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Title: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: mtgtopdeck on February 06, 2011, 07:55:49 PM I'm looking at purchasing springs for my 05 coupe and I figured that it would be smart to purchase new wheels/rims at the same time.
My current tires are very close to the end of there life. (OEM / 57,000 miles) Would it be a good idea to get them both installed at the same time? or would it not make much of a difference if I purchased the springs now then the wheels later? I'm looking at the eibach pro-kit springs. I like the idea of a lifetime warranty. I want 18 inch rims and after looking through hundreds and hundreds of styles I've decided I like these ones: (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/mtgtopdeck/2005%20Honda%20Accord/Rims.jpg) (http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/sportedition/swap/se_f10_mfba_ci3_l.jpg) I'm still under-educated on tires. I've always liked the Kuhmo brand and so I am looking at "Ecsta ASX KU21" (http://www.kumhousa.com/Tire.aspx?id=b8040f9f-7760-4f75-87e5-6cccb4ac8e1e&cat=24) Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: cna on February 06, 2011, 09:48:27 PM I would swap out the shocks and struts while you dropping it too then go for wheels
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: timot_one on February 06, 2011, 10:49:03 PM You'll be fine if you swap your springs, but Clemente is right. It would be wise to swap springs and shocks at the same time. Your shocks will end up wearing out a lot faster after you lower your car since they are not intended for a lowered ride height. You also want to remember to get a rear camber kit. No matter what, you must use a rear camber kit if you don't want to keep replacing tires because of excessive camber wear.
Based on my personal experience and opinion, I would pass on the Kumho's. I had a few sets of Kumho's and wasn't impressed. Have you done any research on this topic before posting this thread? Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: mtgtopdeck on February 06, 2011, 11:09:00 PM You'll be fine if you swap your springs, but Clemente is right. It would be wise to swap springs and shocks at the same time. Your shocks will end up wearing out a lot faster after you lower your car since they are not intended for a lowered ride height. You also want to remember to get a rear camber kit. No matter what, you must use a rear camber kit if you don't want to keep replacing tires because of excessive camber wear. Based on my personal experience and opinion, I would pass on the Kumho's. I had a few sets of Kumho's and wasn't impressed. Have you done any research on this topic before posting this thread? All I've been doing for the past week of unemployed life is researching all about my car and automotive everything in general. It can be hard to find accurate non-opinionated information about specific parts and products but Ive been trying. I'm a young guy (22) out of college doing freelance 3d graphic design for a living. So honestly, and obviously, I am lacking a lot of technical knowledge about cars simply from lack of experience. I really appreciate the help. Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: mtgtopdeck on February 07, 2011, 06:11:21 AM Spent the last 7 hours reading all about my suspension and more about tires.
Here's what I'm looking at right now Suspension: x2 Ingalls SmartArm™ Adjustable Link, Camber/Toe, Rubber Bushings (http://www.ingallseng.com/38725-smartarm-adjustable-link-camber-toe-rubber-bushings.html) x1 Eibach Pro-Kit Lowering Coil Springs 4044.140 (http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/sku/Honda/Accord/Eibach/Lowering_Springs/2005/EX/6_Cyl_3-dot-0L/E274044140.html?loc=Front+And+Rear+Suspension&tlc=Brakes%2C+Suspension+%26+Steering) x2 Tokico Rear Shock Absorber and Strut Assembly HP (http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/sku/Honda/Accord/Tokico/Shock_Absorber_and_Strut_Assembly/2005/EX/6_Cyl_3-dot-0L/T38HU3762.html?loc=Rear&tlc=Brakes%2C+Suspension+%26+Steering) x2 Tokico Front Shock Absorber and Strut Assembly HP (http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/sku/Honda/Accord/Tokico/Shock_Absorber_and_Strut_Assembly/2005/EX/6_Cyl_3-dot-0L/T38HU3761.html?loc=Front&tlc=Brakes%2C+Suspension+%26+Steering) Wheels + Tires: x4 Sport Edition F10 Machined 1 Piece Cast Aluminum Rims | 18" | +50mm offset | 23lbs (http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/WheelCloseUpServlet?target=runWheelSearch&initialPartNumber=F1011450BDC&wheelMake=Sport+Edition&wheelModel=F10&wheelFinish=Machined+w%2FBlack+Accent&showRear=no&autoMake=Honda&autoModel=Accord+Cpe+EX+V6&autoYear=2005&autoModClar=&filterFinish=All&filterSize=18&filterBrand=All&filterSpecial=false&filterNew=All&filterWeight=All&sort=Price) x4 Pirelli PZero Nero All Season | 215/45R18 | load index 93 | speed rating W (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=PZero+Nero+All+Season&partnum=145WR80NMSXL&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Honda&autoYear=2005&autoModel=Accord%20Cpe%20EX%20V6&autoModClar=) I think I should continue looking for rims. 50mm offset only brings the wheels out 0.4" which wont be anywhere near flush. The ones I posted are manufactured by Kosei Aluminum Co. (http://www.koseijp.co.jp/engfl/NewPage08/Home/Home.htm) which only started making wheels in 2006 so I'm a little bit reluctant in trusting their wheels Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: timot_one on February 07, 2011, 09:15:06 AM Seems like a decent set up so far. Do you live in an area that gets snow? I'd make one suggestion if you do. Spend the money on summer tires for your rims and then get snow tires for your oem wheels. All season tires are a compromise for both weather conditions and don't excel in either condition.
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: Mike on February 07, 2011, 09:22:32 AM Kumho tires have treated me very well petsonally
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: jdmaccord on February 09, 2011, 11:36:38 AM Your wheel offset is fine. You shouldn't experience any rub. Dido on the Kumho, I was buying new tires like every 6 months.
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: fatbastard on February 10, 2011, 09:18:11 AM what's the wheel width?
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: mtgtopdeck on February 10, 2011, 09:09:41 PM what's the wheel width? 8" Seems like a decent set up so far. Do you live in an area that gets snow? I'd make one suggestion if you do. Spend the money on summer tires for your rims and then get snow tires for your oem wheels. All season tires are a compromise for both weather conditions and don't excel in either condition. That's a great idea! I live in the center of silicon valley santa clara california. It's basically sunny 85% of the year with the other 15% being light-medium rain I've decided on one of these two Tires: x4 Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110 (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+V12+evo+K110&partnum=145YR8K110XL&i1_Qty=4&autoMake=Honda&autoModel=Accord%20Cpe%20EX%20V6&autoYear=2005&autoModClar=&vehicleSearch=true) x4 General Tire Exclaim UHP (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Exclaim+UHP&sidewall=Blackwall&autoMake=Honda&autoYear=2005&autoModel=Accord%20Cpe%20EX%20V6&autoModClar=&partnum=145WR8EUHPXL&tab=Sizes) (most likely these ones because of the treadware) I'm still not sure on rims. It's a pain in the ass trying to find rims that aren't too flashy and compliment the car's style. These are my favorites so far (lowered the car in photoshop): (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/mtgtopdeck/2005%20Honda%20Accord/Rims_Sport_Edition_F10_Silver.jpg) (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/mtgtopdeck/2005%20Honda%20Accord/Rims_BBS_CF_Anthrite.jpg) (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/mtgtopdeck/2005%20Honda%20Accord/Rims_BBS_CF.jpg) (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/mtgtopdeck/2005%20Honda%20Accord/Enkei_Performance_Series_GW8.jpg) Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: Mike on February 10, 2011, 09:20:47 PM I'm not a fan... For something of similar cost, and better construction have you considered any of the OEM options... Just two quick photos but, TL Aspec, HFP, and TL S wheels all look good and are a nice fit.
(http://www.keenanhondaparts.com/catalog/ACCOR08152_med.jpg) (http://i46.tinypic.com/12546fn.jpg) Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: fatbastard on February 10, 2011, 09:49:14 PM +50 offset on 19x8" is ok, but it will be very difficult to fit a BBK later on. ;)
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: timot_one on February 10, 2011, 10:49:52 PM That depends on the spoke design. Width and offset aren't the only factors that determine if a wheel will clear a BBK.
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: mtgtopdeck on February 11, 2011, 12:19:53 AM I'm not a fan... For something of similar cost, and better construction have you considered any of the OEM options... Just two quick photos but, TL Aspec, HFP, and TL S wheels all look good and are a nice fit. [img]http://www.keenanhondaparts.com/catalog/ACCOR08152_med.jpg[img] [img]http://i46.tinypic.com/12546fn.jpg[img] The HFP 19" rims are 1,300 a set so I will need to think long and hard before making that decision. +50 offset on 19x8" is ok, but it will be very difficult to fit a BBK later on. ;) That depends on the spoke design. Width and offset aren't the only factors that determine if a wheel will clear a BBK. I don't have plans for a new brake system. Assuming that's what you are talking about. (no idea what BBK refers to other than the company) Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: fatbastard on February 11, 2011, 02:48:55 AM BBK= big brake kit
That depends on the spoke design. Width and offset aren't the only factors that determine if a wheel will clear a BBK. yeah you're right. experienced it first hand with my wheels. +38 offset and wont clear BBK. bought new set with +45 and clears it with some more space :) Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: timot_one on February 11, 2011, 07:52:36 AM In my case, I have 2 sets of wheels that are both 18x7.5 +42. One set clears my front calipers and the other doesn't.
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: jdmaccord on February 11, 2011, 01:13:47 PM I see someone like to play around with photoshop. :P
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: mtgtopdeck on February 12, 2011, 02:26:57 AM I see someone like to play around with photoshop. :P ;DUpdate on what I'm looking at buying. Prices include tax+shipping 4x 19" OEM HFP RIMS ($1,391.88 - Honda of Temecula [direct from honda price is 2,000]) 4x General Exclaim UHP 235/35ZR19 ($761.46 - America's Tire Company) 4x Bridgestone Blizzak WS70 205/60R16 ($413.56 - America's Tire Company) 2x Ingalls Rear Camber Kit ($239.21 - Ingallseng.com) Tein Super Street Coilovers ($1,140.00 - ebay) 2x Front Ball Joints? Total: $3946.11 + installation costs Go big or go home + If it's worth doing it's worth doing right. The only thing I'm not 100% sure about getting is the Coilovers. I just don't know which brand is better. Eibach, Tein, KSport, Nuespeed, H&R, etc. etc. Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: Mike on February 12, 2011, 02:31:15 AM Ive never hears a bad word about tein, or the neauspeed cup kit. Eazy was selling a nice set of aspecs with tires in the for sale section those would look great with your color
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: CrackerTeg on February 12, 2011, 05:45:53 AM Those already got sold Mike. You're a day late and a dollar short.
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: timot_one on February 12, 2011, 08:03:40 AM Milan is selling a super cup kit in the FS section. I'd get that man.
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: Mike on February 12, 2011, 09:37:53 AM Good looking out on the Supercup Kit Tim used saves you alot of money!
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: mtgtopdeck on February 12, 2011, 05:22:18 PM Milan is selling a super cup kit in the FS section. I'd get that man. his are for an i4 aren't they? Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: timot_one on February 12, 2011, 05:59:30 PM Yeah. I'm guessing you have a V6. Bummer.
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: mtgtopdeck on February 13, 2011, 01:12:37 AM Tein SS coilovers + Ingalls camber kits have been purchased.
Still on the edge about the rims. Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: jdmaccord on February 16, 2011, 01:13:48 PM ocwe you get the coilovers.....slam it ;D. you'll love the aggressive look especially with the HFP. You must be using you tax money with that wish list and price. I can't wait to get mine in :P
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: pbplayer257 on November 09, 2011, 09:10:46 PM i know this thread is a bit old, but im looking for some guidance. I really want to lower my car without switching out the shocks. Eibach pro kit is looking like my best option, but i was wondering if the stock shocks can handle the sportlines, which are almost an inch lower than the pro kit, and of course i will be getting a camber kit/alignment.
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: timot_one on November 09, 2011, 11:11:38 PM Sure, you can go ahead and do it if you want, but just remember that you're going to need to replace your shocks because they're going to wear much faster with the lower ride height.
Title: Re: Springs and new wheels at the same time? Post by: b_beau_09 on November 10, 2011, 11:01:51 AM From experience, I had a shock blow on my v6 coupe when I put the Tein S-tech springs on stock springs. I think I only had them on for a few months too. I switched to the tein SS coilovers and punched myself for not doing that to begin with.
I'd recommend upgrading shocks if you're doing any lowering.. |