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Well the time has finally come for me to get this shit put in the car. HOPEFULLLYYYYYYYYYY it nets some good numbers. If i could make 170hp to the ground i will be happy...

I will be headed down to Orlando next week friday for the install. The tuning shop is only 14min away from where the install will take place so i will get the car flat bedded over to the shop. I am scheduled for the tune on Saturday morning at REAL STREET PERFORMANCE.

Here is the site so you guys can check out there work
http://realstreetperformance.com/ (http://realstreetperformance.com/)

Parts to be installed are as followed:

BrianCrower STAGE 2 (Boost/NA Street) Cams
BrianCrower  Adv. Dur.284°/284° Dur@0.050 193°/193° Lift(in).410"/.410" Lift(mm)10.41/10.41                                          
USDM K24A (Accord/CR-V) Stock Adv. Dur. 270°/276° Dur@0.050 181°/173° Lift(in).372"/.383" Lift(mm)9.45/9.73

BrianCrower DUAL SPRING
BrianCrower TITANIUM RETAINER
BrianCrower SPRING SEAT KIT

Ralco Pulleys

Car will be tuned with the AEM FIC-8

I have pics of all the stuff in my profile viewtopic.php?f=4&t=598 (http://elitecm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=598)

Wish me luck on this one. I really hope it goes well.

Why are you using the AEM FIC?

Prolly a $$$ thing!

yeah exactly that....next week will see how it runs and i will go from there

Just got off the phone wiht them and i am on the list for saturday to be Tuned

Good luck with your install and tuning.  I hope you get the numbers you're looking for.

Knoc your expecting 170whp, if it werent for the lack of Kpro id say thats low but Im just hoping you prove that the fic can be used for more than F/I on a K-series. Good luck!

Why wouldn't he be able to use the FIC on a no-FI motor?

By the way "SKIPPY" and his buddy will be doing the installation. I trust his work and judgement. Do you guys know what kinda Beer he likes

His favorite beer is Jack Daniels.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest K-Pro for your build.  Actually, I'd call you a liar if you tell me he recommended the AEM FIC over K-Pro.

Everyone knows he recommended K-Pro and as for the FIC in a NA motor, I tried it and it didnt work with mine cuz I had the 50 deg. VTC, honestly I just wanna see the amount of power he makes with it since it can only retard and cant advance timing. Either way Very excited for you Knoc!

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u beat me on the BC stage 2 cams.. lol... GL man!! I am done with my car.

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I always had them here sitting down in the house waiting to be installed. Thank you man

Just got off the phone with Real Street Performance and they are all set for me to come in on sat morning

Skippy is also ready so i am all set.

has anyone used the skunk2 stage 2 with all the valvetrain upgrade as well?

i think someone did on the old gen7accord. he felt a difference without a tune

Woosah Tim. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hibtZPMF9D0)

his car is probably dead by now... LoL without a tune the car would probably run like crap n boom. Keep up posted if you can do it Great JoB you open the door for alternative ECU.

O yeah take a lot and lots of PIX!!

pics would be all up to skippy and i wouldnt bother him to take all those pics while he is at work

i wont be there because i have to pick up my girlfriend from the airport then head to the hotel(hahahaha sounds wrong) to check in then i have to take her shopping.

yeah i havent wanted to put them on without a proper tunes cuz ive herd that it just wont right and i can blow the motor..no good!!..but gld to hear that there somethin that can b done now..so hopefully soon i can make all work.
yeah take some good picz n good luck on that build..keep us updated

Headed to skippy's Shop right now for the install

update?

Car is being worked on by skippy and his buddy(Angry Spic Performance) as we speak. I have faith in them.. Just waiting on the phone call so i can come check it out

Skip compared the Stock cams to the BrianCrower cams and said that the lobes are alot fatter and longer. i think he said the secondaries or the primaries

I was talking a little bit about this with Skippy, good luck with it sir. He definetly has done great work on my car throughout the years. His favorite beer is Corona, but he loves his Jack Daniels

hey he was talking about you too.... i think he has a 6 speed tranny waiting to go in or already put it in for you.. i cant remember  

Skippy has been real good to this build. He calld me yesterday and told me that one of the small pistons for that engages Vtec popped out and they could find it. He went home to take apart his type s head so he could replace it. Thats dedication man and really deserves a case of beer.

He should be calling me today after class about the outcome of the car. All he has left is replacing the lost piston thing and putting the the assembly that keeps the cams down back on.... then off to the tuning shop

UPDATE... Skip said the car starts fine and i was scheduled at real street performance for a tune but now they are saying that tey cant get me in and they will call me. I ARGUED on the phone saying that they could of told me this before hand...I am kinda down right now and want to know if any of you know any tuning shops in the ORLANDO area


Right now i am headed to skippy's shop to see if the car is drivable on the road because i need to get back home.  If push comes to shove i might jsut leave the car here and come back for it....

Atleast the damn install went ok. Thnk you SKIPPY and LUIS

Central Florida Turbo
http://www.tunedbycft.com/dynorates.html (http://www.tunedbycft.com/dynorates.html)

damn that sucks, i would contact aem and see who they recommend in the area for tuning. you might as well have it done by an approved shop.

THANK YOU SLIPKORD. I am in the books for sat and skippy jsut called me and he said that i can drive the car. The AEM UEGO read outs are still good. I Will be back in orlando saturday for the tune

And i will also get to the coilover install and ship them out today or tomorrow.

My friend worked for like Central Florida motorsports which was a tuning shop out not too far away from UCF. They were good people, glad at least you came to some sort of resolution with that, I know skip hates CFT

Well the car runs fine if you drive it normal and not floor it. i cant floor it for now cause i have no tune.

Brian Crower cams does need a tune because it reall runs kinda horrible going up hill from a dead stop. The car will feel like it is pulling a Truck load of bricks till it hits about 2500 then the power kicks in. I know there is something there because i can feel the car accelerate more when Vtec Kicks in. I have to let off a bit after cause my UEGO reads 13 then 12.2 and then kinda keeps dropping a bit. Wont be doing that no more.

Vtec is alot louder now. you can hear it through the intake. Intake sounds alot throaty now.

I cant wait for the tune so she could feel alot better in stop and go traffic. I did drive it on the highway and she was alright alllll the way to Tallahassee from Orlando.

No check engine light and idles fine.

I am happy with the outcome and will be even more happy when i get tuned this saturday  

Skippy also took pics of the install so look out for that

very nice on the update man. I believe the smaller lobe are like oem spec, but the Larger one has a longer duration then stock. hopefully you get it all resolved with a tune.

Skippy told me about the results of your install when I talked to him the other day.  Glad to hear it idles well.  I would recommend that you look for the guy that started Panducky Motorsports.  I know that shop closed, but the guy there is really good and local to you.

Thank you man.. Now i cant wait to see the numbers for this. I will ask around for this guy

I wonder why he doesnt like CFT?

Here's what I have heard about CFT.  They build insane cars and their shop cars are ridiculous.  Their customer cars are not.  They treat their customers like shit and don't bother to put half the effort and care into people's cars that are paying them money.

That is so dead on true its not even funny. But I think unfortunately that's the case with most shops, they'll hook up the guys who work their, the shop cars, and their "boys", but will do a half ass job on everyone else. I've witnessed this first hand

very diappointing to hear. we need someone to be the designated tuner for elitecm that way we know we are getting a quality tune.

i know.... everyone is charging about 400 for tuning the FIC. I would gladly put that in one of you guys hands if you knew what you were doing

Mase at Stage6Motorsports(Jacksonville,FL) and the rest of the FL area is great, Jason (Jdog) at Phantasm in NC, Raleigh mostly were both great tuners that I had wonderful experiences with. Jason had my car for about 12 hours of tuning, Mase about 2.

I've heard good things about Mase.  Most people up here charge around $500-$700 to tune on kpro.  Some shops charge an hourly rate, while others have a flat rate.  There are some shops where you get taken care of.  There's a shop near me that did an awesome job on my exhaust, but I was very unhappy with their tuner when he did my first tune on kpro.  I wasn't there because I had to work, but Cham was there and didn't feel that the tuner knew what he was doing.  I voiced my concerns to the shop's owner, and he made things right when I rented their dyno so Cham and I could dyno tune my car.

Update... The FIC-8 that i have wont reflash so they need to have to call AEM Tech to walk them through it... Driving to Orlando every week is kinda crazy so i am looking into alternative sources like STAGE6. CFT is kinda also giving me the run around by not calling back when they said they would. I called STAGE6 today and left a msg. Lets see if they will figure this out for me

Update on the Un-tuned CAMS
The sweet spot is at 3000rpm to all the way to the shift point. But in 2 and 3 she will start to lean out if you stay on it too long

good luck man!!

HMMMM i am always hitting a dead end. Mase is going to Canada with his car ro go race and wont be back till Oct 6 so he is out of the question for now.

CFT coudnt reflash the FIC and told me that they would have to call them to get tech support and i was able to REFLASH the damn thing in my living room. Shit like this upsets me

And you are paying them how much? CFT = noob if you can figure it out yourself. I think they should be paying you man.

I stopped calling them cause they are full of shit and i found out first hand. YEAH ITS OFFICIAL, I HATE THEM BITCHES TOO.

I talked to MASON(nice guy) about a tune but he wont be able to do it right now cause he is leaving. Tim over at flaccord.com pointed me to a site  called RACEJAX.COM   i found another reputable shop close to home in jacksonville called VELOCITY TRENDS. http://www.velocitytrends.com/index.htm (http://www.velocitytrends.com/index.htm)

They are working to get me scheduled in next tuesday so hope this falls through

I really hope you do get your car tuned very soon man. Best of luck.

i am really looking forward to the end result of this as i may go this route once i've got full bolt on's. good luck man!!

Ran the car on the highway for a bit with the pedal halfway and the car his 130 then i think the governor kicked in because she pulled back on me. but it felt like it wanted to go more because the rpms were still kinda low.

The UEGO read about 13.3 while i was doing this

Steve called me today to confirm the Tune for next Tuesday at 1pm. He also emailed me this link

http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/feat ... index.html (http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/features/htup_0804_honda_civic_eg_hatchback/index.html)

lol damn 130... fun fun. just becareful with that untuned motor man. I really want to see what ur baby put down after a tune. Have that dyno sheet ready for us ^^

130 with the pedal half way? how quickly did it make it to 130?

i wasnt really paying attention to it but i will time it when i get tuned... I really want to know what the actually speed governor is on our cars and if it could be taken off cause i feel like i have more

Wow man!  You're driving 130 in an untuned car!!  You can't take off the governor from our cars though.

lol i dont think you should take it off. no need to be doing 130mph on a regular highway. but yeah doing that on an untuned engine could have ended bad.

+1 its an accord not a corvette lol but glad to hear that your car is turning out nicely.

yeah i know it was bad to do it but didnt floor it and the UEGO was at  13.3

and yeah your right 130mph is very much enough.

130 mph on public roads is also dangerous.  You could have killed someone.

I did 130mph over the bridge here in Charleston, my car only thought it was going 100 though

I had a girl in the car, it was 1am, forgive me for I like women clutching my arm going 130, windows down in the pitch black :)

There was no cars on the road

Got a call from Velocity Trends this morning moving the tune to thursday because of a broken wideband for his dyno.

Steve Soto called and told me that he ordered a new one and expidited the shipment of the wideband jsut for me to get tuned. He also asked me about the stuff i did to my car so that he could build a map for the car. Even though the date is pushed back i am happy that he actually called to give me a update instead of playing me for a fool like the other shops. He also pmed me on racejax.com saying that he lost my number but got it form someone on the site. Thats dedication!

That's good to hear Sean. I'm looking forward to your dyno chart to see what kind of power you're putting down.

this is turning out really good. Can't wait to see the power u put down thursday.

The car feel alot better now and any throttle position.

Some Problems that restricted power is the exhaust and the F-IC itself because it can only retard time and the Automatic tranny.

Numebers are 154WHP and 145WTHQ. not the numbers i was hoping for but if the F-IC could have advanced timing the numbers will go up more.

Velocity Trend Guestimated that the motor makes about 180hp now

i have to scan in the sheet so that you see the dyno

dang I was hoping u bust 160-170whp. anyways the car faster then stock its just that the AT is holding it back.

that and the timing. Exhaust is going to be fixed this week. Steve asked me if i ever looked into the Greddy E-Manage Ultimate for time advancement. The tuner also told me that the car wants to make more but the FIC is holding back being that it cant advance the timing. He also told me that 160whp to 170whp is very much possible with the cams.   My first run was 137whp 130wthq

I would say that emanage would be a step backwards from the FIC.  You sure you don't want to give kpro a try?

Skip advised me to go manual first befor trying k pro. So i will start from there.

The guy that tuned the car was called in by Steve Soto as a favor to tune my car. He is a pit crew chief for a NHRA TEAM. He made the throtttle response reallly great at every point.

Right now i am going to source out parts for a manual swap because the engine feel so good but the tranny isnt putting it to the wheels

If you need a transmission, Skippy has 2 sitting in his garage for sale.  I'd talk to neoryan about running kpro on an AT.  I'm like 99% sure he has an AT and he's been running kpro longer than I have.

GL on the swap now. Its a never ending story of mod. lol Mt then K pro should get you up to where u want to be. Get a 6spd it makes driving more fun.

going to fix the exhaust and see what happens there first. They advised me to do that first

nice numbers! i could see the trans holding you back a bit. i would assume that if you did the exhaust, and trans swap you'd be in the 160 range. maybe even 170. then even higher with K-Pro!

btw di you have a stock exhaust?

Are you NUTS? Not to mention on an untuned motor.  Dude why do you have to go and do something that dumb? You're so much better than that.

13.3 is leaner than you should be, which is expected.  You should be a full point lower...Not like you're pushing 15 or something crazy like that but... please don't do something to get your license ripped...

What are we talking about here? the 130 mph, cuz I dont believe that on a stock k24 MT at WOT much less an untuned k24 with aftermarket valvetrain, and dont you mean rich Skip? Especially at only part throttle?

and how far do you think his pedal was down to hold 130? Skippy thinks pretty much WOT....in which case he would be running lean at 13.3.

The only time you should be able to definitely read a UEGO is at WOT, that's the only time you can get a steady reading without much fluctuation.  If he plainly saw 13.3, he was at WOT.  If it was fluctuating too much, he would have had to say he saw 13.3 as an average.

Stock K24A4's run close to 12.6 at WOT with a small variance.

Hondata says that on NA cars WOT should be tuned to 13.2 area for best performance.

And yes I have Kpro on my auto for the past 2 years. It would be awesome if could use Kpro Sean. Definately up near the 200Hp because with bolt ons on a NA accord nets 160HP/TQ.

I believe the ideal AF ratio is actually 12.2 WOT, from my research on Hondata.  I'd have to look into that again, but 13.2 seems kinda lean to me.  Do you have a link to that article Ryan?

12.2 at WOT is pretty much what had befroe the cam install

http://www.pencomputing.com/rsx/The_Hondata_KPro103.htm (http://www.pencomputing.com/rsx/The_Hondata_KPro103.htm)

Look in sections: 3.3.1,  7.2

Also go to the hondata website. In the search box towards bottom left hand side enter "video" Its stated there as well. I cant view any of the videos at the moment so you'd have to browse through them to find it.

WOW ok so i got the new exhaust on. None restictive too. The guy welded on a 2.25" flex pipe cause he saw how restrictive the small one was. He fabed up a Y-pipe this time too.

I will need to dyno again cause the car pulls alot more. When the car changes gears you can feel the car pull. The owner told me that with a new exhaust it will make even more power. I give you my word that it feels like i gained an extra 5 to 10hp. The car feels so different now and pulls. I will need a new tune for the open exhaust too  

BrianCrower Works damn great now

Gotcha on the air fuel ratio.  I was giving you wrong information based on the fact that you were talking about a n/a build, and all of my research is for f/i.

Hey so the BrianCrowers feel alot better now since the exhaust was redid now i  am looking for someone do a skunk2 set up so we can compare.

The Briancrowers are not at the fullest right now because i cant advance the ignition and something else(cant think about it right now) so i know there is more power to be made.

TRUST ME you guys wont be disappointed with these parts.
The car makes power at 3000rpm then really kicks in at 5000(i dont know if that is wierd or not). Too bad the engine only revs to 6500rpm

Mine goes up to 7000.  Hopefully all the bugs can be worked out with the AT kpro harness so you can make more power.

your thinking about about VTC, that controls the cam angles for optimum power all the time

so how much did this whole thing cost?

Sorry for not replying to you but lets see
575 for the brian crower kit
500 for the F/IC
180 for the harness
300 for the install
385 for the tune

I recently inquired to a company called Engine and Transmission World and they have a full 2005 Acura TSX Engine, Ecm, Engine Harness, 6speed Tranny, Axles and manifolds in stock. Engine have under 22000 miles on it and cost 1995 shipped to my house.

I am graduating so its either this project of A trade in for a Caliber SRT-4 (i am sorry but i love it but flaming is welcome it still wont change my thought)

any possibility that the dyno graph be posted?  :)

I think it's already been parted out and sold.

Yeah its been sent to the Caribbean and sold for $15,500 so i was happy about that. Was sad to see it go though. The dealers in the US wanted to give me 9k for it. Shipping and insurance cost me 2k. In the end it all came out good. Now i am in the market for a new car.