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Title: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: Rushzer0 on March 15, 2012, 10:10:07 AM
I was just searching k20a.org and came across this...

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=101077 (http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=101077)

 Autofair are using the J35 TB on the new civics for an upgrade to their stock TB. At that price it's relatively cheap to. Got me to wondering if this can be fitted to the 06+ accord manifold or the 06+ TSX manifold as an upgrade for the DBW guys. Even if someone was to get an adaptor made to use it. Something to think about.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: timot_one on March 15, 2012, 12:19:45 PM
Cool stuff. Adapters are easy enough to have machined.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 15, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
If someone wants to send me a mani, orig TB, and new TB I am sure I can come up with a adaptor.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: Rushzer0 on March 15, 2012, 12:48:46 PM
If I had a DBW accord I would deff do just that. Hmmmm... Maybe one of the guys over on V6P might be interested. I seen a lot of TB upgrade threads for DBW guys over there.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: CYANiDE on March 15, 2012, 05:20:32 PM
Would the diameter of the intake not matter? Are they the same for the J35 and K24/20?


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 15, 2012, 07:02:26 PM
It might, of course that is what porting is for ;)


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: timot_one on March 15, 2012, 11:41:07 PM
If I had a DBW Accord, I'd donate my IM and TB for you to make an adapter Paul. 


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: CYANiDE on March 16, 2012, 01:42:57 AM
If the power gains from this are worth it I wouldn't mind sending Paul a TSX intake manifold and the j35 throttle body....hmmm


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 16, 2012, 05:57:22 AM
Well, as usual, someone has to grab a pair and put them out there to find out.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: ikethegreat on March 16, 2012, 08:04:06 AM
Which Accords are DBW?


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 16, 2012, 08:28:59 AM
Or how about a 75mm TB???? I wont say exactly where I found the TB, but it is made for another OEM by Denso and is Wire compatible.....


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 16, 2012, 08:32:06 AM
Which Accords are DBW?

V6 and 05+ I4


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: Rushzer0 on March 16, 2012, 08:36:25 AM
Or how about a 75mm TB???? I wont say exactly where I found the TB, but it is made for another OEM by Denso and is Wire compatible.....

That is a big TB lol! Someone should jump on this.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: timot_one on March 16, 2012, 09:25:25 AM
Shit.  I just got a 74mm tb.


Title: Re: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: CrackerTeg on March 16, 2012, 09:35:54 AM
Made for another OEM by Denso? The only OEM I can think of is of a domestic breed and I'm assuming that's why you're not saying Paul.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 16, 2012, 09:36:25 AM
Yea, but your cable op, not as big a deal.....


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 16, 2012, 09:37:25 AM
Made for another OEM by Denso? The only OEM I can think of is of a domestic breed and I'm assuming that's why you're not saying Paul.

You would be wrong sir.......


Title: Re: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: CrackerTeg on March 16, 2012, 09:38:04 AM
Really? My curiosity has piqued.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 17, 2012, 07:15:53 AM
What other Japanese/US auto maker often uses Denso parts, no not Nissan........


Title: Re: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: CrackerTeg on March 17, 2012, 08:12:21 AM
Toyota?


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 17, 2012, 08:47:51 AM
Ding Ding Ding, we have a weiner. From the 08+ 5.7L engines in the Sequia/Tundra/LX570


Also I have one inbound........


Title: Re: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: CrackerTeg on March 17, 2012, 10:51:03 AM
Yay! Did I win anything?


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: Rushzer0 on March 17, 2012, 07:52:15 PM
Good guess Z. This is pretty cool can't wait to see what comes of this. OEM upgrades FTW!


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 17, 2012, 09:41:32 PM
Yay! Did I win anything?



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Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: timot_one on March 18, 2012, 02:39:51 AM
You might get in trouble if you try and ship that to Miami Paul.  It may be best to have him come pick that up instead.

Nice find with the TB though.  I know it's difficult for the DBW guys.  You're absolutely right that it's easier for those of us that have a cable TB.  I know a popular K Series upgrade for people that need it is a 90mm Mustang TB.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: Jeff Likes Bagels on March 18, 2012, 03:29:56 AM
Wasn't there something about upgrading to the 06-08 TSX throttle body for 06-07 Accords? Or was the conclusion that there is no difference between the two?

Also, it's probably not worth getting too much larger of a throttle body (and port matched everything else) on an untuned engine, right? The way I see it, the car is going to see more air coming in, but also at a slower velocity, so it has to accommodate for that somehow. But I'm sure a couple millimeters would still help regardless.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 18, 2012, 06:55:32 AM
Wasn't there something about upgrading to the 06-08 TSX throttle body for 06-07 Accords? Or was the conclusion that there is no difference between the two?

Also, it's probably not worth getting too much larger of a throttle body (and port matched everything else) on an untuned engine, right? The way I see it, the car is going to see more air coming in, but also at a slower velocity, so it has to accommodate for that somehow. But I'm sure a couple millimeters would still help regardless.

The ECU sees the slower AV with the MAP sensor and MAF sensor and adjusts. Yes having tuning can take more advantage but our stock ECUs are pretty damn intelligent.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: MyNameIsThien on March 18, 2012, 10:57:49 PM
So when will be project 5.7 Toyota TB come into play? I would like to take advantage of this.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 19, 2012, 06:12:20 AM
Shortly after I get the unit in.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 21, 2012, 05:37:21 PM
Got the TB in, 77mm at it's narrowest behind the butterfly...........


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: Rushzer0 on March 21, 2012, 06:51:55 PM
Sweet jesus, make sure to put a filter on the end of the intake so you don't accidentally suck up any stray dogs or little kids into that thing :D


Title: Re: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: CrackerTeg on March 21, 2012, 07:19:36 PM
It's okay to suck small, furry creatures into the engine. Kids, not so much.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 21, 2012, 07:49:36 PM
Ohh yeah, a stock V6 TB is only 65mm..........


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: timot_one on March 21, 2012, 09:21:52 PM
TL TB is 68mm, right?  77mm is a nice size TB though.  Most of the cars here don't need anything that big though.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 22, 2012, 06:04:56 AM
TL TB is 68mm, right?  77mm is a nice size TB though.  Most of the cars here don't need anything that big though.

They are also 65mm except for the new 3.5L TLs they are 68mm


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: timot_one on March 22, 2012, 03:11:35 PM
What kind of build do you think would benefit from a 77mm TB Paul?


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 22, 2012, 04:09:20 PM
J33,J35,J36,K with headwork and heavy cams......

The way you casn tell is on the Dyno when you see a plateu in power before redline, usually it is a breathing issue where the engine just can not get enough air to fully feed it.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: MyNameIsThien on March 22, 2012, 07:32:53 PM
Is the Toyota 5.7 TB a direct bolt on or will it need an adapter?


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: NVA-AV6 on March 22, 2012, 07:55:01 PM
Is the Toyota 5.7 TB a direct bolt on or will it need an adapter?

Manifold itself will need major porting and weld-up work to open it up.


Title: Re: New throttlebody option for our DBW brethren?
Post by: MyNameIsThien on March 22, 2012, 08:13:28 PM
I see. Please keep us informed on the progress.


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