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Ok so who out there has/knows about firearms?  There is a big convention coming up this weekend out side of Philly.  I have a hand gun, and have grown up with them my whole life.  I want to get a couple of specific's though:

M1 Garand WW2

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Mauser WW1 http://www.abwehr-us.org/Mauser_98k_03.jpg
M1944 Mosin-Nagant http://www.abwehr-us.org/M1944%20Mosin%20Carbine.jpg
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These a few rifles are probably some of the best (battle) rifles ever made.  They are also very collectable.  But I plan on using mine...that is when I get them.  These weapons are also off the "radar" of the gov't list of "assult" rifles.

Talk to JT and Skippy.  They are knowledgeable about firearms.  I lost the right to bear arms, so I'm not into guns.

You felon!  I got a buddy who got busted with weed...with intent to distribute...and now he cannot either.

The M1 is one of my favorites. A m1 in that condition that is not a reproduction would sell for a pretty good bit. If you buy an original M1 and plan on taking it out shooting it(while It would be a great joy) would not be a wise decision. It is best to keep something like that in a safe or collectors case. If you just want a reproduction rifle that you can(with less worry) do as you please, Springfield armory has a whole line of M1 reproduction rifles and a few "modernized" versions. I personally was excited and am anxious for my tax money to get here so i can purchase the newest addition to the springfield XDm line which is the XDm in a 3.8" barrel .40cal for conceal carry

I saw that in the latest edition of American Rifleman...I like the the Walther PK380 better though, and it is more likely to fit my hands...I have bear paws for hands... i.e. my wedding ring is size 13 and it's tight!   My Dad and Stepmom both got the Ruger LCP and they love them.

I want to get one of the Springfield reconditioned ones, like the one in the pic...all in all its basically a brand new gun.  I believe that SA MFG'd them originally as well didn't they?

Hey guys. My dad has a shitload of guns, and I don't know what to do with them. I was thinking about keeping this shotgun that his dad gave him, then also keeping one of the handguns for personal defense. However, from what I understand, I have to be 21 in order to be able to own a handgun. He has a .357 magnum, a revolver, a Buschmaster assault rifle, and some other handguns that I can't remember right now.

Do you guys have any suggestions on what kind of gun I should keep for self defense at the house? I know it'll be hard to say without having me post all the details, but I'll post back with more information whenever I get it. I remember him showing me this huge ass handgun (possibly the .357 mag?) all shiny with a huge ass scope on it, lol. I think he said it's more for hunting.

Jeff, if you are now in possession of the guns that your father had, for whatever reason.  Hold on to them ALL.  It is your constitutional right to have each and every one of those guns, and it is unconstitutional to put an age requirement on them...the 14 year old "men" fighting in the revolutionary war were "old" enough to use them, so are you.  In uncertian times like we are facing now, you never know what will happen, whether it be next week, next month, or even tomorrow!  IN the event of a crisis, local or global, the only thing we can do is be prepared, be that with firearms, food, water, supplies, etc...if it comes to a point where people cant get any of the aformentioned items, they will try to take them from you, and hurt and/or kill you and/or your family for those items if they think it's necessary.  

Learn about each gun you have, and learn how to use them and take care of them.  Stock up on ammo, the more you buy now, the more you will save down the road...ammo has gone up dramatically ever since Clinton was in office...his administration destroyed MILLIONS of firearms, most of which were of american historical nature like the Springfield M14 rifle http://www.abwehr-us.org/U.S._M14-12.jpg.  

Here is a primitive, but good site that I found just last night.  It is a good source of firearms and some of their history, and is the basis on which I started this thread: http://www.abwehr-us.org/The%20Arms%20Forum.htm

Good luck, value your freedom, and GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Ok, here's a little update on what all my dad had. Starting with the smallest, was some cheapo tiny gun. Gonna get rid of that because it's worthless and unreliable. Next up is a Colt .357 magnum "King Cobra". All I know is that it's a discontinued collector's item, and that my dad loved it. I'm going to keep it. Next is a Smith and Wesson .44 magnum with a scope on it. May sell it because it's pretty darn big. Better suited for hunting probably. After that, there's a Bushmaster AR15 semi-auto assault rifle. Going to sell this too because of the impracticality. So in the end, I'll have the King Cobra and the family shotgun. Any thoughts?

The AR15 is a sweet gun. I would keep that to mess around with.

Specifics on the little crappy gun...
You better fucking keep that AR!  It is badass and a lot more practical than you think...I wish Z would chime in on this one.  A buddy of mine is in the ARMY and does special ops training and shit, but he doesn't see action anymore cause they send him all around to do training..."I bought one when I got home, cause I carried it around for so long over there, that I didn't feel comfortable with out it!"  this is because it's reliable, higly MODABLE, and extremely versitle and practical.  The 44 Mag is the one that "Dirty Harry" used...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnMLGkj91Og andthe original http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u8V3xqArHo&NR=1  if you haven't seen these scenes/movies, than you haven't lived.

I can't remember what the small gun was, but a friend of ours who's into guns said that it's not worth keeping it. Also, the problem with keeping an AR around the house is that I'm going off to college in a couple months, and I'm obviously not allowed to have weapons on campus. If I did keep the guns, I'd be the only person in my family willing to learn about them. My mom and my stepdad hate weapons, plus I have two sisters, so I'd rather not have problems. It's all so very hard to think about, because on one token, I want to keep all the guns, but on the other token there's a line that should be drawn. I think if I kept the King Cobra, it'd be easier for me to hide from my family so they don't touch it. Plus, this isn't my house, and my mom would kill me if I had all those weapons stashed everywhere.

Like Mark said, keep the AR15. You'd be an asshole if you sold it. Mark is absolutely right as far as the modability, reliability, and overall accuracy that weapon has. I believe it is a title 10(?) weapon meaning you have to have some sort of documentation from the ATF to own the weapon legally. I could be wrong about that. Each gun you named Jeff is keepable. Do not get rid of any of them because you are basically equipping someone else with something that could potentially harm you. If you do plan on getting rid of a small, unreliable weapon, destroy it instead of selling it.

If you don't have one already buy a gun safe.  you can keep it in a closet out of sight...out of sight, out of mind.  Don't lie about it to you mom and step father though...let them know that they are there, but that they are locked up and untouchable.  you can buy a decent gun safe for a couple hundrend bucks.  you don't need anything big and fancy.  you might even be able to fit them all in to a fire box, the AR15 would have to broken down though.   Also, if I were you, I wouldn't go letting anyone or especially any Gov't offices know about the weapons.  You may need to have a firearms card though, other wise you won't be able to buy ammo...but if were my, I'd play dumb...Your dad gave them to you, you put them in a safe and haven't thought of them since.

Its been a minute since this thread has been bumped and I decided to do just that. I've been considering different options for concealed carry and want to hear people's opinions. I'm not a fan of 1911's so don't suggest them. I'm looking for lightweight enough to carry in the small of my back or on the side. I don't want a bitch gun either (pocket pistols). I'm looking for something between sub compact and compact. Not interested in full size hand guns. Remember, this is a concealed carry I'm looking for and a full size makes it a bit more difficult and also weighs more. Thoughts?

I would recommend the springfield xd3 in a .40 cal or if you really want a mangun, check into the glock 36( I think)

.45 in such a small frame? I wouldn't run that high a caliber in anything smaller than a Glock 38 but that's not a .45 auto round anyway.

What do you guys think about a Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry .45? I want one for my 21st birthday.

Short barreled 1911? Not a bad choice especially considering its a Kimber. Shot it before?

As for my inquiry, I've shot and carried the Beretta M9 and Sig P226 just for a reference. I like the feel of the Sig but want something different from what I carry. What's you guys' take on the FMK 9C1? The company's fairly new to the game but have gotten gun of the month awards from multiple magazines if it makes any difference.

I haven't. I started liking it because of the way it looked but from all the research I've done it seems like a pretty good gun.

Keep in mind, the recoil out of that sumbitch is going to be more than a standard 1911 at that caliber. Ever shot a short barreled .45?

Haha nope. I have minimal experience with pistols. I have shot them, but not many. I guess I should start shooting some to decide if that's what I really want.

That'd be a good idea.

i have a CZ-75 P01 and highly recommend it to anyone.

I'll check that out.

What do you guys think about a Kimber Ultra CDP II? It is a 9mm with a 3" barrel.
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Less kick and with the right ammo, pretty good stopping power.

I might want to get into the gun game where should I start and what should I expect to pay

Depends on what you want. I started with shotguns because I hunt fowl. Shotguns price range varies. I probably started on a $300 gun now my best shotgun is around $1000. The pistol pictured about is about $1400. What do you want it for?

Basically to sit in my safe unless shit hits the fan

Check out the Taurus Judge.

The Judge is not all that great from what I've heard.  Never shot it, but know a few folks that have em.  I keep a few hand guns around for personal protection and a 12 gauge with an 18" home defense barrel for the heavy lifting (I have a contractor on speed dial just in case I need to use it, lol).  I like to shoot rifles for fun.  .308, .300 win mag, 7mm mag, 45-70, etc...

Why start small, go straight to the big guns.  Get a Barrett and watch everyone run in fear!  I got a chance to shoot one and it's quite the experience (they are made about 5 miles from my house).  At $5 per round, play time gets expensive.  I wouldn't suggest you shoot it without the muzzle brake unless someone is around to help put your shoulder back in its socket.

the barrett is an awesome gun, Mike, I would recommend something like a full size glock, they are a really reliable somewhat cheap gun and very user friendly, if you are going to shoot often, I would recommend a S&W M&P, they are relatively inexpensive these days, I just sold my .45, it was by far one of my favorites that I have owned. Also, I have really enjoyed playing with the sig p220 a lot of the guys I work with carry them and have a tac light on them and they are so well balanced with that light, and it is a cheap kit too, they paid like 200 bucks for their duty holster and tac light together. I like the springfield XD as well. Bill, Kimbers a re great, and like and like z said, the recoil will be hell.

Figured I would give this thread a bump. Here lately a couple of friends and I have been going out to my roommates Pine Tree Farm and shooting. Kinda helps to blow off steam and relieve stress. My roommate has a M4 Carbine and I have shot it a couple of times but here lately I have been shooting it a lot. It really is an amazing gun. I'm thinking about getting one for my birthday. What do you guys think? I don't really know any specifics. I would probably just get a basic AR-15 and go from there. I would probably convert it to shoot a 9mm round because the .223 is so damn expensive it kinda takes the fun out of it.

How the hell does your roommate have an M4 as its a govt./ LE assault rifle only?

I don't ask questions. He has referred to it as both an AR and an M4. I think I have a picture of it. I'll look and you can tell me what it is.

I just googled M4 and if you click the shopping link there are 14 stores that sell it. We are going shooting in a few minutes so I'll get a better picture then.

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they arent illegal you can get pre ban anything..... not hard to find. 1000-1500 and up but easily boughten for  M4 Carbine

True. Its that little selector switch that gives it away though. There's also permits and shit to make it completely legit.

Are there any differences between an AR15 and an M4 other than the fact that an AR15 is single shot only? I'm a noob when it comes to these different model assault rifles that all look the same haha.

That's basically it. The AR is the civilian version of the M4.

So guys, I've been thinking about keeping the AR15 for good (we haven't been trying to sell it, but were going to) and turning it into a HD weapon. I did a little reading online, and people have been replacing the upper receiver with a .50 Beowulf upper. This is supposed to help with overpenetration with the AR15. I would also probably get a flashlight mount or a laser sight.

Keep in mind that I have 0 experience with weapons. One of these days I plan on taking classes and learning.

What do you guys think about the AR15 and getting a start on learning how to shoot? Actually, I stand corrected. I have shot an AR15 before, but I was like 13.

I personally love that rifle, especially considering I use them for work. Accurate as hell, easy to shoot, and configurations are endless. As for HD, you should take a look at the ballistics for the .223 and the 5.56 rounds (they're similar but you'll have a much more luck finding .223). Close range, they suck and won't do very much damage. Keep that in mind. Personally, a good HD would be 18 GA shot. Won't penetrate walls and such so easily and puts a good amount of hurt into what you shoot.

I love it. It is easily the funnest gun I have ever shot. My only problem is that the .223 round gets a little expensive. Especially with a 30 round magazine.

I was reading a little about what caliber round to use for HD, and the .50 Beowulf and the .458 Socom seemed to be the most popular. However, the .50 Beowulf is hard to find and expensive, and I don't think you can use the regular magazine... you only get a 7 round mag that comes with the receiver. It would be damn intimidating though to have a half inch wide barrel pointed at you, haha.

I'm also not sure what the barrel length is on the gun, if that matters. I think it may be a 20" barrel. I figure that shorter is better for close range situations. The AR15 is made by Bushmaster, if that matters.

LOL, I've seen the Beuwolf shot and damn it is loud, but isn't it a much lower velocity round than the std 223. I also have a AR that is setup like a M4 with a red dot 0 mag scope, back in my military days with my M16A1, it was a bad day for anything 300yards and less for me, LOL, especially with the 203 that was strapped on to mine. As far as ammo costs, reloading is your friend if you do alot of shooting, I currently reload my own 9mm and 223. 9mm costs me about $.09 a round for 115 grain FMJ and as for .223 , about $.14 a round for 55grain FMJ. Reloaded ammo is good for target work, but I use something like Win Home Defense in my Kahr CW9 and Sig P226 for carry purposes.

What do you guys think of the Baretta CX4 storm for a fun toy?

I've read some good things about it. I've never fired it though. Looks like a good backup to that Sig you have.

Forgot I started this thread!  Went shooting this week, great fun...my buddy has the Baretta M9...it's ok, but I like my Ruger p95 better (the p89 was actually the first choice instead of the Baretta M9 for military use, but due to political pressure, Baretta won).  While we were there, they had just got an order of S&W M&P .40's....holy shit!  I love that gun...my buddy bought it on the spot.  it was a great deal that he couldn't pass up either..$465!  went to another shop and they were $700.  Came with box, 3 clips, and 3 grips.

Z you should get S&W M&P .40...but the XD line from springfield is a great choice too, esp for CC...not to mention hand guns of the year on a couple models in their class..I think 9mm and .40

I also got to shoot one of the Owners Kimber 1911 .45 acp...and this goes out for Bill...you cannot beat the quality of a Kimber...(Les Baer is also great 1911)  But to put into language that you Bill would understand....Kimber is your Lexus of 1911's...

Mike, you live in Mass, so start at your Police Dept...you live in one of the most difficult (along with NJ, NY, & CA) states to get handguns.  But when you get all the proper forms,  if you are looking just to get something to throw in a safe incase TSHTF...get a Ruger p95.  It cost me <$400 out the door.  It's reliable, light weight, and fun to shoot.  I didn't like it a first, but the more I shoot it, the more I like it.  I would also recommend you and your woman going to a range and getting lessons...SEPERATELY!!!...YOU will NOT be able to teach/help her like one of the range pros...trust me.  If you have any experience, and haven't shot in a while, a brush up with one of the guys wouldn't be a bad idea.  its mandatory that you include her though, for he own safety, especially if she needs to use it when you aren't there...

And last, but most certainly not least, Jeff!!!...glad to hear you aren't getting rid of it...especially after what Z and I already said last year on this...the only other gun that can be modded more than an ar15 is a ruger 1022...and the most popular mod for those???? to make it look like a ar15!  did you get a safe?  I just picked up a double decker, 4 finger push button, key backed up safe for $100...couldn't pass that up, even at retail, thats a great deal!

Z, I'm diggin the 10 ammendments on the barrell!  sounds/looks like a decent piece.  I'm going to look into it more though just cause of the 10 ammendments on it...caught my eye!

Paul, that cx-4 looks like one of the guns from that "Stargate" movie/tv sieres!  should be fun to shoot though...

what do you use for your reloading equipment, lee's???  I might need to come down one weekend and let you work on my car and teach me to reload!

CZ's are ALL great guns from what I've read and heard...and not expensive either

The Bill of Rights is what caught my eye. I'm leaning more towards a Kimber Pro lately. Kimbers are awesome guns and the pro is small enough for CC, its a 1911 (honestly, how can you go wrong with that?), and the options are endless for those things. A buddy of mine has a Kimber pro (back home, obviously) and when we both make it back to Florida, I'm probably going to head up his way to fire off a few rounds to get a feel for it. I believe his is a .45.

Springfield Armory has a new 1911...."the range master"...I want it!

lol i haz m16 Iron sights :/

We use RCBS equipment to reload

Sorry just wanted to clarify this, the AR-15 is actually the civilian version if the m16, Its only semi as compared to ours that have semi and the 3 round burst, Same goes for the M4. Single shot only... The "m4" (really an m16 with shorter barrel n collapsable butt stock) is "civilianified"(single shot) can be bought, there is a pawn shop right outside of fort hood that sells them 850- 1200.

RCBS Progessive setup, I currently have dies for 9mm, .380 Auto, .357, .223, .270 Win, .308 and a set of .45 ACP on backorder.

Um, then why do I carry the M4 with semi and burst modes then? You're absolutely right though. The m4 and m16 are the same fucking thing but with different barrels and different stocks. The receiver is the part that counts.

lol like i said military has burst and semi, the civilian M4 only has semi...its very rare to see a civilian m4 with burst... very rare

Yeah, true. There's all kinds of ATF forms to fill out if you did have a burst m4 and it not be a modded civ version.

Also, the reason I said what I said is because your post came across as the M4 only came in a civilian version not as both civ and mil.

yea you can mod the ar-15s to have a burst mode, but it only be used for military.. thats why i have thought about buying my own.. because i can use it no matter where i go and have to worry about the previous owner...

and yea sorry

"....AR-15 is actually the civilian version if the m16, Its only semi as compared to ours that have semi and the 3 round burst, Same goes for the M4. Single shot only"

meant that to say that the ar-15 for civlian is single shot only, compared to ours that have semi and burst modes, and the same goes for the m4 version, for civilians its single shot where as ours its semi, n burst

oh and lucky you with a damn M4..... ihaz m16a2 with Iron sights... saving moneys for an acog


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thats one thing i love about the military, if you buy a modification for your fire arm you can use it :)

I only get the M4 out here. Once I go back stateside to another tac unit (which isn't happening this next tour or ever for that matter), I'd be using the same rifle you're bitching about. BTW, you know as well as I that ACOG's can get tweaked pretty easy.

yea true, fuck it a red dot sight at least, dont care as log as its not hard ironscopes any more lol...and  hahahaha you get the "musket"

Haha! I just saw this. Thanks bud.

Well, less than a year until I can get a pistol. Still thinking I want a Kimber.

So Jeff did u end up keeping the AR15? I would keep it its a bad ass gun and once its gone its a pain in the ass to get another one.

Just wondering my friend asked me how do you properly dispose of unregistered guns? Her grandfather brought a few guns from Taiwan to the US after the civic war in China (communist vs nationalist). They also have like 6 hands guns 2 shot guns and there were all in cardboard box so her parents freaked out.

lol

Um, get on a boat and float test the guns? How do you know they aren't registered?

cuz they found them in a brown moving box in the garage. And her grandpa also told them they were register since he took them to the US in the 1950's

I swear there's something regarding pre ban weapons but I'm not sure about it.

Ill tell her to look it up. I want a gun from her. lol

bought a new Taurus 9mm PT111pro, (2) 12 round mags, w/  case today :) and its now in the safe until the 29th

Called every place around for a few weeks trying to ding a sig sauer sp2022 in a .40. Finally found and bought it yesterday. Now I gotta find a duty holster for it. And buy some extra mags.

Ok so I gotta share this with everyone! My friend showed me a site called gunbroker.com... I was browsing around today bc I need 4 more mags. I found them at a store for 32. Got on gb found a place had one for 14. Called them and got a bulk discount. Four sig mags for 42 shipped!

I think I need to see if I can legally own a gun.  I kinda want to get some time on the range.

RonJon sold out and discontinued inspyre rims.... I was a little hurt So I bought my first gun for the new year. Sig SP2022 .40 and I love it!

That's a nice gun. A friend of mine has one that I've shot and it had a great feel to it.

I bought a Walther P22 a few weeks ago. Not a bad little gun to have fun with. Plus, because of it being a .22lr it doesn't break the bank to shoot it.

I finally got to shoot my sp2022. I am not sure I like the trigger pull on it. It just seems so long.

picked this bad boy today as my v day gift  8-)
 bought some rounds to stop a home intruder or car thief dead...
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Well, I went and shot my dream gun earlier. It was a .45 1911 Kimber custom shop. Z, you mentioned earlier in the thread about the higher caliber being hell and you couldnt have been more right. I loved the gun itself but shooting a .45 isn't near as much fun as shooting a lesser caliber. With my 21st coming up I'm going to try to find a nice pistol to buy. This is the only picture I managed to get.

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Told ya.

I actually like a .45. But that's just me. Bang for the buck you can't go wrong with a glock.

Bill, at first glance it looked like you were holding that girl hostage, lol. Good to see you back man.

This reminds me of the guns I still have. They're currently being held at a family friend's place, but I kind of want them back. The problem is my step-dad wants nothing to do with them, even though they're completely harmless without ammunition. So they aren't allowed in the house. It's kind of hard to hide an AR-15.

To be honest though, I don't want to touch any of the guns until I've taken the proper classes. It'd be stupid to do it otherwise. I don't want to break a gun lol.

You can take classes from Skippy.

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Anyone recognize this guy?

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Don't take lessons from JT.  :D

Haha, why not?

Haha no. I think I would be in trouble if I were to try. Her gun is a bit bigger. It's good to be back. You need to get those guns out! Especially the AR. I'm convinced there's not a funner gun out there. .223 rounds get expensive though.


I learned to shoot with a 9mm glock. Its a great gun as well. There is just something that sets the Kimber apart that I like. I'll probably end up with a 9mm Kimber.

Because its JT. Duh.

Yeah, I really want to get used to these guns. However, I'm thinking about retiring the Colt King Cobra, because it was my dad's pride and joy. I want to keep in as best condition as possible.

However, I do want to shoot the S&W .44 magnum. It has a fucking scope on it! Not really sure why my dad put one on. It may have been used for hunting.

Lol i dont need lessons..... I have more than enough practice from the army lol

I didn't mean you. Duh.

I've been looking at a kimber myself...  Either a kimber or a sig sauer or Springfield 1911. If I'm not mistaken the sig sauer 1911 won the best modern 1911 award last year for the 100th anniversary guns.com did.

I've been wanting a Kimber 1911 for a while now, so I think I'm finally going to stop being lazy about taking the test for the Handgun Safety Certificate.

I haven't shot one yet; I actually haven't shot a handgun yet at all.  Some friends have offered to teach me the ropes, so I think I'm going to finally take them up on that offer.  A couple of them have even offered to let me try shooting their 1911, so I plan to give it a try and figure out if its something I really want.

I don't know if I'll be getting the 1911 as my first gun as I definitely don't plan to use it as an everyday carry.  I'm looking into possibly getting a 9mm Glock for that.

9mm are for bitches. Just sayin'.

lol..  it's not set in stone.

I just know that I wouldn't want the Kimber 1911 to be the everyday carry. 

First things first, I still need to get my HSC.

none of that... my carry is cz75 compact 9mm.

The gf and I just bought a house and we wanted to purchase a pistol for home protection.  We definitely want to take a class or something so that we can learn how to safely handle it.  Would you suggest purchasing a weapon first and then taking a class or would it be better to take the class first and pick one out after?  She has never fired a gun and I only fired a rifle 10+ years ago once while camping. 


Any suggestions on a cheap noobie pistol?  I don't care it's "for bitches"  or not.  I just want something that is cheap, simple to use, and will work correctly if I ever need it.  I know if I go into a store and ask they will probably try to sell me something expensive that I don't need. 

I knew I'd get somebody on that. lol

ike, my advice would be to go to a range that will let you rent a variety of handguns to try and find one that you like and feel comfortable with. then take the class. as far as safety goes, dont put your finger on the trigger unless you plan on shooting and dont point the gun at someone unless you want to put a hole in them.

z, you can suck it!

 :D

Honestly ike, what Dave said is the best thing you can do. Go to a range, shoot some different guns and whatever feels comfortable is the one you go with. Keep in mind, what ever you can feel comfortable with as well as keep on target is what you want.

So I just passed the Handgun Safety Certificate test with a score of 100%.

I also just purchased a Kimber 1911 Custom II.  These next 10 days are going to feel long!

Anyway, I plan to get a night sight for it.  I also plan to upgrade the MSH.

Anyone have any recommendations on what I should look for?

i own a glock 27 but i would like to try something like a hunting rifle with bolt action any one had experience with one maybe recommendation

You might want to look into a Mosin Nagant. It isn't exactly a hunting rifle but it is a cheap bolt action rifle. They are surplus from eastern Europe (and there are alot of them) and it shoots a 7.62x54r. I picked one up at a gun show in January for $130. You can find them even cheaper online. Ammo is a little hard to find. You can buy a crate of surplus ammo (880 rounds) for about $140. I bought my crate of ammo from Aimsurplus.com but I didn't have to ship it because they are located 30 minutes from my house.

I don't know anything about firearms, but this is the advice I would take if I was interested in getting one.

Aimsurplus.com also sells the Mosin's for like $80...but they have to ship to a FFL dealer though, that fee is usually like $10-15

Well, it's been 10 days ;)

Went to the range earlier with a couple buddies, shot some rounds through the Kimber, and then went back to my buddy's house and spent some time cleaning..

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Alright heres a quick question. What is required for the purchase of a gun?  I was in a store yesterday, and I'm looking for a new hobby I was think of a bow, but, was surprised that a gun is actually in the same price range. Is shooting at the range a good time? I'm just looking for a little stress relief, and something to spend some time doing that isn't work related.

It is quite the stress reliever. Trust me.

Well known fact that shooting holes into anything is a great stress reliever and problem solver.

Shooting at the range is definitely fun.  Sunday was definitely a fun and satisfying day for me.  It definitely took my mind off work, made me focus and concentrate on shooting.  Stress relief is definitely a benefit.

As for purchase requirements, that is dependent on your state.  State laws vary; i.e. in California, to purchase a handgun, you have to pass a test to obtain your Handgun Safety Certificate.  Once you get that, you can purchase a handgun from an FFL dealer.  When you purchase it, there is a 10 day waiting period, which includes a background check, prior to being able to take delivery.  This waiting period may be shorter or non-existent in other states.

It's best to check what your state laws are; you should be able to check your state's DOJ website for info.  They should state what the requirements are for purchasing from an FFL dealer, private party transfers, etc..

new to guns, so forgive me if this is a gat, but looking to buy a 40 glock ? is that the right name? anything i should know? or avoid brands? Ive shot a friends and like it a lot better than a 9mm. so that my reasoning on this type.

Which model? Full size, compact or sub compact? I believe the glock 17 is the full size .40. Don't quote me on that. Honestly, shoot some other guns before making a decision.

Actually it would be the glock 22(.40 cal), if you are referring to the full size.

Alec, What purpose do you want the gun for? If it is just something you are gonna throw in the nightstand as home defense and take it to the range once a month or so, I would certainly recommend the Glock 22. In fact, I am about to either pick one of them up or a Springfield XD as a duty weapon. The reliability of a Glock is unsurpassed. Also, if budget is an issue, A lot of places buy factory glock refurbished Glock 22's. Basically what they do, is they buy duty pistols back from police agencies and put a new spring in them and make sure everything is perfect and sell them to dealers. That in-turn gets you a reduced price(and they generally have night sights).

Now, If you are wanting something you can carry on your person, I would recommend the Springfield XD. It is a little bit smaller and has High capacity mags as well. The springfield is a little bit more slim, which makes it a little bit easier to conceal. The problem with Glock as a carry weapon is its size. Even when you buy a compact or subcompact they are still as wide. The width equates to bulk and bulk leads to people knowing you have something in your waistline(example) that doesnt need to be there.

Thanks, yeah after reading more the glock 220 is what I want. Mostly in the night stand rare occasion go to the woods to shoot. So like most mom and POP gun shops would be able to the refurbished glocks? Or like cabelas?

One of the primary things is to make sure you get enough practice and learn how to use it.  Having it in the nightstand is one thing; knowing how to properly use it is another (hopefully not needing it for but in a defensive situation, especially).

anyone ever used gunbroker.com? curious what your thoughts are?

I love gun broker. You can find awesome deals on stuff on there. You have to pay a dollar to use it though

I've never actually bought anything off gun broker but I frequently search through it. A friend of mine has bought a few things off of there and has not had any problems. There are a lot of good deals on there too.

yea, ive noticed the good deals, i just didnt know how it works are far as having a weapon shipped to a local dealer and whether or not you have to notify them before hand a whatnot.

The way it works is you purchase the firearm, then go to your ffl dealer and notify them and they will give you their price and info to give the seller. You give the seller the info and they will ship it to the dealer who will handle everything else

got it.

Not sure how va does their gun laws but I'm certain it is a lot more hassle than it sounds like.

va is not to bad if you have a concealed weapons permit. then your already verified and can buy as many guns as you want.

Dave, that sounds a lot more simple than TN. I broke down and bought a new glock Monday. Picked up a gen4 glock 22 with night sights.

I want to get myself something but NYC gun laws are insane.

That sucks. Don't y'all have a magazine capacity law?

10 rounds.

That's shitty.

Yeah they are getting mines was a hassle not including you have to go to the range every so often to keep it current but if you want a shot gun is the easiest to get approved  in nyc

That sucks about the 10 round law. If I want to I can own a 35 round .40 cal magazine haha.

CA has the same restriction.

 :D sucks for yal! i love my conservative state, good ole VA loves gun owners.

I think OH has some pretty relaxed gun laws.  I don't own a firearm, so I don't know that much about the laws here.  I do have a few friends that carry and said that the laws here are somewhat relaxed.

Haha Tennessee is an open carry state. But most of the stupid fucks here don't know that so when they see someone in a store or restaurant openly carrying they call the police and say there's a man with a gun at Walmart.

open carry in va too.

While open carry is a privilege, it's fucking retarded.

It is too. Unless you're a cop. I don't want to see it.

After watching the first season and a half of The Walking Dead, I've finally convinced the misses to go in half with me on a handgun. 

What's a good cheap and reliable handgun?  Preferably something with a decent sized magazine.  I don't want to run out of bullets when the undead rise up...  ;D

glocks are extremely reliable and affordable

Alright, it all depends on what you want the gun for, if you want something for "the end of the world" get a .22 caliber gun. Size weight and sound, everything you'll need. .22 caliber ammo is cheap to go out and shoot, in TN you can go buy 100 rds for 10 bucks or less. So you can shoot all day and shoot more often. That means when you do encounter a situation where the use of a firearm is necessary, you're going to be proficient with your weapons system. A lot of people discredit the .22 round as a home defense round but, the small fast round is designed to bounce around off of bones instead of going straight through a body, thus causing more internal damage.

Having said that, my recommendation goes to the Walther P22. It's fun to shoot, very reliable, looks cool, and fits in my hand(I have an average to a little above average hand size med-lrg gloves). A Walther is not the cheapest .22 out there but it's worth the money. A P22 is going to run you about 400 bucks plus your tax and background(varies by location). I'm either buying one of those next or a kit to convert my .40 cal glock 22 into a .22 cal.

He speaks the truth. 22 ammo is stupid cheap and a decent one with a magazine can hold a good number of rounds. Anyone can shoot it because it doesn't have the kick most people don't like about hand guns. Its a win win.

My next gun related purchase after my blackhawk xiphos tac-lite is gonna be a .22 conversion kit for my glock. Srsly, I spend 70 bucks on two hundred rounds of .40 cal

Aside from .50, .40 is up there in cost dude.

Thanks for the suggestions.  Gonna do some shopping around in the next couple weeks.  I never realized how many gun shops there were around my area until I looked them up. 

I would definitely go with a P22. Just for fun.

You ain't kiddin.

I have a P22. Awesome gun. Very fun to shoot. They are a little picky with ammo but I've found that Remington Thunderbolt .22lr runs through it like a champ. Federal and similar cheap ammo seem to jam a little bit but the Thunderbolt ammo is $1 more and doesn't jam at all.

Yeah I've been reading up on them and lots of people complain about it jamming with the cheaper ammo.

Do you guys suggest the 3.42" or 5" barrel?   Looks like it's roughly a $100 difference between the two. 

I have the 3.42" barrel. The 5" is supposedly a lot more accurate but to be honest mine is pretty damn good at 100 yards for a .22 pistol. I put clay pigeons all over the place at the 100 yard range I go to and I can hit them all day long. I liked the shorter barrel over the longer one because it was more compact just in case I wanted to carry it.

If you want the accuracy of the 5" barrel for less money you might want to look at the Ruger 22/45. It doesn't look as good as the P22 but it is way more accurate. A friend of mine has one.

I can hit tight groups at 25 yards with the smaller barrel. With .22 ammo as cheap as it is, I always recommend paying a dollar or two more for decent ammo. It's almost like some rounds of the cheaper ammo do not have enough power behind them to push the slide back all the way.

Yeah, that's exactly what I've noticed too. I think I've put just about every type of .22 ammo you can buy through mine. The Aguila Super Maximum Hyper Velocity (or whatever the fuck its called) shoots pretty well too. Has a little more kick as well.

Seems like half the reviews I read talk about the gun talk about it jamming quite frequently.  I guess my biggest concern is purchasing it in case of an emergency and then having it jam when I need it most.   Although the price of the gun and the price of the ammo are exactly what I was looking for so I might just bite the bullet and take my chances.

All this talk makes me want to get a gun. Unfortunately, we ended up selling my dad's AR15. I was pissed when I found out that it got sold, but if I look at it this way, it got me a semester of college.

I still need to go out and see Skippy to get lessons from him.

Lessons about what Jeff?

Ike, Try to read through all the reviews that say it jams and find if they have what ammo they were running. I think most .22 Pistols come with ammo recommendations. Also, there is a review on youtube by Nutnfancy where he reviews the .22 conversion kit for a glock like mine and he sort of reviews .22 ammo too. It is a lengthy video but well worth watching.

After reading through this http://www.spentbrass.com/pistol/walther/p22/review.php (http://www.spentbrass.com/pistol/walther/p22/review.php) review and the hundreds of user posts at the bottom I think I'm going to stay away from the Walter P22.  

Half of the reviews spoke of constant jamming, regardless of ammo used.

Most importantly, there were several dozen reviews saying that the slide is not only prone to cracking, but that the slide has broken in half while firing and injuring the shooter.  The zinc alloy slide seems to be a real problem with these guns.

I'm going to look into the Ruger 22/45 that was suggested earlier.  Any other .22 suggestions?  Something that can be taken apart and reassembled without tools would be nice.  That's another thing I didn't like about the Walther. 

Skippy is a firearms instructor. I'd rather learn how to shoot/use a gun the right way the first time instead of just picking one up and learning myself. I know there's a lot more to it than just pulling the trigger.

Definitely a person I would recommend going to for instruction.  :thumbsup:

That's cool jeff.

Ike, another great option is the sig sauer mosquito.

Awesome time at the range today with GFs Dad and Brother in law.

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Boys it's like Christmas in December! I got my blackhawk xiphos weapon light in yesterday.
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So I went to the range last week and put 200 rounds through the new glock 22. I shot terribly. I pulled to the left all day long. I'm gonna put a ghost 3.5lb trigger connector in it and see if that doesn't straighten me up. I also ordered an extended mag release. The stock gen4 mag release is to low and I would have had a terrible time tactically reloading.

Update: I just installed the Ghost Trigger connector, The trigger feels pretty good. Gonna take it to the range tomorrow and see how well I shoot this time. It was pretty simple to install. The extended mag release was a pain in the ass until I realized an easier way to hold the spring up to get the mag release in.

I had been planning on getting a mossberg 500 shotgun once I got my tax refund. Fiance surprised me aNd bought it for me. Mostly for home defense but exticed none the less.

I'm pretty set on getting a Glock when I get my tax return this year.  Trying to figure out which model to get though.  Leaning towards the 17 so far...

The 17 is a great gun. Try gunlistings.org and see of people are still price gouging in your area. Or have a friend who is military find a glock LE dealer and get you a much better deal. The glock LE price is 398.20 on lost models.

Almost nothing on that site for MD :(

I'll keep that price in mind as I shop around.  From what I've seen so far, it looks like the 17 runs about $500 in most shops around here.

That's about average For most gun stores. It'll probably only come with 2 magazines though

Traded my glock today. Got a Springfield XD-s. I came out ahead on the trade. It's worth more than I had in the glock

looking for some advice from any knowledgeable AR owners.....I have a complete ar15 lower on the way.  I am planning on building it up to be a dedicated 9mm ar.  What are some good but affordable 9mm uppers and where do you recommend trying to find them other than gunbroker?

Not really sure how your area is , but gunlistings.org may be a good bet.

yea, gunlistings.org doesnt have any good leads but thanks for the suggestion.

That's somewhat of an odd request. Maybe you could browse some of the AR forums

yea, ive been doing some reading on ar15.com but i wanted to ask here since i trust you all's opinions.

Sorry I couldn't be much help man.

My sister-in-law's father passed away last month and left her with dozens of firearms.  She is making me a list of what she has so I can have first pick before they go up for sale.  Looks like I'll be making a purchase soon!  Once I get the list I'll post up a few I'm interested in and maybe you guys can help me figure out a fair price to offer her. 

you should also post a list of all of the guns to see if any of us are interested.  ecm should get a first take!

That brings up a question I had but forgot, how do you go about purchasing a firearm from someone in another state?  I'm assuming they can't be shipped so I'm not sure how it works. 

From what I understand, you'd have to go through a gun broker. I may be wrong.

the firearm would have to be be transferred to a FFL in the buyers home state.

You wouldn't have to go through a ffl depending on the state. I would however just do a detailed bill of sale. It's expensive to ffl

the ffl i use only charges $20.

Say he is buying 5 guns, that's 100 bucks on top of the cost of the firearms. It is It is a felony to sell a firearm to someone from another state without going through a FFL. Not really heavily enforced, unless the ATF is actually looking for it. I've done private party transfers completely lawfully with a bill of sale and never had any issues. In fact, My trade for my XDs, there was no paperwork involved.

Gah! Such a tough choice! There is a sig 226 up for trade. I could offer my XDs and probably get it. But the xds is such a perfect carry gun. But It would be a lot easier on the wallet to shoot the 226 lol

Damn this really blows.  She lives in PA and I'm in MD.  I thought all we had to do was meet at a MD police barracks to have them transferred.   

Like I said, it's not really heavily enforced. I've bought from and sold to my good friend who lives in GA(I live in TN) a few times and never had any issues arise. I've even went to a store with him to purchase a brand new gun for him.

So they shouldn't give us any shit by going to the barracks and having them swapped?   Or is there another way to do it?

That varies from state to state, dave may offer a little more insight. The way it works here is you go to a pawn shop and pay their fee per gun for them to transfer the firearms to your name. Plus there should be a 10 dollar background check as well.

i could honestly care less about going through a ffl with a private seller. i would rather not go through a ffl because i dont want the government in my business anyways but if the seller requires it, no big deal.

That's how I am but he is buying from someone in another state.

AVOID botachtactical.com!!! I placed an order this morning for a magazine for my XDs. folks on XDtalk.com were saying that they are out of stock and back ordered. So I attempted to call them 6 times without a response. Got an email from them asking if they could help me because I had unsuccessfully attempted to contact them. Replied asking if my item was in stock and would ship within a timely manner and told them that I do not mean to rush them but just wanted to make sure I didnt back order something that I could buy from Springfield. Never heard back from them. Checked my order status on their website and it said that my order was cancelled.

I've been hearing about a lot of people having problems with Botach Tactical. I've ordered from them once and didn't have a problem but a buddy of mine has had a couple issues with them. It's a shame too because they usually have decent prices.

Yeah I know their price was too good to be true. It really irritates me that websites are doing this a lot more. I still haven't heard back from their customer service

Anyone know where I can pick up some .30-30?

Alright so in light of recent events I need to do something. What is a decent moderately priced home protection weapon. I'd like to keep it in a normal safe or lock box so not sure a shot gun fits the bill.

Most anything with a 9mm ball or hollow point round will do the job. The ammo is fairly cheap. The biggest thing is how comfortable you feel with the weapon you choose. Hitting a range and trying different weapons is the way to find out. Also, if they'll let you, give yourself scenarios where you would be in close range (25 ft or less) rather than long range shooting like some ranges like to do. If you have indoor ranges near you, find out if they have low light shooting days.

Like Z said, check out your local firing ranges and they will let you rent firearms. Mike, you would probably be well suited with a full frame gun.

full frame?

a full size handgun vs. something that is compact.

Get a Colt Python .357 Magnum.  Make it be heard through out the neighborhood that nobody messes with Mike.

A larger size gun like a glock or Springfield XD. Depending on how much you want to spend and how much you want to go play with it, I would suggest a 1911, but they're pretty expensive

For those of you who purchase ammo regularly, which sizes are easy to find in stock these days? 

Ammo really varies on a few factors. Like:  location, the hoarders in your area, day of the week. Plus, it's whatever the distributors decide to send out. Things are starting to look up and most of the popular calibers are becoming more readily available

So I'm about to purchase my first (and probably only) handgun.  I would like something new and I want to keep it under $600.  My two main requirements are reliability and cost/availability of ammo.  Also, my petite wife has to be able to handle and shoot it.  After doing some research my number one choice seems to be a Glock 19 4th gen.  Anyone have one that can give some insight?  Recommendations for other guns are welcome as well. 

After. My last gen 4 glock 19 I don't really want to own another glock. Glock is very appealing because of it's known reliability and zero break in. Mine was having problems ejecting so I called them and was treated like shit.

Ike, how do you plan to employ the handgun? Strictly home defense, home defense and concealed carry(if applicable in your state), or strictly concealed carry? In your budget, you have a pretty wide range of options. Personally, I would suggest a Smith and Wesson M&P 9c paired with a Comp-tac MTAC holster for deep concealment. The m&p9c is very reliable, about the same dimensions as the glock 19, better trigger(personal preference), and 9mm is very cost effective.

Strictly home defense.  From what I've heard, it is almost impossible to get a concealed carry license in MD.   :(      My wife has expressed a desire to learn to shoot so I'd like something we could both learn on.  I'll definitely take a look at the S&W. 

Depending on the size of her hand, a Springfield XD9 would be another great option. My best suggestion is to find a legal gun range that rents firearms. Find which one fits in both of your hands comfortably, rent a few of them, shoot, and make your decision which one you like best.

Well it's time,  I'm out on my own and I want a handgun.  So I'm treating myself for my birthday. Talked to a friend back home and he made a few suggestions, just looking for something for some range time, not really home defense or looking to carry.

Today I went around and got my hands on a Glock 17 9mm, Springfield XD9 and Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm.  So far the M&P is the front runner.  There is still one that I want to get my hands on before I commit, Walther PPQ.  Everything I've read/watched about it sounds amazing, but it's proving a bit hard to find.  I'm gonna a call Cabela's and see if they have one.  I'm going home for my birthday next week and it's on the way, so fingers crossed.

In that same price range, I really like the fn herstal fnx-9. And the Sig P320(had the best factory trigger of anything I've owned).

Hmm I'll have to check em out.  The trigger is why I want to check out the Walther, nothing but praise from what I've seen.  I stopped by a local shop on Monday and while they didn't have it, they could get it for a pretty good price.  So I'm gonna stop by Cabela's on my way home next week (confirmed 2 in stock), get my hands on it and decide.  They come with a 4" or 5" barrel.  You think an extra inch is worth an extra $100? I hate to admit, the only reason I'm even thinking about the 5" is because it looks badass.  But I don't plan on carrying... so a bigger gun isn't really a problem.

Well... found a shop right down the street that had one... and now I have one. :)

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To answer your barrel question, it's a matter of preference. Yes a longer sight radius makes a gun more accurate, but when it comes down to it, a lot of it is shooter ability. Now that you have one, practice practice practice! A gun you can't hit your target with is just a paper weight.

Already on it!

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Nope lefty.  Am I right to assume for lefties you just reverse that chart?

And $300 Glock?  Nice!

You should just be able to reverse the chart for left handed. It's been a. Police gun it's whole life. Started off with a local department then traded in and bought by a friend of mine who is now switching to something else so he sold it to me for what he had in it. It's not in the best of shape, but still shoots perfect. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/30/af8f844c32a46ed227727837872f570e.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/30/34297ea907635eb9dfb634efd51c3d63.jpg)

I wish I could find a $300 glock.  Been keeping my eye out for a good deal on one.   

I usually watch armslist.com. People are really proud of their used glocks lately. I'm not a huge glock fan after my last brand new glock 19 I had. I had to call customer service for a new part because it was spitting brass in my face(which was a known issue) and they treated me like shit. I still miss my Springfield xdm.

Finally made my mind up... Put the AR up for sale.