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Title: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on February 14, 2009, 10:29:45 PM
Drivers Side
LED Wires
purple = ground to metal on door
pink = 12 volts to red/blue - found at top of fuse box (large white plug)
Mirror Wires
yellow/black (mirror) to green/white (door harness)
yellow/red (mirror) to blue/black (door harness)
yellow/white (mirror) to blue/white (door harness)

Passengers Side
LED Wires
purple = ground to metal on door
pink = 12 volts to brown - found at top of fuse box (large white plug)
Mirror Wires
blue/black (mirror) to green/white (door harness)
blue/green (mirror) to red/yellow (door harness)
yellow/white (mirror) to white/red (door harness)

Pics will be up later when it's warm out.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: ROLO on February 19, 2009, 04:49:03 PM
I hope this helps Milan when he helps me install my TSX mirrors...


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on February 20, 2009, 12:17:25 AM
I don't think it will help out with anything more than the install of the ground wires for the turn signals.  Fortunately, I can check the wiring of my TSX mirrors for you.  I will have that info here when I have a chance to look at 'em.  I should have that for you by Saturday.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: ROLO on February 20, 2009, 12:00:25 PM
Thanks Tim.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: kaabob on January 17, 2010, 09:34:02 PM
The 06' Hybrid mirrors are heated. Are there wires that come separately for the heating element?


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: k24low20z on January 17, 2010, 11:01:39 PM
Quote from: "kaabob"
The 06' Hybrid mirrors are heated. Are there wires that come separately for the heating element?

yes.. 2 more black and grey wires.. i have the 06-07 tsx with the heating element but i never got around to wire it up for the heater to work and living in FL i dont really need it..i remember tim had said that it can maybe be hooked up to the rear window defroster switch or just add a aftermarket switch..


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on January 18, 2010, 08:09:13 AM
I've never worked with the heated mirrors, and I don't have the wiring diagram for them, but it should be really easy to hook up the heating element.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: mnkyman on January 18, 2010, 03:04:37 PM
Quote from: "kaabob"
The 06' Hybrid mirrors are heated. Are there wires that come separately for the heating element?

if you really want, you can buy the hybrid accord mirror switch (it looks the same as ours, but to the left of the knob for adjusting mirrors there is a small button for the heat option)...when I looked into it a while back it was like $50 for that button, so I would just do what everyone else suggested above and wire it into something like your defroster...or maybe even a standard switch on the dash where the fog switch is


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on January 18, 2010, 03:55:24 PM
I'm not sure if the hybrid mirror heated switch is a constant on/off, or just a timed latched switch (stays on for 10 minutes and then shuts off).  That might be the only problem you will encounter.  That's why I suggest using the rear defrost as a trigger.  At least we know that is a latched switch.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: sherker55 on January 19, 2010, 09:11:00 PM
My Accord has the mirror heater switches right next to the power mirror knob...is this not what you guys are talking about?  so I want hybrid mirrors, are they heated as a standard option for the hybrids?  if so, then the hybrid mirrors should be plug and play for my car right?


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on January 19, 2010, 09:24:52 PM
I'm not sure about them being plug and play.  Only one way to find out.  If they aren't plug and play, at least you know that you can just wire them up yourself with a little help from people on here.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: mnkyman on January 19, 2010, 09:44:32 PM
Quote from: "sherker55"
My Accord has the mirror heater switches right next to the power mirror knob

really? picture?


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: sherker55 on January 19, 2010, 10:10:43 PM
I'll try to take some pics tomorrow if you don't believe me!

JK...yeah, I have the 07 Sedan V6, 6 MT...carbon fiber interior, leather heated seats, everything black on inside...everything but Navi, foglights, and trunk spoiler...


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: sherker55 on January 20, 2010, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: "mnkyman"
Quote from: "sherker55"
My Accord has the mirror heater switches right next to the power mirror knob

really? picture?

ok, I have the pic on my memory card. how do I put it on here?  does it have to come from a URL?


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: sherker55 on January 20, 2010, 08:15:52 PM
Quote from: mnkyman
Quote from: sherker55
My Accord has the mirror heater switches right next to the power mirror knob


really? picture?


here you go non-believers!

(http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss115/markkleiner/CAR/IMG_2587.jpg)


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: mnkyman on January 20, 2010, 10:38:45 PM
lol that's crazy...i thought those were only on the hybrids...since none of the other accords came with heated mirrors (to my knowledge). Does the button do anything?


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: wtcii on January 20, 2010, 10:53:46 PM
I just did some research and the 7.5 gen EX trim levels had heated exterior mirrors.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: sherker55 on January 20, 2010, 11:13:20 PM
Quote from: "mnkyman"
lol that's crazy...i thought those were only on the hybrids...since none of the other accords came with heated mirrors (to my knowledge). Does the button do anything?


umm yeah...it heats the mirrors...


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: mnkyman on January 20, 2010, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: "mnkyman"
lol that's crazy...i thought those were only on the hybrids...since none of the other accords came with heated mirrors (to my knowledge). Does the button do anything?

did not know that

well in that case, just wire the hybrid mirrors to the wire for your current heated mirrors


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: sherker55 on January 21, 2010, 12:02:25 PM
now I just gotta get them!


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: K24power07 on April 11, 2010, 04:21:14 PM
06-07 Honda accord Hybrid side view mirrors 4dr DIY... I did the install this weekend and made a vid, i hope this helps others out....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqb3m4WCitk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqb3m4WCitk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: duck17 on May 04, 2010, 03:04:27 PM
i am trying to do some research, and i was wondering if you guys can help to make it easy. will the hybrid mirrors only fit on the sedans, or will they work for the coupe as well. I have a coupe so i am trying to determine if i can get the hybrids or do i need to get the tsx mirrors


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on May 05, 2010, 03:48:49 PM
There's a thread for modifying mirrors for the coupe.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: LFSoccer2k6 on November 12, 2010, 08:38:41 AM
How is the heated function hooked up?  I have 2 black wires from the mirror harness and one black and one orange wire from the OEM harness.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: sherker55 on April 13, 2011, 04:45:25 PM
updated picture of mirror heater switch


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on April 14, 2011, 08:42:19 AM
Billy, go up to post #20.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: CrazyCreashunz on April 14, 2011, 08:50:24 AM
Billy, go up to post #20.

Haha... I should have read through...  :angel:


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on April 14, 2011, 08:56:14 AM
ror


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: CYANiDE on January 22, 2012, 02:19:32 AM
Hey Tim -

Any way you can get a hold of the TSX diagram?


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on January 22, 2012, 03:46:41 PM
I thought I posted it somewhere.  When I have time, I'll move my car so I can get access to my mirrors and write down the wiring.  Right now, my car is pushed all the way over to one side of my garage with a car cover on it.  I can't exactly open up my PS door at the moment to get access to the wires.  I'll post a thread with the wiring when I do this though.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: gargantula99 on January 22, 2012, 11:57:32 PM
He doesn't have an '03-'05 though.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: CYANiDE on January 23, 2012, 01:46:12 AM
Yea, I have an '06. I sort of assumed the wiring was similar but I may be wrong. Anyone have any idea where I can get the diagrams?


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on January 23, 2012, 07:07:19 AM
They may be the same.  Only one way to find out.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: HSingh13 on February 26, 2014, 12:50:21 AM
Thank you all for the wiring help on this page, I was able to successfully install my new hybrid mirrors with these tips. I am curious if anyone knows, and can help me wire my hybrid lights to be used as running lights, and the signal at the same time? I've heard using relays will make that possible, but am not sure how exactly to wire them. Any help? Thanks all in advance.

(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab96/HSingh13/2D22E388-FC21-4FF1-B0CA-10033E925D20_zpsypzsrfya.jpg) (http://s853.photobucket.com/user/HSingh13/media/2D22E388-FC21-4FF1-B0CA-10033E925D20_zpsypzsrfya.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on February 26, 2014, 06:51:06 AM
It is possible to have them operate in the manner that you want.  The simplest solution would have them blink off when your turn signal bulb in your headlight blinks on.  It would be a kind of wig wag effect.  Here is how I would set it up with a normally closed spdt relay:

30 - 12v to mirror LED's
85 - ground
86 - 12v from turn signal
87 - empty
87a - 12v from parking/running lights


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: HSingh13 on February 28, 2014, 12:45:40 AM
Perfect! Thank you Tim, I will give this a try. One last question, I'm new to relays, just want to make sure before I cause damage.. Does The 12v wire from turn signal/parking light have to come from my vehicles relay under the dash? Or can I connect a wire from where it enters the front bulb? Thanks again!


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on February 28, 2014, 01:14:02 AM
You can do that, but it will require that you run the wire through the firewall and in to the door.  You can find your turn signal wires in the wire harness running down the driver's side of the car under the door sill.  That's an easy spot to get to for soldering wires.  Another thing you can do is remove the connector from the fuse box under the dash and solder it that way too.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on February 28, 2014, 04:42:08 PM
For those who wondered how to make his project work. I draw a wiring diagram of relays for him. Tell me if you have questions, comments, see errors or have a better way to do it .

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab109/Pascal_Godin/hybridmirrors-Copie_zpscac7994e.jpg) (http://s854.photobucket.com/user/Pascal_Godin/media/hybridmirrors-Copie_zpscac7994e.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on February 28, 2014, 05:51:55 PM
I see two issues.  The first issue is that you do not need a separate set of relays for the hazard lights.  When you use your hazard lights, it will blink both the left and right turn signals already.  The second issue that I see is with the turn signal inputs.  I'm not sure how you are differentiating between the blinker switch and turn signal, but in your wiring diagram your turn signals (in the mirrors and headlights) would not work because they would be constantly on. 

It doesn't need to be that complicated as you've made it out to be.  The redundancy is unnecessary.  You only need 2 relays for this.  One for the left and one for the right.  There only needs to be a signal wire from the turn signals to energize the coil in the relay, power coming from the parking lights (when they're on) and power going to the mirror LED's.  It's really that simple.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on February 28, 2014, 06:52:18 PM
please note that those are normally closed relays. the blinker switch is the switch of the plastic arm arm. the same thing for the hazards button. all this is for the led's in the mirrors to light up in night mode, and still blink if the turn signals or the hazards are activated. like this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwjsBf-o-fk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwjsBf-o-fk#)


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on February 28, 2014, 07:20:48 PM
You're not using any diodes to eliminate backfeeding power to the turn signals in the headlights?  In the set up I suggested, it also uses normally closed spdt relays.  I think you've over complicated what is really a simple set up.  It would have been a lot easier to pull 12v from the turn signal wires (red/blue - left : brown - right) either at the fuse box or in the cabin harness going down the DS of the car.  The additional wires from the switches (that I believe you are running) and the relays for the hazard light are unnecessary.  If I have time to put a battery in my car and rig something up tomorrow, I'll show you that you can achieve the same results with a less complicated set up.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on February 28, 2014, 08:05:17 PM
I understand what you're saying but i tought by doing so, it would be always on since it would be blinking. when the coil isn't activated (the off part of the blinking cycle) current would comes from the parking lights and get through the relay so still lighting up the led's. the way i made it, the relay's coils are getting constant current. I may be wrong though. Would like to see exactly the way you did it


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on February 28, 2014, 08:25:01 PM
Do your mirror LED turn signals work when your parking lights are off?


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on February 28, 2014, 08:35:20 PM
I don't have any on mine, just made up the wiring diagram, but on the diagram yeah they would.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on February 28, 2014, 09:28:48 PM
I'm just baffled how the 12v wire from the turn signal doesn't backfeed and keep the turn signal bulbs on all the time when the parking lights are on without a diode.  One thing that I hadn't taken into consideration originally was the turn signal mirror LED's when the parking lights were not on.  Taking that into consideration, it would require 2 relays per side.  Here's how I would wire it up.

(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g274/timot_one/Accord%20Pics/Mechanical/mirrorrelay2_zps8611cc8d.jpg)


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on February 28, 2014, 09:45:28 PM
With parking lights of, it's all good, but with them on, that would make the LED's go OFF when the turn signal be ON. Alternating with the normal turn signal. I don't know if you understand me.

Parking OFF
Turn signal OFF  --> LED OFF
Turn signal ON  --> LED ON

Parking ON
Turn signal OFF  --> LED ON
Turn signal ON  --> LED OFF


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on February 28, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
With parking lights of, it's all good, but with them on, that would make the LED's go OFF when the turn signal be ON. Alternating with the normal turn signal. I don't know if you understand me.

Yeah.  That's how I expected them to function.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on February 28, 2014, 09:57:00 PM
well that would look odd to me, but if it is the way you want them to be, it would work. My way makes it blink at the same time, which makes it look more like oem, but that's tastes.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on March 01, 2014, 09:59:27 AM
My way would make the LED's light up when unlocking/locking the car too since the power comes from the parking lights. I still don't get your thing with the diodes and backfeeding power into the headlights though.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on March 01, 2014, 12:35:41 PM
Okay, I was thinking about your wiring diagram and relay set up all wrong.  I kept thinking that the signal wire for the relay were after the MICU and getting an intermittent signal instead of the constant signal that would be coming from the switch before the MICU.  Now I understand your set up.  I think the only thing I would change is to use 1 relay for the hazard light switch and put it before the turn signal relays.  I'd only do that to simplify the set up.

Follow me on the backfeeding though.  If you follow the current path on your wiring diagram, there's 12v going to the mirror LED's when the parking lights are on.  Correct?  You also have the brown wire labeled left/right turn signal branching off from that signal path between the relay and mirror.  Does that wire go to the turn signal bulbs in the headlights?

If it does, then under normal circumstances, when you have the parking lights on there would be 12v going to the turn signal bulbs.  That's what I mean by backfeeding.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on March 01, 2014, 02:16:46 PM
Yeah you are right about the way I did it, the relays are for an exception when not to use parking light current . And yeah I haven't thought about putting the hazard relay before the other two. I just thought about after that only one wouldn't work or needing a double contact relay, I'll change that ! And for the diodes I'll need 3 if I get it right . One before all relays on the parking light wire and one on each turn signal wire ( left and right ). It is an art beeing able to simplify at its best a relay diagram ;)  :D
If I am right and you don't see anything else I'll modify it and post it again. What software are you using ? Anything is better than ms paint !


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on March 01, 2014, 08:25:43 PM
I will draw up a diagram. You would only need 2 diodes. One for each turn signal.

You'd be surprised what I'm using to make those drawings.


Title: Re: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Mike on March 02, 2014, 11:17:36 AM
Visio?


Title: Re: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: CrackerTeg on March 02, 2014, 12:40:27 PM
Crayons, paper towels and a flatbed scanner.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on March 02, 2014, 12:50:35 PM
Could be visio. Looks a bit like it with the grid in the background. Thought it was software purposed for electrical drawings.


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: timot_one on March 02, 2014, 03:35:51 PM
Nope. You guys are far off.


Title: Re: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: CrackerTeg on March 02, 2014, 04:55:07 PM
Got it now. Colored pencils, low grade copy paper and a cell phone camera.


Title: Re:
Post by: Mike on March 02, 2014, 08:39:36 PM
Excel


Title: Re:
Post by: olecram39 on May 14, 2014, 01:15:28 PM
FYI this works exactly the same for the tsx mirrors so maybe change the title to hybrid and tsx mirrors? . I just did mine, thank you Tim


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on September 10, 2014, 10:43:49 AM
I am in the process of making a custom PCB for a underskirt VIP puddle lights and turn signals and for the hybrid/tsx mirrors. Would anyone be interested into one of these ( a version only for the mirrors ) ?


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: ikethegreat on September 10, 2014, 01:06:03 PM
Can you explain exactly what it does?


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on September 10, 2014, 01:51:12 PM
Well the mirrors will light up just like in the video in the 3rd page and will also light up when you lock/unlock with the key fob.
For my first prototype for my car I will do a circuit board with relays on it and tap into existing wires from the micu but eventually if people would be interested I would like to develop a plug and play unit into into the micu and only connect the mirror wires into the unit I would make


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on September 12, 2014, 09:23:27 AM
My schematic and PCB for my mirrors/puddle lights project :)

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab109/Pascal_Godin/schematic_zpse61631f2.png) (http://s854.photobucket.com/user/Pascal_Godin/media/schematic_zpse61631f2.png.html)

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab109/Pascal_Godin/Board_zps5e6c864d.png) (http://s854.photobucket.com/user/Pascal_Godin/media/Board_zps5e6c864d.png.html)


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on September 15, 2014, 06:51:09 PM
Here is my pcb with and without the relays and connectors on the board. Still got to solder them to the board and should be working !

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab109/Pascal_Godin/576CDF7F-B477-43CB-B8E4-2143E03F8B19_zps7bodbyjs.jpg) (http://s854.photobucket.com/user/Pascal_Godin/media/576CDF7F-B477-43CB-B8E4-2143E03F8B19_zps7bodbyjs.jpg.html)

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab109/Pascal_Godin/6C6BDF3F-80E0-4470-917C-705FF66AEA9F_zpspcezerd0.jpg) (http://s854.photobucket.com/user/Pascal_Godin/media/6C6BDF3F-80E0-4470-917C-705FF66AEA9F_zpspcezerd0.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Hybrid Mirror Wiring Guide
Post by: Pascal on September 18, 2014, 02:06:39 PM
Okay, so here is what happened, Soldered everything up, made a mock-up of the lights of my car on a breadboard, used a small 12v battery pack and an arduino to generate the turn signal on-off cycle

Here is the LED mock-up

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab109/Pascal_Godin/AD41CA7F-7F46-48CD-A983-659BA5297599_zpssbeayqbd.jpg) (http://s854.photobucket.com/user/Pascal_Godin/media/AD41CA7F-7F46-48CD-A983-659BA5297599_zpssbeayqbd.jpg.html)

Here is the result (represents night time and activating the right turn signal.

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab109/Pascal_Godin/th_349309CF-E000-4FC4-B72E-F902CADA54F5_zpszvgmzfoy.mp4) (http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab109/Pascal_Godin/349309CF-E000-4FC4-B72E-F902CADA54F5_zpszvgmzfoy.mp4)

Everything looks fine, but when i do the left, things get messy, both white turn off and right side amber puddle stay on, Seems like there is feedback in my circuit.
Decided to not have amber puddles lights, and the white ones won't turn off when i use the turn signals.
Need to design and make another PCB !


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