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Hey guys! Me again. Well I was looking in the market to buy an alarm for my car but I really don't know much about them and which brand is also the top rated. I'd like an alarm with remote start which could be a problem since my car is MT. Which of the alarms out there offer a kit for a MT car or which parts or what procedure is required to install an alarm kit with remote start capabilities on a MT car. Sorry for being such a noob. Any info or glance on this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

any alarm will work but you have a MT transmission you would have to leave your car in neutral to work the remote start

Viper 5901 is what I have and couldn't be happier.

I'm not sure what the laws are in Puerto Rico, but in the US it is illegal to have a remote start in a car with a MT.  You may have a hard time finding someone willing to do an illegal remote start since they would be liable for any damage resulting from it.  Of course, I have a remote start on my MT.  There is something that DEI makes for a remote start on a MT though.  If you're looking for an alarm, I would go with some of the higher end DEI stuff like Viper or Clifford.

Hmm I see. So is there a specific alarm that is offered by Viper or Clifford that supports Remote Start on MT cars? If so which one would you recommend?

No, there is not.  The reason why a remote start on a MT is illegal is because there is no NSS (Neutral Safety Switch) like an AT has to prevent the car from starting if it is not in neutral or park.  DEI makes a neutral safety switch for a MT, but I'm not sure if you would be able to get one.  Technically, it's not illegal, but fopr some reason it still is even if you have the DEI MT NSS.

Hmm I see. Where can I find it and how much $ would it be ?

No clue, I've never installed one.

Actually, there is an alarm that supports remote start for MT cars.  The Viper 5901 does, as well as, the Clifford Matrix 50.7.  These two alarms are the same, just different remotes.  Same brain, especially since both are DEI products.  There are probably other alarms, I just know about these two.

There is a Manual Transmission mode for the remote start for the 5901.  There is a shutdown sequence one must perform when leaving the car (which isn't too bad) to activate the remote start to be able to use it next time.

I'm looking to get the new Viper Responder 350 alarm that just came out this month.  Do we need to purchase the interface module to get these alarms to work for our cars?  I'd rather not spend the extra $99 if it is not needed.

What interface module are you talking about.  The only thing that I would think of is the immobilizer bypass to remote start your car.

http://www.viper.com/P-XK02/Xpresskit+Programmable+Platform+%23+02%3a+Door+Lock+%26+Alarm+Interface

Nissan, Honda and Subaru door lock and alarm control interface.

XK02 is a programmable multi-function door lock & alarm control interface preloaded with upgradeable firmware (NISSDL) for select Nissan & Infiniti vehicles. Available firmwares for Subaru & Honda are downloadable from the web. Primary interface control functions include: door locks, factory alarm, trunk/hatch release and door pin status output (-).


Oh and the viper alarm that I'm looking at does not come with a remote start.  That's not something I'd ever really need or use.

Yeah, that's not necessary.  It's just something that makes the wiring and integration easier on our cars.  Instead of having to wire door locks, trunk releases, door pin switches, and hood pin switches seperately, this module basically is wired into your car's data cable to control everything with one wire and is then wired to your alarm system.  It's not needed, but it makes things a lot easier to install.

I checked on the Xpresskit website and the XK01 is recommended for our cars.  The XK02 won't work with our cars.  You can also use the CAN-SL2 made by Fortin Electronics.  They both do pretty much the same thing.  I've seen the Fortin products on eBay for like $30.

okay great, it's good to know its not needed.  If you buy the alarm through Viper they include free installation so I'm not going to worry about the module then.

On a side note it's kinda odd they recommend the XK01 when that's made for GMs and not the XK02 that is made for Hondas.  I thought it was just a glitch in whatever program they used to recommend the right module for your car.

It really depends on your car and what those interface modules are programmed to control.  In all honesty, it's an installers dream to use one of those.  You literally hook up one wire for the door locks, trunk release, and input triggers.  It saves a bunch of testing and wiring.

So maybe I should get one, not so much for the sake of an easy install but for less of a chance of the shop fucking up my car while installing this thing.

If they're a good shop and the installer knows what they're doing, they won't need it.  It just makes things easier for the installer.  Either way, you pay for the module or you pay for the labor rate.  If you're not doing it yourself, it's probably better to just forget the interface.

They also sell an optional auto window up accessory for $150 extra.  I wonder if that $50 auto window up thing from KP Tech would be compatible with the Viper alarm?  That would save me $100 if it does.

I'm pretty sure it's not compatible, but you never know.  I'd have to look at how the KP Technologies module works and compare it to the triggers on the alarm system.  It all depends on the installer's experience and technical abilities.  I've never used the KP Technologies window module, but I've heard that people report that it reduces the range of their OEM key fob.

I have the DEI window modules and I'm fairly happy with them.  I can vent my windows 2" or roll them all the way down with my alarm remote.  They also automatically roll up when I lock my car.  Can't ask for more than that.  BTW, those window accessories can be found on eBay for like $50 each.

Sweet!  Do you be any chance know if you have the DEI 529T or 530T window module?  On ebay the 529T is $25 while the 530T is $50.  Doesn't really say what the difference is.  

One module works for all 4 doors I assume?  I ask because all the descriptions on ebay say: "Module Controls Two Windows In Both Up and Down Directions".

The 529T will open and close 1 window.  These are usually used in an application for a sun roof.  The 530T will open and close 2 windows.  For a sedan, you will need two 530T's.

Thanks for the info. I already located someone willing to install a Remote Start capable Alarm in my car even though it is MT. So now the only thing I have to buy is the Viper 5901 Alarm? No MT Neutral Safety Switch or the Module for our cars which has been already mentioned? Thanks again for all the info. I really appreciate it. Also I went to the guy that will install it and he told me that he needed another spare key and other hardware included for the install to be completed. Is this true?

Yes.  You need an immobilizer bypass.  I would get a Fortin Electronics HONDA-SL3 (http://ifar.ca/en/vehicles/honda/accord/2003/).  It doesn't require that you bury a key in your dashboard for operation.

Thanks Tim. Is there a cheaper less advanced system available from viper or Clifford? I really don't need 1mile range. With a few feet will be perfectly fine. I really am on a budget and everything adds up little by little and I won't be able to afford the Viper 5901. I'd still like remote start to be in the features of the system but it doesn't need to have an extended range.

Most stuff made by DEI is all the same with just different names.  Shop around and you'll find something.  You may be able to get a decent price on a Viper 791XV.  I bought one brand new for $150 a few months ago for my gf's car.

Thanks Tim. That's exactly what I'm looking for. Something with all the features but not so top of the line. If anyone else has advice on any other alarm system that offers security and remote start please let me know. The range doesn't need to be extraordinary.

I own the Viper 791XV and have had it for a few years now.  I am very happy with it and would suggest anyone get it.

Hey is there any GOOD QUALITY alarm that can be adapted to use with my key fob, i just hate the idea of carrying that and another remote.

Most of the DEI stuff can be adapted to use the key fob.  It's upon the installer to do a good job.

tim, im going to install a system and wanted your opinion on the compatibility of what i had in mind. i was planning on the viper 5701 with the fortin can-sl2 and the dei 530t. would this all work together?

Yes.  Since Viper is a DEI company, the 530T will work fine with the 5701.  You will need 2 of them to control both your front and rear windows.  I have a Viper 791XV with 2 530T's and they work fine.  One piece of advice on the install is to run a 4 conductor wire (i.e. - in wall speaker wire) into your doors for the 530T's.  If you need tips and advice on placement for components of your 5701, PM me.  There are a lot of things that most people don't consider when installing security systems.  You need to make sure that your security system cannot be disabled easily by a thief.  Most people don't consider hiding the siren, alarm brain, and wiring.  They think that a security system is enough.

The Fortin Industries is also a great product.  I have heard amazing reviews from installers about any Fortin products.  I have yet to install one, but I have a Fortin DUO-CAN sitting in my tool box awaiting installation when I re-install my security system to make a few security changes and clean up the wiring.

thanks, i was only planning on one of the 530t's for my front windows, not concerned about the rear. as far as placement of the system (siren, brain, wiring), do you have any suggestions?

Here's the only reason why I would recommend using two 530T's.  The benefit of having both front and rear would be for the auto up and down (my windows automatically roll up when I lock my doors and activate my alarm), plus being able to "vent" all 4 windows at the same time and equally is also pretty cool.  I'll PM you the placement for the components.  Those are secrets that should not be public because they concern the security of your car.

understood

Tim, I will be doing this in the future when I can get my hands on some more cash, thanks for all the useful info....I'll be hitting your up for more I'm sure

Sure man.  I'm here to help.  I may be opinionated about products and work slow when I do installs, but I do things right.  Lemme know if you want me to come down and help with the install.

Cool beans!  I am leaning on doing OEM NAVI, Stock Audio upgrade (speakers & amp), and alarm probably all at once just to make it easier...

Hi EliteCM!!  Read through this whole thread.  I am planning to get either the Viper 5901 or 5902 alarm system.  Had a few questions:


Tim- Just wondering if these window features are available through the base 5901 or 5902 system?  Or whether I will need to purchase those additional DEI window module separately and wire into the Viper alarm system accordingly?  I really would like to keep the factory feature of rolling down the windows with the 2-stage remote push (and hold).  The alarm shop stated that it wasn't possible...  Just wondering what you thought  :)


I guess this ansers my question above regarding which "additional" modules would be required, but figured to ask anyway.  ???...  Does the 530T include the auto up, auto down, and vent features?

If you would, do you think you could PM me the placement of the 530T modules?  I would like to bring this info up to the alarm shop to see what they think.

Thanks Tim!!

The 530T is what controls the auto up/down and vent features.  That's it's purpose. 

I'm not sure what the shop told you, but my factory key fob rolls my windows down as well as my security system key fob with the 530T.  As far as placement for the window modules, I would put them in the dash behind the glove box.

Thanks Tim!  The shop stated that the factory fob would still control the factory window roll down feature, but I was thinking of adding that feature to the aftermarket alarm system module for added convenience.  How hard of an install is it for the DEI 530T modules to control both the front and rear windows?  The shop is charging a good chunk of change to add this feature... If it is a relatively doable install, I may add this feature later.

Or I may just use the alarm to arm/disarm and lock/unlock, then have the factory fob control the windows.  Less convenient, yes, but less costly at the same time.

I like having that feature with my security system.  The install isn't horrible, but it is a pain in the ass because you have to run wires into each door to the factory switches.

Exactly what the shop stated :)... and the reason why they are charging lots for the install...

I might have to pick up a DEI 530T  to go with my viper 5901 snice the panel has to come out anyways would be a nice feature to have

I'm thinking about the same thing Clemente for my my 5901.

Question, has anybody ever had their remote start crank & crank the starter and it the engine wouldn't start.  Did it yesterday once, scared the crap out of me. 

It can happen.  Usually in cold weather.

 yeah has happen you hear it clicking but doesn't turn over until the 2nd try Has only happen in really cold weather to me though

It's happened to me three times this week.  It's been 60-70 degrees. Taking it back on Saturday. 

-Nelson

Did you say the starter turns the motor over, but the engine doesn't fire?  Or is it like the scenario that Clemente described?

If it's what I think you described, it could be the way they wired it up and maybe even a bad relay.  If it's cranking and not starting, it may be engaging your starter solenoid, but not providing power to your other vital electronics to start your motor.  It could be a bad relay, or it could be a bad alarm module (if it has internal relays).  Bringing it back to the shop is the best thing to do Nelson.  You paid for the install, so those guys can figure it out. 

Oh, I am Tim, I spoke to them on Monday and this morning about it.  I made the appointment for this Saturday.  They said it sounds like the by-pass needs to be reprogrammed.  After the obscene amount of money I paid for this install, it better be 100% perfect.  I'll go back 20 times if I have to. LoL

The issue is the starter turns the motor over, but the engine doesn't fire.  I'd say its happened every about a 1/3 of the time I've used my car this week. 

That's kind of odd that they're blaming it on the bypass.  I guess it's possible.  If the bypass wasn't working though, why is it cranking?  If I had to go back 20 times, I sure as shit would be demanding a refund.

like tim said I dont think is the bypass i have had the same programmable bypass on on both my alarms the 5901 being the latest and never had issues with it. The starter cranks but the motor doesnt turn over with the viper and it stayes cranking so i think is a relay issues not engaging properly

I was at Billy's house and it did it again. Im not using it anymore. They better fix it or they're going to eat this alarm.

Here's an update on my 5901 issues.  The place checked everything, couldn't replicate the problem (LOL).

So they ended up reprogramming the bypass and resetting the system. He said if it happens again they'll replace the brain. So far no issues between yesterday and today.  Let's see what happens.

One good thing of the 5901 everything is in one box so its a easy swap once everything is wired up

It's actually like that with pretty much all DEI products.

Another update, the shop will be replacing the entire unit. My luck is on a roll these days.

One more update, they replaced the unit at 10:30am today, by 7:00 pm it did the same thing.  It sounds like a problem with the by-pass and immobilizer to me.  it actually happened in front of their eyes this morning so they believed me. I'll be going back again next Saturday.  They offered me $100 back due to the inconvenience. I would rather have an alarm that works. Fuck.

Last update, the issue I was having was a bad bypass.  All resolved now.

At least you got it resolved. Thanks for the update. It'll let others know should they encounter the same issue.