list of apps and mods that you would recommend?

LauncherPro is first. Then you can hide all the stuff you don't want to see and go from there.

agreed. LauncherPro is first.  Then you'll want google stuff (nav, maps, etc.)  I recommend a battery widget, the one jeff uses, and subsequently me, is Gauge Battery Widget.  Beautiful Widgets is a great clock/weather app (just got it last night).  Jorte is a great calender app.  and Color notes is a cool sticky note app.  Oh and to help save on battery, try to find a dark if not black background.

Zedge is a pretty neat program for getting sweet backgrounds. Chrome to Phone is also an awesome app if you want to send a link from your desktop to your phone. It is for Froyo 2.2. only though I think. And of course, Dolphin Browser HD is the best browser ever, lol.

Gotcha.  I'll have to look into all of these apps.  I got LauncherPro last night.  It's taking me a bit to get used to it, but I like the look and what not. 

My new Backround

(http://www.androidbuffet.com/files/2010/07/android_eating_apple.jpg)

nom nom nom

Hahaha.  Mine is just a black screen.

That's actually pretty funny. My boot logo isn't the dumbshit Apple logo. If it wasn't for the fact that I already have shit in place for the iPhone, I probably would upgrade to a droid. Steve Jobs can suck my fat cock. I still can't stand Apple products. There just wasn't anything on par with the iPhone when I got it. Fuck it. At least I'm not a fanboy like someone here we all know and give shit to.

Z when you get home it may be time to join the darkside my friend.

Too much shit to have to replace to join the darkside. In my case, joining the darkside costs too much money.

 :droid:

I wonder where you got that idea. I think we need mooooooooooore :droid:

FWIW, I love the browser on this phone. I've been in meetings all morning and have been using it as an opportunity to play with my phone since I'm not actually paying attention to the meeting.

Are you using the default? If so I would check out Dolphin HD

Have you guys seen Tapatalk? It's supposed to provide easier navigation to forums.

http://www.tapatalk.com/

I don't have it installed on our site, but I could if people wanted to. Right now I'm testing out the Tapatalk RO version, which is sort of gay though because you can only read posts and PMs, not reply or make them. It's $3 to buy the app. I think I'm going to install it on ECM just to see.

This is actually pretty cool.

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Yeah, I'm using the default browser.  I've only had the phone for 4 days now, so it's going to take me a little bit.  I'm still getting used to LauncherPro and learning all the features.  I know I'm still not using it to it's full capability.

While I was waiting on the football game to start Saturday, I figured I would try out the iPhone's HDR feature again. I thought these were a little more noticeable. Here they are:
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Ehhh.  They aren't that good.  They just look like normal pictures. 

Hey Bill, do you think Tapatalk is worth the 3 bucks? It looks like a really neat program... I've just been messing with the read-only version.

From the looks of things, I'm not seeing anything on ATT's site that's appealing to me in any way. The shit that I've found running the Android OS for the same price I can get a 3GS doesn't quite grab my attention. I know I'd have to actually mess with the phone to know for sure if I want it but as of now, its looking like the 3GS is still in my future. One thing though, I have unlimited data as it sits now and I'm unsure if I'd lose that once I switch phones. ATT's big fuck up was getting rid of the unlimited data. They'll bring it back though.

That's pretty bad if they don't offer unlimited data.  Hell, even Verizon has unlimited data.

It's actually genius from a business stand point. All the idiot fan boys are going to go and get I phones no matter what. Some were grandfathered into the unlimited data but, for the ones that weren't AT&T is raping them with monthly charges, and they don't car because they got the one with the "most GB's"! I can't imagine the amount of money AT&T scored off just these people using data!

Luckily, I'm grandfathered in. What Mike is saying makes sense from a business standpoint but I also see it as ATT losing business as a result of this move. Its actually something they put into effect in recent months. The other drawback, like I mentioned before, is if I join the darkside, I lose my unlimited data. I'm actually pretty certain about it now.

If youw were going to switch why not just switch carriers. Not sure how AT&T is in FL but, it's really bad up here.

ATT is actually really good in Florida especially down in Miami and I have no plans of moving anywhere else. ATT has been good to me and I'm loyal to those that are good to me.

I hate to promote this but, here's a pretty good deal on re furbished I phone 4's. Of course why they already have refurbished ones to sell is alarming but, to each his own

http://dealnews.com/Refurbished-Apple-i-Phone-4-16-GB-for-149-free-shipping-32-GB-for-249/392060.html (http://dealnews.com/Refurbished-Apple-i-Phone-4-16-GB-for-149-free-shipping-32-GB-for-249/392060.html)

Meh. The iphone 4 isn't very impressive to me. I see it as a 3gs with a forward facing camera, different case and more pixels/ inch on its display. Not selling points for me. I'll stick with my decision to upgrade to a 3gs.

Thought this was interesting. Click Me! (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20017417-37.html) That is January to June though. Seems like some serious competition has been released since then. I'll be interested to see next years.

It's also interesting to see how close 2nd and 3rd were to the iPhone. 

That's what I also noticed. Motorola was only 9 points away or whatever. I'm also not surprised at how many people are switching carriers because of bad service.

Of course.  Bad service trumps cool phones. 

What's AT&T like in FL Jeff? I guess it's a regional thing, but AT&T seems to be the best in the South East. My Dad's work phone is Verizon and he doesn't even use it because the service is so bad.

Everyone where I live uses Verizon. I don't think I've come across one person that uses AT&T where I live. I'd imagine that probably means that they're not all that great around here.

My phone worked perfectly fine that day I dropped off the exhaust tips at your place Jeff. Matter of fact, I had service through most parts of the country that I drove through.

Cell service in the US in general sucks. Go to Europe phones work in tunnels on the subway and shit. The infrastructure in the US is so far behind in this technology.

I really wouldn't know about that. Never been to Europe. Besides, with every large corporation, its always about getting more money and not giving the little guy the shit he's worked for. I'll bet the U.S. does have the same, if not better infrastructure in place but won't do it to squeeze out more money.

I don't know about that man but, you are right in the fact that the US has alot of laws surrounds bandwidth. Thats why when your in a largly populated area your response isn't as quick. To many devices trying to grab at a minimal amout of bandwidth.

Also makes sense. Fucking FCC.

They were developed to keep AM radio stations from getting squashed hopefully they change them no that AM is so sparce.

You'd be surprised at how many people still listen to AM radio.  I just don't understand why.

I actually listen to a program on Saturdays on an AM out of Providence. It's a buddy of mine is the only real reason though.

Thank you lord. The Govt is finally taking charge in cell phone bill and will vote tomorrow to make cell phone carriers send an automatied text to clients when they minutes are about to expire. So no more stories about mysteries $10,000 bills for overage charges.

^I saw that story, carriers have been raping the country for long enough.  I have unlimited everything plan, so it doesn't really affect me directly, but it's still good news.

Did you also see that Verizon is refunding up to $90 million for "mystery data" fees?  The FCC is still investigating the matter further because of reports of mysterious data charges for phones that were not enabled for data.  I guess something like 15 million people were charged over the past 2 years.  It's a good thing that the FCC is finally doing something about this and are actually questioning Verizon's shady business practices.

I heard an interesting rumor today reguarding the sales for the next Iphone. Not sure how true it is but, it makes sense the thought was that Apple would mimic Googles nexus one sales model, and sell the phones unlocked directly from Apple. It doesn't sound like something apple would do but, given some of the purchases they have made lately it sort of could make sense.

yeah i hear about this but it's only going to be about $2-5 refund per customer

Interesting. I know that they will start selling to verizon but with most carriers comming out with smart phone, Apple will make more money and drive up shares with an open market. They just lose the exclusive deal with At&t.

I'm just glad to hear that the FCC is still investigating their practices.  I hope they nail those fuckers to the wall when they catch them with all the shit they pull with their customers.  Being a customer for the past 10 years, I guarantee that their "policies" have changed to benefit them and screw their customers.

I still don't believe the I phone is going to Verizon at any point in time... It's been rumored for years, and hasn't happened yet i'm not sure its going to.

I believe that Verizon has been blowing smoke up their customer's asses about it to try and retain their business.  Shady practices with those motherfuckers.

Not sure if you read The Wall Street Journal or not, but they had an article on the front page about Apple readying the iPhone for Verizon last Thursday. I'm not sure if I still have the article or not. They said that AT&T is loosing their lock in the iPhone and the Verizon iPhone will be for sale in the 1st quarter of next year. They expect it to add 10 million iPhone customers. A really impressive number they released was that Android users jumped from about 900,000 to 11 million in a year, but that Apple intends to sell 40 million iPhones this year.

I'm going to wait this one out.  I'm content with my current phone. 

I'm very happy with Android... Can't wait to see how Verizon ruins the Iphone lol. They really tend to fuck shit up.

Haha! They also talked about Verizon network quality and how they were going to have to bulk it up to handle the "data hungry" iPhones.

They will end up loading it with bloatware like everything else. They have a great network but, there business ethics are questionable at best, and at they end of the day they are all about the money. I mean they are refunding $50 million dollar of "mystery charges" and they are not being charged with a fucking crime!

The FCC investigation is still pending Mike.  They haven't dropped the investigation yet. 

I'd hope Apple wouldn't allow them to put any "bloatware" on it, but who knows. I don't have a clue what it is but it sounds bad! What exactly is bloatware?

It's Verizon shit they put on your phone, and you have no way to remove it without hacking your phone. Stuff like Verizon VZ Navigator (a paid subscription is required for verizon maps, whereas google maps is free. WTF) and a bunch of other shit that I can't remember at the moment.

That's gay. I know my Black Jack had a bunch of pointless apps on it that I couldn't delete. I guess that was bloatware.

But as long as you root your phone (or jailbreak for the iPhone... I'm not sure if that will let you remove bloatware) you'll be fine.

Thats basically bloatware. I'm sure verizon will stick it all over the iphone. Most companies buy the hardware, and software (actual code) modify said code to include there shit, and then sell it to the consumer. Of course removing such code voids your warranty.

As exclusive as Apple is with their software, I just honestly don't see them allowing Verizon to do that. I assume a Droid phone on AT&T has the same bloatware, but it's nowhere to be found on the iPhone.

Verizon wasn't allowed to touch the Droid 1 actually.. you could download verizon bloatware, but it wasn't installed by default.  From the start, it was barebones android.

just saw that the Nexus One got FM radio.. too bad no one really listens to FM radio anymore..

Bill I promise you it's coming to the iphone. It's the new way to make money. Verizon is fine without the Iphone as much as you don't want to admit it I'd venture to say this endeavor (contract I assume) is largely in Verizons favor. Bloatware is a way for companies to make money they are doing everything they can at this point! I hope the I phone goes to all carriers the better they do the more driven it's competitors are to compete its a win win in my eyes. 

I honestly don't care what Verizon does to the iPhone as long as it never affects mine. I'd prefer they don't fuck it up, but like I said as long as it doesn't affect me.

I have a feeling future Iphones might catch the bloatware. If your competitor is doing and making money why shouldn't you. I don't agree with the idea but, I could see it happening.

New homescreen:

(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3737/cap201010140046.jpg)

jeff.. not going to lie, my homescreen is nearly identical to yours.. beautiful widgets flip clock with the weather in the middle, battery gauge in the middle with the same color scheme, camera on the left.. and then I switch it up, no video button, I swapped that for my Google Nav.  Oh, how'd you get that red bar over your dock?

I want that.  I need to take more time to mod my phone. 

^ have you installed launcher pro plus yet Tim?

Haha nice. As for the red bar, that's a dock background for LauncherPro. The specific one is here

http://launcherpro.droidicon.com/docks/black-glass-red-1242 (http://launcherpro.droidicon.com/docks/black-glass-red-1242)

And for a huge ass list of dock backgrounds, you can go here:

http://launcherpro.droidicon.com/docks (http://launcherpro.droidicon.com/docks)

I need to buy a dock!

holy crap those are awesome!  I will be finding a new dock today!

Question for you guys.. this may be more directed at Mike since he has the equivalent of my phone, Galaxy S Fascinate.  Can anyone sync more than one gmail account's calender?  when I go into the accounts and sync menu, it doesn't give the option to sync my calender with the second gmail account.. and how the hell can I turn off the FB calender? that thing is so fucking annoying, because even if you decline an event/not attend option, it still shows up for some gay ass reason.

The only place I've ever seen anything associated with FB was in the contacts. There is a check box in there that prevents your phone from pulling FB information. I don't know about the second account thing I've always only used one.

it shows up in the calender app, and the calender widget for launcher pro.  I turned off my FB accoutn sync completely, yet they still show up, unless i actually go on to FB and remove all those "events" that I declined from my calender.

I normally wouldn't be using two gmail accounts either, but the fiance and I set up a second one that syncs to both of our phones for the wedding planning and such.  I've been trying to figure out how to sync that calender so that we have it available on both of the phones (we both have fascinates btw)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/15/galaxy-s-android-2-2-froyo-update-begins-to-trickle-out/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/15/galaxy-s-android-2-2-froyo-update-begins-to-trickle-out/)

^Froyo for me, Mike and Tim!! yay! granted we're going to be pretty much last one in line for it.. curses!

brb

About fucking time! Everyone should buy one of these!

http://www.tanga.com/products/andy-nomming-on-apple-t-shirt (http://www.tanga.com/products/andy-nomming-on-apple-t-shirt)

My next phone is a the droid incredible. My friend has it, loves it. Cant wait to dump this BB

I've been pretty happy with the Fascinate.  Mike, if you buy me one, I'll wear it.  A large should fit me fine. 

^glad you're enjoying it Tim, it really is a great phone, and when Froyo finally comes to us here in the States, it'll be even better.

Mike, buy me one too, I'm broke. haha

If I was going to buy one for anyone it would be Bill

T-Mobile pushed an update last night it was an updated kernel and not the Froyo 2.2 I had thought it was going to be. I have to say that it fixed the GPS latency, and the phone is about 5x faster than it was before. I'm even more happy with it now!

For you Android guys, have you ever used Google Latitude? It's a little extreme with the constant updating of your location, but you can make it private. It seems like a cool idea if you're trying to find each other or whatnot.

I use it

mike this one is better
http://www.droidforums.net/gallery/droid-wallpapers/p4695-android-eating-apple.html (http://www.droidforums.net/gallery/droid-wallpapers/p4695-android-eating-apple.html)

I've been using it since I had my blackberry.  I like it for searching for places and addresses, but I also use it for traffic updates when I'm driving. 

That is my background screen

Fuck yeah, I overclocked my phone lol. I've currently got the CPU running at 1.1ghz.  >:D

I'm going to look into rooting my phone and possibly overclocking it some..

just rooted my phone again.. this time installing a new rom..  should have kept it rooted the first time, haha..

Just bought Tapatalk... going to give it a spin for a day to see if I like it. You get 24 hours to get a refund on apps.

Decided to change up my phone a bit.  I'm no longer using beautiful widgets or gauge battery meter.  I went for a more minimalistic approach.  I now have typoclock as my clock widget (i absolutely love the typing on it) and I'm using BattStatt as my battery gauge.  it's the number spelled out. like 65% would be "SixtyFive Percent".  check em out if you like the minimalist approach.  I am however, still using the beatiful widgets 4x1 weather widget.  it's on my calender/notes/to do home screen. and it's skinned with the "minimalist" skin.

all in all, I fell in love with my phone yet again.  Can't wait for Froyo so I can root and get the overclocked kernel they have out now.  clocked to 1200mhz (1.2ghz).  I want.

/nerd

Definitely a nerd Brian.

well aware, and proud  ;D

I got the desk top dock, and love it.

I've been waiting to get that mike. I want two.  one for my bedside table, and one for work.  The girl who sits in the cubicle in front of me has one for her DX and it makes me jealous.

I just downloaded BattStatt, and I really like it. I think I'm going to keep it instead of the Gauge battery widget. As far as the TypoClock goes, I just downloaded it, but haven't installed. From the screenshots, it looks just as nice as BattStatt. I'm probably going to stick with Beautiful Widgets, though, lol.

glad you like battstat.  The typo clock goes really well with it. another option is Clockr (i think thats the name of it) it's the time displayed in words just like battstat.  The only downside to the typo clock is that you can't click on it to go to your calender or alarm clock like in beautiful widgets.  and there's really no customization to it.  it's just pretty. hahaha

So I'm re-trying swype for like the third or fourth time now haha. I like it, but it takes awhile for me to get used to. I'll get the hang of it eventually.

I've been using it less... I hit some setting in there by accident and it started making crazy words lol

I use it a lot actually.  I kinda like it, but it sucks when I have to "fix" words. 

I hate it when your thumb skids across the screen, so it just fucks everything up lol

This is going to sound crazy.. I use a screen protector on my phone and got opti seal on it. No how you fingers always stick when you using swipe with a screen protector... Well Opti seal fixes that.

That's crazy.

Smooth as a strippers ass now

I wouldn't take you for a guy that likes strippers.  

Surprise lol

You're not too far from the Foxy Lady, right?  That's a classy joint.

There is a place called the doll house a minute and a half from my house that is classy also. Maybe I enjoy these establishment because I've never gone to any other than those two (Foxy and Dollhouse). I couldn't deal with a shit hole lol

Unfortunately, I was encouraged to go to the Foxy Lady for a bachelor party.  That is the only time I've ever gone to a strip joint.  I will never enter another one again.  But back on topic...

This thread has gone to the Droids. Lame.

I took some pics while at the UCF vs. ECU game yesterday. The panorama mode is alright.

(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8056/20101030180602677.jpg)

The stitches don't match up perfectly, but it still looks cool.

There's some ugly fucking people in that pic man.

Ahahahahaha, I didn't even realize that I got that black chick in the shot! It was nasty; she wasn't wearing a bra, so it was just flopping all over the damn place.

I'm not impressed with the picture.  Then again, it's a phone, so I shouldn't expect much.  I'm actually surprised when my phone takes good pictures.

I can't complain about the camera on the fascinate.. sure compared to my dslr it's crap, but it's actually on par with or better than most point and shoot camera's I've used.

pretty sure i killed the iphone. thought it might look good swimming in coke.  needless to say its rice. hopefully the sim card isnt fucked cause a potential job is suppose to be calling this week.

Going to check out the My Touch 4G tonight

iphone lives! one ps3 controller died however.

Ahahaha, has anyone seen the commercial for the MyTouch 4G? It's pretty funny:

T-Mobile myTouch 4G Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JABV8Sez45s#ws)

Now they would really catch everyone's attention if they filmed that commercial with the chick naked.  :quicky:

Phone is lightning fast just need to find a way to procure one.

I dropped my 3G in a drain on my drive way which fully submerged it for more than a few seconds. Never affected it. Kinda crazy.

Hey guys, what kind of car mounts do you use, for those of you who have one? I know Z has a ProClipUSA for his iPhone, which is badass, but holy shit they're expensive. I just want something that puts the phone at not cupholder level, haha.

Well, since you already answered for me, there's no reason for me to post is there? BTW, I love my proclip. Great dock and keeps the phone at a more eyeball friendly level. That, coupled with my Parrot bluetooth kit makes for a nearly completely hands free phone experience.

i are rooted :) time to start having fun.

I used to use the windshield mount for the Droid.. Now, I use part of that windshield mount (the phone holder part) and connect it to a custom bracket..

The windshield mount is nice..  I used to have it mounted to the lower left corner of the windshield, which worked pretty well..

I rooted my Gf's mytouch 4g is pretty neat but i also had a chance to play with a iphone 4 and jailbroke it kilda liked it more, But only thing thats holding me back from apple now is they have a cap on how much data you can use which i think sucks and a phone should be as good as its network.

This looks very promising. Yet another top notch 4G phone with Android software. Not to mention that they have already developed 2.3 (Gingerbread) which will be shipped on this device.

http://www.google.com/phone/detail/nexus-s (http://www.google.com/phone/detail/nexus-s)

Well, the sleep button on my iPhone is stuck. I have researched it a little bit on the internet and Apple will replace the phone under warranty. BUT, my screen is cracked. It has been cracked for a few weeks now and this button got stuck yesterday. You can see the point of impact on my phone is on the bottom so I think it is clear they are unrelated. I'm going to take it to the Apple store tomorrow hoping I'll get it replaced but I guess we will see. Do you guys think the cracked screen will void the warranty?

I'm not an Apple employee, so I wouldn't know.  You'd probably get a better answer if you contacted Apple directly. 

^what he said..  but I can't imagine dropping your phone voids a warranty.. that's typical wear and tear.  however, I'm not an aficionado on apple's policies.

in reference to Mike's post about the Nexus S.  I'm excited for the phone to come out mainly because of the similarities it has with the galaxy s line.  I'm hoping that some of the system is written close enough to the fascinate that the dev's can find a way to rip that code and port it to the galaxy S line.  otherwise, I have a feeling Samsung is pretty much giving up on updating our phones (sooo pissed by this btw).  I'm not really too optimistic about the Nexus actually being able to help the dev of the fascinate though, just hopeful.

I can't believe that Motorola/Verizon has already stated the Droid X's end of life at March 2011. That's not that far away. I'm hoping that Motorola at least works on getting Gingerbread on the DX, that would be pretty sweet. If not, oh well. Froyo is pretty awesome, too, haha.

The Galaxy S won't see much more than Froyo. It's obvious way it isn't here yet there are only so many available resources, and they were probably all focused on the Nexus S

I think that manufacturers are "Creating" more fragmentation because it causes them to sell more phones.. since people want the best out there, and they won't update the phones they already have out.. then they create a new phone with the new software that people will have to buy again 6 months later.  It's a downfall to android's platform, but to me, the pro's outweigh that by a ton.

I don't know they have upgraded most of the hardware. Alot of deveices from what I heard are not going to meet the software requirements for 2.3

Yay.  Planned obsolescence!  Make it so it's outdated and want to buy another one instead of being able to upgrade what you have.  Fucking consumer whores. 

All companies do it! Someone told me the I phone for was made with quality materials? Broken screens, and broken buttons already?

Developers are already starting to port Gingerbread to devices via the Gingerbread SDK..  Talk about quick work, lol..

I heard this was a rumor, that gingerbread doesn't actually need that "1ghz" processor as the claims say.. not that I'm worried considering the SGS phones have pretty much the top of the line hardware out there.


yeah those guys on xda and in the IRC channels are insane.  they haven't gotten a successful port to 2.3 yet though.. it's on phones, just really choppy and unusable.

It might not need a 1 GHZ processor but, generally you don't need what they tell you to run something you need it to run it smoothly. Just like if you over clock your phone to far it slows down and starts freezing.

There's really no point in me saying anything regarding the Samsung phones because you guys already said it. As for "quality materials" no phone is. All screens crack and buttons fuck up if you drop them and gorilla mash buttons. My phone is going on 2 years with no problems and hacked since day one.

Sumsung is probably the top of the line for current Andriod devices. Being choosen as the Hardware for Googles flagship phone could be a big deal for them as a company and really push them forward.

Whoo! I went to the Apple Store last night. They told me I needed to have a schedule at the Genius Bar, so I made an appointment for 7:45 tonight. Went it, they agreed it was a problem and gave me a new phone for free. He said he would disregard the cracked screen and not void the warranty even though it had "cosmetic damage" which in the warranty contract voids it. I was out at 7:53. I couldn't be happier with the situation or Apple as a company.

I'd still rather have the 3GS over the 4 but that's just me. Its okay. That'll happen either the day I fly in or the following day. 3 days bitches!

Eh, I have had both for at least 6 months and I see no reason I would ever want to go back to the 3GS. The ONLY advantage I see to the 3GS is that it cost $100 less.

I think I have found a way to get my hands on the Nexus S! The best cell phone on the market!!!! :)

not true mike. nokia 2110. BOOYAH!

Well, I found out that if the Droid X doesn't officially get Gingerbread, ROM developers are going to try to port parts of it to the phone. That's better than nothing!

I also purchased an extended 1840mAh battery for my phone... I haven't started using it yet, because I'm waiting on the extended battery cover to come in. The 30% increase in battery life should help my power hungry phone live longer haha.

They're pretty much the same damn thing with a different case. The only thing the 4 has over it is more pixels per inch, a forward facing camera, and that's it. Wooptidoo. I'm not sold on spending the extra coin.

Dumbass!

The processor is the main thing. It has the A4 processor. It is a lot faster. You wouldn't think the case or screen is a big deal until you grow accustomed to the 4. The 3GS feels really cheap. If you are looking to replace you 3G I really would get the 4 and keep it for a couple of weeks. If you aren't impressed with, take it back and get the 3GS.

Well, considering I have a boatload of accessories for my 3G that'll transfer over to the 3GS, I don't see the point of replacing all of them for the 4. Most notably, my vehicle dock. Not cheap to replace.

Finally an I phone that I like... I might buy this!

http://providence.craigslist.org/ele/2108690668.html (http://providence.craigslist.org/ele/2108690668.html)

haha mike.  Too bad android can't run properly on an iphone due to only having ONE button.

My Driod X just downloaded 2.3v by itself. I'm assuming thats a good thing? A few things look different on it.

Some of you techies pipe in..what'd I just get?

I wasn't aware that moto had pushed out gingerbread yet... go to your settings, then scroll to the bottom, and click "about Phone" then under "firmware version" it should say 2.3 if it's gingerbread.. and if so, I hate you.

It's just the system version. The newest one is 2.3.340. There were a lot of fixes in it. We're still on Froyo 2.2.1.

ok that's what I figured it was.. I knew you had an update coming.. but Jer saying that it was 2.3 threw me off..  I have an unreleased update on my fascinate ;D hello faster gps lock and thank you xda.

So my Droid X just got the new Google Maps update... it's pretty awesome. 3D maps + offline caching FTMFW!

me too jeff, it's pretty effing awesome!

What's the opinion on the nexsus s? The review I read on the NY times talks about it being bulky, plastic instead of glass like the iPhone and a bad camera.

The nexus S has no SD card slot and feels cheap cam does suck compair to others. the only good thing is battery life is good and 2.3 is google sock rom with out the bluk carriers adds so its quick and responsive

My contract is up with AT&T in 3 months. So tired of their shitty service. Just looking at the other smartphones that are out there.

I've been fairly happy with my Samsung Fascinate.  It's not perfect, but it's better than any phone I've had in the past 4 years.

Don't trust reviews. Go pick one up and try it for yourself. You get a periord of time in which you can return it.

If you're switching carriers I'd make sure that you have good coverage in your area, especially if you're considering t-mobile or sprint with their "4g" networks.

as far as phones go, mike said it, pick one up and go through all the menus and learn the operating systems and find out what suits you best.  Reading reviews is a good idea, but until you have played with the phone yourself, you'll never know what is best for your lifestyle.

I have the Samsung Fascinate (Verizon) like Tim.  I love the phone.  I love it more ever since I've gained root access and have been toying around with the innerworkings of the operating system.  Right now, IMHO, the Fascinate and the Droid Incredible (HTC) are the best two phones on VZW.  Mind you they are both full touch screen with no keyboard.

However, they've been trying to unload their stock of phones (with buy one get one free deals and such), which generally means they're trying to free up space for some new "latest and greatest" smartphones.  Keep in mind that both of those phones I mentioned above have been out for awhile, and will probably be replaced soon.

It seems like the time a phone is "new" is now only a period of about 90 days.  I'm happy with my phone and won't fall into the hype all these companies are creating to generate sales.

I agree with you Tim.  My phones turned into my old accord.  When I sold it I had nothing to mod anymore.. now I have a cell phone that is completely moddable, and that's where my interests have turned. clearly theres a big difference.. I'm not spending money on parts anymore. haha.

I have the same phone on T-Mobile, and I'm pretty happy. I love the Android OS, and there are only more great things to come from it. This whole smart phone thing is just starting to hear up. As far as reviews I tend to put more stock into consumer reports, and stuff out of non major publications. It's to often that a large news paper/magazine is giving something a sub par review because they are in business with another company. The Media in this country is almost as crooked as the government. It's best to check out these products in person, and most companies give you a period of time in which to do so at no cost (or the prorated cost of the plan your using).

I'm thinking of switching carriers when I get back and was eyeing the motorola i1 on sprint's network. The plans are better and cheaper than what I currently have and I want to get out of iPhone. I'm tired of it especially after the latest update.

I'm switching to t-mobile in a couple of months.

Motorola will be a HUGE mistake.  All of their products are junk.

Tmobile good i like there speeds as for people with iphone and att they always seem to get my text's late

Really? I know about your experience with them but this phone I'm eyeing is supposed to be the "tough" smart phone with the android OS and the only one capable of PTT which catches my attention due to my family (some of them) having PTT. Besides, each Motorola phone I've had before with nextel worked just fine. I just don't have the experience with the android OS and this particular phone.

I have never had one Motorola product that worked properly or didn't break in a few months.  My opinion of that company is that EVERYTHING they make is complete garbage and isn't even worth the materials it's made of. 

So far I've been very pleased with my Droid X, but we'll see if it holds up in the future.

Also, I've got a new screen setup, sort of. I upgraded to a ROM that uses a Gingerbread theme, so I had to switch to green to sport the look. :P

(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8809/cap201012261300.jpg)

Edit: Jeremy, how do you like your DX? Do you use any cases or screen protectors on it?

are you referring to the Motorola "Defy"?  it got decent reviews.. but i'm with tim on motorola.  plus the UI that moto put on android (Blur) is horrid and slows android down a ton.

I don't know if it's the Defy. I spotted it on Sprint's site and was curious. It's not something I plan on doing until I come back anyway. I'm just tired of being locked into my iPhone because of the data plan. At&t's service has gone down over the time I've had them and this latest experience with turning my phone back on has been a pain in the dick.

That really sucks man.  I guess AT&T is getting too big for their britches. 

My girlfriend has a 3G AT&T dumbphone, and she ALWAYS has no signal whenever we're in a large building, and I always have at least 2 out of 4 stars.

Verizon > AT&T
 :P

It depends on the area too Jeff. 

I betting on drones of people are going to be leaving AT&T and switching to Verizon once they start selling the iPhone.  Hopefully freeing up some of AT&T's network.

Verizon customer service is awful... This verizon I phone venture is going to be fun to watch...

I must agree with Mike.  I've had horrible customer service experiences in the past 10 years that I've been a Verizon customer. 

They all suck elephant cock.  Whoever you go with you end up getting fucked up the ass with no lube. (NO HOMO!!!)

Over clocked and running 2.2 on the galaxy s as if this am....

Messed with my buddy's Samsung Epic last night. I'm fucking sold.

Z, you'll love any top-tier android powered phone. I've become such a Google fanwhore since I got my phone. Just the fact that (almost) everything is open source and modifiable makes it so much more fun to customize. You can't load up custom ROMs on the iPhone, haha. You just have to be smart about what you're fiddling with and read up a lot on the forums.

Stop reminding me!

Haha! Don't worry Jeff. I make sure to read up plenty on shit I don't understand. The fact that the Droids are open source, Sprint is cheaper, and my last experience with signal dropping to almost nil and the customer service I received over the phone is just adding more reasons to make me switch. My buddy with the Epic is paying about $90 a month for almost unlimited everything. The minutes that are on his plan are for calling landlines but who really still uses those?

+1 on what Z said, except I'm not going back to sprint. I've had and experiences with them. I'm probably gonna end up switching to T-Mobile.

T-Mobile has been great to me. We have 2 lines with unlimted everything, and I pay about $140 a month.

Fuck yeah, I just hacked my phone to disable any data throttling that Verizon does on their phones. Basically, if you go over 5gb of data during a month (despite the fact that your plan is unlimited), Verizon throttles your data connection, and makes things unbearably slow, or if you download large files, they throttle that too. Now, I haven't gone over 5gb yet, but I'm sure that disabling the throttling will help sooner or later. Some people nearly doubled their download rate after disabling it.

how's that done jeff? obviously, it's not a transferrable hack to other phones, but just curious as to how you can bypass something like that?

I've had Sprint before and switched out because of coverage when I was in Cali. In retrospect, I should have never made the switch. I never had a problem with the service aside from the coverage in cow country NorCal but that was only at the base and 4 years ago. They've done nothing but improve since.

Actually, it can more than likely be done on your phone to. Just make sure to back it up beforehand. In /system/framework/services.jar, there is a classes.dex file that you need to decompile. In the file, you'll file 7 throttling files that you simply delete. After that, you just recompile the classes.dex back, then put it back services.jar, then push it back to your phone.

did you actually edit the file yourself or is there a CWM flash available for your phone?

My alarm still isnt working. Stupid iPhone!

I edited the file myself. If you can pull the services.jar file from you phone, I could probably create a CWM flash for you. I'd just have to figure out how to make those patches lol

And that's why I'm leaving the damn thing and going Droid.

I'll play around in root explorer when I get a chance and locate the file.  I dont think I've been throttled by vzw, but it'd be nice to have a safe guard lol.

Wondering why the nexus S lacks a memory card slot? At first I thought it was to curb rooting and such but, it's a "developer" phone so I'm pretty sure you can have your way with it out of the box.

i was wondering the same thing.. it's odd to have a top tier developer phone without expandable memory, especially after windows phone 7 just took a hit due to the OS being on the SD card for those phones.

16Gb internal memory is enough but, I don't really get it anyway.

Not to mention the fact that expandable memory was something that almost every other smartphone had over the iPhone.

ehhh, it can be.. it depends on your use.  I use my phone as a music player/ipod at work since my ipod took a shit a couple months ago and I don't feel like replacing it.. but my phone can't hold all of my music, so it makes syncing it with double twist wifi a pain.  so I do need a bit more external memory for what my uses demand.

My alarm works again.

Its still an iphone.

Mike, stop posting under Z's name..   ;D

Ha! Its definitely not Mike posting as me but I'm sure you already knew that.

The man is coming to the darkside, and I dont blame him.

I can't wait to see what's going to be out in three months when my contract is up. I'm going to keep my iPhone and use it like an iPod touch till It craps out. Which should be about the same time.

Not only am I going to the darkside, I'm doing a full blown switch. AT&T and Apple can suck on my left fucking nut.

as long as you're bringing tits and blow I could care less  8-)

I don't think the wifey would be too happy about me bringing either of those items to the carrier/ phone switch party. Maybe I just won't invite her. Hmmm...

I'm there with you Z!

just because it's big news (good and bad) for all parties.. iphone4 is now available on Verizon.

It still gonna blow.  2 more months and I'm done with this very expensive paper weight.

I'm going to wait and see what happens with the iPhone.  I've been getting free phones from Verizon for the past few years because BlackBerry just can't seem to get it right.  I've been very happy with my Samsung Fascinate since I've had it.  There have been a few minor quirks, but nothing major.  I can't deny the fact that I'd like to check out the iPhone and compare it to my current phone.

I'd stick with what you have.

So would I. And I have the iPhone.

i have iPhone 4. i used to have the nokia N95.

I'm just going to look at the iPhone on Verizon.  I'm not going to get it.  I just got this phone.  I may replace Robyn's HackBerry with the iPhone and see how she likes it.

I can see their network sagging a little because of the I phone to be honest.

I kind of want to switch to Verizon when it becomes available. The mobile hotspot for 5 devices on the iPhone is nice and gameday service here sucks.

Here's my opinion on it.  The iPhone 4 is going to be available on the verizon network in February.  Historically, Apple has released new iPhones in June, so there's a possibility that 4 months down the road, you're going to have an old version of a phone.  Secondly, you can't surf the web and be on a phone call at the same time, so there's a downside to that as well.  Some people have never used it, but I have.  I've looked up an address while on a phone call a couple of times and actually have checked movie times like the commercial does.  Also, it only runs on Verizons 3G network not it's LTE network.  They offer like 5 or 6 other funs that use the much faster LTE network, why offer only this on the "New to Verizon but Old to the rest of the world" iPhone?  My bet is that the AT&T version of the iphone will be able to do the HotSpot feature on the next software update.  My suggestion is, if you really are planning to get a Verizon iPhone, wait till June.  At least by that point you'll have sort of an idea of how their 3G network is holding up to the extra usage and if anything, they might even offer the LTE iPhone.  Just my 2 cents.

^^ Verizon's LTE rates are pretty pricey though!

True but we're still talking about the iphone. Fuck that noise. Wow. I just realized that my postings for today are pretty damn negative.

I really doubt Verizon's network will sag from the new iphone users for a few reasons.. the tech that VZW uses doesn't allow simultaneous voice/data (which is a huge reason why att's network lags so much).. the two go through separate channels which is why you can't use them at the same time.  secondly, VZW has been preparing for this for 2 years.  Just yesterday they turned on 6 more towers in the NYC area.  They can handle a hell of a lot more than att.  Not to mention, VZW already uses more data than ATT thanks to the millions of android phones that are active on the network.  I really don't think there's going to be some huge wave of people leaving att for vzw just for the iphone4. and the exisiting customers who will switch to an iphone4 probably already have a smartphone (be it blackberry or android) so they'll still be consuming the same amount of data.

next.  IMHO the iphone that is released in june will not have LTE capabilities.  it will more than likely just be a refresh of the iphone4 that is out now.  Historically, apple does not jump into new tech waters right away.  also, what would be the point of an LTE iphone just yet.. the service is only available in limited locations. i don't think apple won't jump into the LTE bandwagon until 2012's new iphone, when the 4g coverage is a bit stronger and customer base has risen.

oh, and bill, the wifi hotspot feature will be available to the att iphone4 as soon as they release the next update.  the cdma iphone4 has iOS 4.2.5, which correct me if I'm wrong, is a step up from what your's has.

cliff notes:

1. Vzw's network won't sag due to different network technology

2. June's iPhone4 refresh won't have LTE

3. wifi hotspot feature will be available to ATT customers with next OS update.

Agreed.

Its still an iphone though. Personally, the updates to the iphone since the 3g were not that big a deal. Hell, the last update lagged the shit out of my phone and I had to downgrade back to the OS I had before I left. I still think Steve Jobs can suck on my left nut. After the last couple of years of owning an Apple product, I'm far from impressed. The Droids are serious phones and like was mentioned in previous pages are completely open source, something the iphone has always lacked. Don't even get me started on the rest of Apple's products. That will stay reserved for other threads.

when it comes to t-mobile ill get it other then that i will still wait

In retrospect, I was thinking about this last night over a few beers, and since I'm purchasing that A-Spec interface for my stock radio, I think I'm going to be sticking with an iPhone for a while.  I agree with Clemente though, I'll wait for it to go to T-Mobile.  I could also just use it as an iPod touch too, i think.

Have you guys heard of Lookout Mobile Security? It's pretty sweet. It has an antivirus for checking your installed apps (kind of pointless if you get your apps from the market), contacts backup, and lost phone recovery. It can track it down to like 20m or less, so it's cool if someone steals your phone or something.

Check it out in the market.

I had it on my blackberry it was decent but always running in my background killing my battery

The nice thing about Android is that things running in memory don't use any battery... it's the CPU usage that kills it. With Android, having more memory used up is a good thing, because all of your most used apps are opened back up quickly. Android is totally different than Blackberry and Windows.  :droid:

Yeah its a great feature to have theres also another one called prey which installs and you forget about it and if you ever lose it same thing it will locate it 

I just made the switch to Dolphin Browser Mini. I used to use Dolphin Browser HD, but I never used any of the addons or themes, so I decided to try Mini. Boy is it a lot faster. It's not as feature-filled as HD, obviously, but it loads up in a split second, and pages seem to load a bit faster, too. I think it's the lighter footprint that helps. If you're currently using HD, I'd give Mini a try!

Just figured I'd post about the newly released EVO Shift (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375230,00.asp). Papa Z is intrigued.  :P

Has anyone noticed Verizon's 3G network running a lot slower lately? I've been doing a lot of speed tests with the Speed Test app, and most of the time my ping is ridiculously high at like 999ms, and my DL and UL are at like 100kbps and 200kbps. Sometimes it's even lower.

You think it's the consequences of having the iphone?  Already???

Actually, it's been happening about 2 weeks before. I know Verizon stated that they're going to throttle us to accommodate for the addition of 3G users, but that was only for people who use more than 5gb a month. I have no clue.

I don't know then.  I've read reports stating that AT&T data service is faster than Verizon's, but that's all I know.

AT&T is faster.. VZW's network has never been really fast, but Jeff those speeds are really slow.. when I get home tonight I'll run a speedtest and see what I get, I get horrible service at work so I can't really test it right now for you with a real speed.

Fuck both providers with Nelson's cock. I'll be so happy to be done with AT&T when I get home and Verizon can suck my left nut. I'm still wondering about that EVO Shift though. Thoughts?

Z, the shift is basically the EVO with a keyboard.. It's nice, but by the time you get back from sandland there will be dual core phones and other better phones available.  I take it you're plan is to switch to Sprint?